Russell Brand (3 Viewers)

[Macca]

Beverly Turner recons its all about his stance on covid conspiracies. She’s made a complete arse of herself this afternoon, even by her standards.

Absolute loon she is backed by thirsty middle aged men who think she’s going to shag them

 

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[Flying Fokker]

Ive just been through false allegations. It’s fucking horrible and one of the worst experiences. I’ve still got a brain and can see when someone is clearly abusive though. And I also know people who were raped (multiple sadly) and that my discomfort was still nothing compared to what they went through.

grow up.

Yikes, difficult times. It takes a lot of resilience to face any form of accusations.

 

[Ian1779]

These of course were your Tory voting days Ian

To be fair in 2015 I couldn’t vote for a Labour candidate as the fucker got banned a few days before for corruption.

Had to go Green

 

[rob9872]

Absolutely fair point mate. Tate is preying on misguided and unfortunate young men too. For his own personal profit.

I'm not sure that any of these conspiracy nutters or incel advocates actually believe what they say, but they know they've got a ready market in people who need to blame their own failures on something/someone else, and that there's money to be made from it. It's a tale as old as time, to coin a phrase.

It's hard for young men growing up now. I remember how utterly useless I was around girls, which was painful enough at the time, but at least I didn't have access to some lethally stupid arsehole telling me it was all their fault. I guess I might have fallen for it, especially if some of my mates had too...

Anyway, I'm not really a "hanging's too good for 'em" type, but Tate needs a good long stretch out of the public eye - he's a genuine menace.

I think it's easier now. I needed about 10 pints of Dutch courage first so I could handle the rejection, now they just keep swiping until someone says yes without any shame or all of your mates knowing you've been blown out!

 

[Macca]

What I don't get about the people hurling themselves behind him in support and claiming it's a media conspiracy, calling him a hero and blah blah, even though he's on the same political or tinfoil side as them surely they must consider the possibility that he may have actually done the things he's accused of.

I’ve no idea whether he’s innocent or guilty but I’m sure as hell not going to defend him cos he understands dat it was convid

 

[Grendel]

What I don't get about the people hurling themselves behind him in support and claiming it's a media conspiracy, calling him a hero and blah blah, even though he's on the same political or tinfoil side as them surely they must consider the possibility that he may have actually done the things he's accused of.

I do think if I’m trying to be charitable to Beverley Turner Covid did turn her from an irritating individual with little talent to a total mentalist

 

[Grendel]

Absolute loon she is backed by thirsty middle aged men who think she’s going to shag them

Well tony seems to be watching her

 

[Macca]

What I don't get about the people hurling themselves behind him in support and claiming it's a media conspiracy, calling him a hero and blah blah, even though he's on the same political or tinfoil side as them surely they must consider the possibility that he may have actually done the things he's accused of.

Usually the same people that wanted Schofield hung

 

[rob9872]

What I don't get about the people hurling themselves behind him in support and claiming it's a media conspiracy, calling him a hero and blah blah, even though he's on the same political or tinfoil side as them surely they must consider the possibility that he may have actually done the things he's accused of.

He might well have done them and nobody should be defending him. Equally he might not have, we don't have the facts nor should we. What everyone is entitled to including an obnoxious git like Brand is a fair trial and I don't see how he gets one with everything so public, it's hard not to be influenced and remain impartial if selected for that jury.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

It was said that he stole Paul Foot's act - wonder how Paul Foot feels about that claim just atm!

 

[rob9872]

Paul Foot is about as funny as a male Miranda

 

[Ian1779]

Paul Foot is about as funny as a male Miranda

But he’s got better hair.

 

[SBT]

we don't have the facts nor should we

Why not?

 

[duffer]

He might well have done them and nobody should be defending him. Equally he might not have, we don't have the facts nor should we. What everyone is entitled to including an obnoxious git like Brand is a fair trial and I don't see how he gets one with everything so public, it's hard not to be influenced and remain impartial if selected for that jury.

That's not an unreasonable point mate, (much as it pains me to say it).

I think the counter argument is that this never gets to trial without the press bringing it to light, and as a result justice is never served either way. And of course, potentially the list of victims continues to grow...

The evidence seems reasonably well gathered and considered, and he's had the chance to reply directly before its release or refute via defamation proceedings or court injunctions.

It's not black and white, but on balance I'd much rather it was in the public domain than it wasn't.

The very thing that makes it newsworthy, his fame and power, is exactly the reason why his victims haven't felt able to come forward.

I think he'll get a fair trial, if it ever comes to trial. The conviction rate for these offences is dreadful, even when the victims are willing to put themselves through the ordeal of cross-examination and having their own personal lives pulled apart.

Appreciate we differ, and don't think it's down to our politics this time!

 

[ajsccfc]

He might well have done them and nobody should be defending him. Equally he might not have, we don't have the facts nor should we. What everyone is entitled to including an obnoxious git like Brand is a fair trial and I don't see how he gets one with everything so public, it's hard not to be influenced and remain impartial if selected for that jury.

I suppose that's the nature of celebrity in a judicial setting, either people are aware of the case or otherwise aware of the person and a jury would have to be selected in good faith to look just at the case presented to them. Can't imagine that's an easy task for any case of sexual allegations, much less one so high profile

 

[napolimp]

I wouldn't recommend going out and taking photos of kids if I were you.

#napolimp would have you hung drawn and quartered as a peado.

#napolimp? This isn't Twitter dumbass.

I've also never used the word "peado" on this forum, you must have me confused with someone else.

 

[Grendel]

It seems even Peter Hitchens received advances from Russell Brand

PETER HITCHENS: Why was Russell Brand given place in national debate?

PETER HITCHENS: I'll never forget the night Russell Brand offered to kiss me. He had been busy losing an argument about drugs on the BBC Newsnight programme, back in 2012.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Finham]

Yup and you know there will be others too. Maybe this will open another can of worms.

One person I always expect to hear stories come out about is David Walliams.

May be nothing in it at all, but have always felt there is something off about him.

He has just always given me the creeps.

When you look back at how Brand was back then, it does all make perfect sense doesn't it. All in plain sight, just as with Savile.

Read a lot of allegations against Walliams on Reddit in the Brand threads-people used exactly the same phrasing as you. But also Noel Fielding, Stephen K. Amos and also, possibly most surprisingly, David Jason. Although it is Reddit, so a huge pinch of salt is required.

 

[Finham]

Beverly Turner recons its all about his stance on covid conspiracies. She’s made a complete arse of herself this afternoon, even by her standards.

The comments underneath that are for the most part very disturbing, championing Turner and Brand vigorously. I only use Youtube for things like music, but even so I had noticed that the comments had got a bit weird lately-very aggressive, mocking, insane..something that has grown over the last 3-5 years. It used to be a place where you could just enjoy stuff you liked. Maybe it's since Covid/lockdown? Have the nutters got Youtube now?

I actually have a problem with the non-"mainstream media". They seem to be held to a totally different standard-certainly legally-and have totally different moral spectrum to the "mainstream media". Pretty much everyone in the "real world" has dropped Brand-at least in the short term-whilst investigations are carried out at least. It's almost unanimously seen as the right thing to do given the nature of the allegations. Whereas in the online universe, there is not only no whiff of doing that, but rather you get people like Musk backing him to the hilt and he doubles down on everything with a conspiracy theory-because he knows his audience, this is exactly what they think anyway, and nobody is going to cancel him online, God forbid!

The internet should have the same moral and legal standards as the rest of society but that horse seems to have bolted: we didn't sort it out when it was new, now it is too powerful.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The comments underneath that are for the most part very disturbing, championing Turner and Brand vigorously. I only use Youtube for things like music, but even so I had noticed that the comments had got a bit weird lately-very aggressive, mocking, insane..something that has grown over the last 3-5 years. It used to be a place where you could just enjoy stuff you liked. Maybe it's since Covid/lockdown? Have the nutters got Youtube now?

I actually have a problem with the non-"mainstream media". They seem to be held to a totally different standard-certainly legally-and have totally different moral spectrum to the "mainstream media". Pretty much everyone in the "real world" has dropped Brand-at least in the short term-whilst investigations are carried out at least. It's almost unanimously seen as the right thing to do given the nature of the allegations. Whereas in the online universe, there is not only no whiff of doing that, but rather you get people like Musk backing him to the hilt and he doubles down on everything with a conspiracy theory-because he knows his audience, this is exactly what they think anyway, and nobody is going to cancel him online, God forbid!

The internet should have the same moral and legal standards as the rest of society but that horse seems to have bolted: we didn't sort it out when it was new, now it is too powerful.

She looks like a cheap Julia Hartley-Brewer impersonator, who herself is pretty odious.

 

[rob9872]

The internet should have the same moral and legal standards as the rest of society but that horse seems to have bolted: we didn't sort it out when it was new, now it is too powerful.

Legal, absolutely. Moral, not a chance in hell.

 

[clint van damme]

Read a lot of allegations against Walliams on Reddit in the Brand threads-people used exactly the same phrasing as you. But also Noel Fielding, Stephen K. Amos and also, possibly most surprisingly, David Jason. Although it is Reddit, so a huge pinch of salt is required.

There's a very serious allegation against Stephen K Amos and the young man involved took his own life.

 

[shmmeee]

The comments underneath that are for the most part very disturbing, championing Turner and Brand vigorously. I only use Youtube for things like music, but even so I had noticed that the comments had got a bit weird lately-very aggressive, mocking, insane..something that has grown over the last 3-5 years. It used to be a place where you could just enjoy stuff you liked. Maybe it's since Covid/lockdown? Have the nutters got Youtube now?

I actually have a problem with the non-"mainstream media". They seem to be held to a totally different standard-certainly legally-and have totally different moral spectrum to the "mainstream media". Pretty much everyone in the "real world" has dropped Brand-at least in the short term-whilst investigations are carried out at least. It's almost unanimously seen as the right thing to do given the nature of the allegations. Whereas in the online universe, there is not only no whiff of doing that, but rather you get people like Musk backing him to the hilt and he doubles down on everything with a conspiracy theory-because he knows his audience, this is exactly what they think anyway, and nobody is going to cancel him online, God forbid!

The internet should have the same moral and legal standards as the rest of society but that horse seems to have bolted: we didn't sort it out when it was new, now it is too powerful.

The internet does have the same moral standards as the rest of society. It just doesn’t have the family friendly, acceptable moral standards of the law and broadcast media.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The comments underneath that are for the most part very disturbing, championing Turner and Brand vigorously. I only use Youtube for things like music, but even so I had noticed that the comments had got a bit weird lately-very aggressive, mocking, insane..something that has grown over the last 3-5 years. It used to be a place where you could just enjoy stuff you liked. Maybe it's since Covid/lockdown? Have the nutters got Youtube now?

I actually have a problem with the non-"mainstream media". They seem to be held to a totally different standard-certainly legally-and have totally different moral spectrum to the "mainstream media". Pretty much everyone in the "real world" has dropped Brand-at least in the short term-whilst investigations are carried out at least. It's almost unanimously seen as the right thing to do given the nature of the allegations. Whereas in the online universe, there is not only no whiff of doing that, but rather you get people like Musk backing him to the hilt and he doubles down on everything with a conspiracy theory-because he knows his audience, this is exactly what they think anyway, and nobody is going to cancel him online, God forbid!

The internet should have the same moral and legal standards as the rest of society but that horse seems to have bolted: we didn't sort it out when it was new, now it is too powerful.

The additional problem is due to the algorithms people probably only hear/see views that they already share, reinforcing what they already believe. Basically echo chambers.

Balanced, critical thinking has long gone which is why we have such polarisation of strongly held views now.

 

[shmmeee]

The additional problem is due to the algorithms people probably only hear/see views that they already share, reinforcing what they already believe. Basically echo chambers.

Balanced, critical thinking has long gone which is why we have such polarisation of strongly held views now.

Just what an evil Tory would say

 

[tisza]

Not up on the exact details of this Brand affair but don't these historical accusations/ cases basically come down to the verbal evidence of the parties involved rather than like a current case that would have more physical evidence etc? Mendy was bang to rights according to the media for years but managed to "get away" with it for these reasons.

 

[shmmeee]

Not up on the exact details of this Brand affair but don't these historical accusations/ cases basically come down to the verbal evidence of the parties involved rather than like a current case that would have more physical evidence etc? Mendy was bang to rights according to the media for years but managed to "get away" with it for these reasons.

There’s text and witness evidence as well as I think a visit to a rape centre. So hopefully enough to hang something on.

 

[duffer]

Not up on the exact details of this Brand affair but don't these historical accusations/ cases basically come down to the verbal evidence of the parties involved rather than like a current case that would have more physical evidence etc? Mendy was bang to rights according to the media for years but managed to "get away" with it for these reasons.

From what I recall, at least one of the parties produced written evidence that she'd attended a rape clinic (for want of a better phrase) after the assault, and had been prescribed a prophylactic (morning after pill) and a course of antibiotics.

From memory, she said in that written statement that she was too scared to report the matter to police, given Brand's fame.

Now if that was put into the hands of the police it might be interesting, but I think this was in the US rather than here.

 

[shmmeee]

From what I recall, at least one of the parties produced written evidence that she'd attended a rape clinic (for want of a better phrase) after the assault, and had been prescribed a prophylactic (morning after pill) and a course of antibiotics.

From memory, she said in that written statement that she was too scared to report the matter to police, given Brand's fame.

Now if that was put into the hands of the police it might be interesting, but I think this was in the US rather than here.

I wonder if that’s just standard practice or that means there was “evidence” left behind that hopefully they sampled.

 

[duffer]

I wonder if that’s just standard practice or that means there was “evidence” left behind that hopefully they sampled.

Indeed. Either way, if true, it's typically not the behaviour of someone who had had "consensual" sex.

 

[Grendel]

She looks like a cheap Julia Hartley-Brewer impersonator, who herself is pretty odious.

She’s more attractive and is really only known as she’s the ex wife of an Olympian

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

She’s more attractive and is really only known as she’s the ex wife of an Olympian

Well both are mostly hired for being female and willing to espouse right wing nonsense

 

[Grendel]

Well both are mostly hired for being female and willing to espouse right wing nonsense

She never used to she presented some Five Live thing and did cooking and travel shows - was totally mainstream and bland pre Covid

 

[shmmeee]

She never used to she presented some Five Live thing and did cooking and travel shows - was totally mainstream and bland pre Covid

Think we all know one or two like that.

 

[Finham]

There's a very serious allegation against Stephen K Amos and the young man involved took his own life.

Yeah been rumbling for some time that one.