USSR invades Ukraine. (104 Viewers)

Sick Boy

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The population of Ukraine is overwhelmingly against ceding any territory to Russia as part of any peace talks.
Of course they’re going to be but if/when funding and weapons stop, they’re not going to have much choice. At this point it’s almost inevitable that Trump will get back in the White House.
 

skyblueelephant76

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Of course they’re going to be but if/when funding and weapons stop, they’re not going to have much choice. At this point it’s almost inevitable that Trump will get back in the White House.
The polls in the US are still fairly close, I wouldn't say it's inevitable.
 

Grendel

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The polls in the US are still fairly close, I wouldn't say it's inevitable.

It isn’t but ukraines desire to regain Crimea is for the birds and in the end it becomes what is a victory
 

skyblueelephant76

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It isn’t but ukraines desire to regain Crimea is for the birds and in the end it becomes what is a victory
The Ukrainians believe that if they give up any territory now it will just give Putin the green light to take more in the future.

It's only going to happen as last resort.
 

SIR ERNIE

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skyblueelephant76

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PVA

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Madness. Biden regime/NATO consider agreeing to Ukraine using long range missiles into Russian territory.


Nato have already said yes, it's the US that have so far refused.

Should have been done a long time ago.
 

fatso

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About time.
Yea. About time we escalated the totaly shit situation a bit further towards WW3, I mean who wants to live anyway?

Wtf do you think Russia will do? Just sit back and take it, or could they seek to destroy rocket supplies with one of the tactical Nucs they've deployed to the front?

Any one who thinks launching long range rockets into Russia is a cool idea needs to give their head a wobble.

And what next, a NATO air strike on Moscow perhaps?
 
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PVA

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Again not independently verified.

How exactly are you wanting/expecting these figures to be 'independently verified'? Just send some independent verifiers into the middle of a war zone yeah?

You were crying about Ukrainian numbers and now apparently UK numbers are made up too.
 

Grendel

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How exactly are you wanting/expecting these figures to be 'independently verified'? Just send some independent verifiers into the middle of a war zone yeah?

You were crying about Ukrainian numbers and now apparently UK numbers are made up too.

in hardly crying just saying there are no official numbers from either side.

 

Sick Boy

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In reality both sides will have suffered heavy losses. Unlike Russia, Ukraine is going to find it harder and harder to replenish the frontline.
 

PVA

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Wtf do you think Russia will do? Just sit back and take it, or could they seek to destroy rocket supplies with one of the tactical Nucs they've deployed to the front?

This makes no sense.

So they're only going to destroy enemy rocket supplies if they're used inside Russia, otherwise they'll just let them sit there?
 

PVA

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in hardly crying just saying there are no official numbers from either side.


Of course there aren't any 'official' numbers.

But I'd say that UK and US intelligence is likely to have more information than Channel 4 Fact Check, wouldn't you?
 

fatso

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This makes no sense.

So they're only going to destroy enemy rocket supplies if they're used inside Russia, otherwise they'll just let them sit there?
No, ffs, let me spell it out for you.

When the rockets arrive in Ukrain, Russia will destroy them, before they can be fired Into Russia.

They'll end up going the same way as all the tanks NATO sent.
 
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PVA

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No, ffs, let me spell it out for you.

When the rockets arrive in Ukrain, Russia will destroy them, before they can be fired Into Russia.

They'll end up going the same way as all the tanks NATO sent.

Ummm the rockets have always been there, and have been used, they just haven't had permission to launch them into Russia.
 

Grendel

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Of course there aren't any 'official' numbers.

But I'd say that UK and US intelligence is likely to have more information than Channel 4 Fact Check, wouldn't you?

Well no as they want to cause mischief regarding the proxy war and spread misinformation. I do keep telling you we haven’t seen anything like this since the Cold War.
 

PVA

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Well no as they want to cause mischief regarding the proxy war and spread misinformation. I do keep telling you we haven’t seen anything like this since the Cold War.

US intelligence has the same level of information as C4 Fact Check?

Hahaha. Incredible.

You might have finally jumped the shark.
 

Grendel

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US intelligence has the same level of information as C4 Fact Check?

Hahaha. Incredible.

You might have finally jumped the shark.

The fact you constantly believe propaganda is fascinating yet accuse others of the same.

The fact you trust a brutal military regime like the US is actually disturbing.
 

PVA

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The fact you constantly believe propaganda is fascinating yet accuse others of the same.

The fact you trust a brutal military regime like the US is actually disturbing.

So the only true and valuable information source in the entire world is Helen Johnson of C4 Fact Check?

How can we ever believe anything ever again unless it comes from the pen of Ms Johnson ☹️

Face it, you were crying about numbers coming from Ukraine and now they've been backed up by similar numbers from other sources you've decided that actually we cant trust anyone. Because C4 said so.

Clearly US intelligence has a very close ear to the ground and will have unbelievable amounts of intelligence and data. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.
 

skybluetony176

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How would I know Tony? I’m sure a friend on the battlefield has told you though and you are checking notes.
Okay. So numerous reliable sources are coming up with the same ballpoint numbers on Russian casualties and you instantly dismiss them because how would you know.

Let’s try this one then. Who are you expecting to Independently verify them exactly if not the numerous, reliable and independent sources that have already verified them?
 

skyblueelephant76

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Yea. About time we escalated the totaly shit situation a bit further towards WW3, I mean who wants to live anyway?

Wtf do you think Russia will do? Just sit back and take it, or could they seek to destroy rocket supplies with one of the tactical Nucs they've deployed to the front?

Any one who thinks launching long range rockets into Russia is a cool idea needs to give their head a wobble.

And what next, a NATO air strike on Moscow perhaps?
Ukraine has every right to go after military targets inside Russia, the ones that are constantly targeting civilians and killing innocent Ukrainians.
 

Skybluekyle

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The fact you constantly believe propaganda is fascinating yet accuse others of the same.

The fact you trust a brutal military regime like the US is actually disturbing.
The fact you call the US a brutal military regime is actually disturbing. Their leader doesn't even know what day it is
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Yea. About time we escalated the totaly shit situation a bit further towards WW3, I mean who wants to live anyway?

Wtf do you think Russia will do? Just sit back and take it, or could they seek to destroy rocket supplies with one of the tactical Nucs they've deployed to the front?

Any one who thinks launching long range rockets into Russia is a cool idea needs to give their head a wobble.

And what next, a NATO air strike on Moscow perhaps?
I hate the term " tactical" nuclear weapon ; as if it's a small precise thing that will just destroy a precise target and not cause mass loss of life.
The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be considered " tactical" in terms of destructive power by today's standards. Yet somehow calling them "tactical" by the military fills us all with a sense of restraint.
 

Evo1883

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The fact you call the US a brutal military regime is actually disturbing. Their leader doesn't even know what day it is
In fairness the USA are responsible for more war crimes and for backing genocidal regimes in the last 80 years than probably any major military on earth , they are by the very definition a brutal regime , masquerading as the world's police
 

Skybluekyle

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In fairness the USA are responsible for more war crimes and for backing genocidal regimes in the last 80 years than probably any major military on earth , they are by the very definition a brutal regime , masquerading as the world's police
Name a genocide the US has been in favour of
 

Evo1883

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You think the US is actually giving its full backing, really? Even in Ukraine it's fucking things

The USA are backing these wars , and are also Israels greatest ally , they could stop that war tonight if they decided too
 

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