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[Grendel]

Amazing that Nick has more sympathy for those poor unfortunate parents who now have to pay VAT on school fees than on parents who can barely afford to feed their kids

He has not said that but it might get a couple of likes?

 

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[PVA]

He has not said that but it might get a couple of likes?

 

[shmmeee]

It’s Scottish. Not at all random.

Was how my grandad from Glasgow ate his.

 

[shmmeee]

Is it about a perceived underclass? Or a “nanny state knows best“ approach. Will be interesting when it all goes horribly wrong and some children have suffered harm how Starmer will wriggle and say that he won’t be lectured to by the likes of us.

It has just occurred to me that, because he is such a poor speaker with no apparent warmth or emotional intelligence, I can’t even refer to him as Sir Keir Smarmer no matter how much I want to.

I joke about Starmer Derangement Syndrome but you’re taking it to whole new levels.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Venn diagram of "cut all benefits" and "stop nanny state interventions"?

 

[shmmeee]

Kemi Badenoch is impressively bad. Saying you want to means test the state pension when half your vote are pensioners is a choice.

 

[MalcSB]

Kid Harmer other point is that Thatcher really took more away than just Milk which even I missed as I'm sure you would have, then we get sure start with the last lab govt and the Tories talking of doing similar at the end of term

Death on the other hand has grown into a monster industry it seems from my memories , sophisticated drawn and expensive!

I didn’t miss the milk when it had been left too near the radiators and had gone sour. Which was quite. Lot of the time.

 

[wingy]

I didn’t miss the milk when it had been left too near the radiators and had gone sour. Which was quite. Lot of the time.

Oh we never had that trouble or the monitors got the sack! Teacher waa quite rigid about that,store it in cool place and all that.

 

[MalcSB]

Kemi Badenoch is impressively bad. Saying you want to means test the state pension when half your vote are pensioners is a choice.

Well, the suggestion isn’t to means test the whole pension but rather the triple lock oart of it. And isn’t it better to. be upfront about it rather than lying and misleading about the WFA as Labour in general and Starmer in particular did?

The triple lock needs to be reviewed. Starting a discussion this early means even Labour should be able to come to some clarity by the next election. The electorate would then have a choice between a number of clear, well defined proposals.

No Ming vases required.

 

[MalcSB]

Oh we never had that trouble or the monitors got the sack! Teacher waa quite rigid about that,store it in cool place and all that.

Great way of getting out of monitor duty?

 

[MalcSB]

I joke about Starmer Derangement Syndrome but you’re taking it to whole new levels.

I simply cant stand the man.

I doubt you are shocked by that.

 

[shmmeee]

Well, the suggestion isn’t to means test the whole pension but rather the triple lock oart of it. And isn’t it better to. be upfront about it rather than lying and misleading about the WFA as Labour in general and Starmer in particular did?

The triple lock needs to be reviewed. Starting a discussion this early means even Labour should be able to come to some clarity by the next election. The electorate would then have a choice between a number of clear, well defined proposals.

No Ming vases required.

How do you means test just the increase? You freeze the rest?

Very funny that now you’re all for cuts to pensioner benefits though. Super on brand.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Oh we never had that trouble or the monitors got the sack! Teacher waa quite rigid about that,store it in cool place and all that.

Under Thatcher in 1980s our school radiators were never on!

 

[wingy]

Under Thatcher in 1980s our school radiators were never on!

Ours was mostly modern 50-60'construction with the main part a bit more ancient than that but managed to function alright, quite idyllic really.

 

[MalcSB]

How do you means test just the increase? You freeze the rest?

Very funny that now you’re all for cuts to pensioner benefits though. Super on brand.

I didn’t say I was for cuts to pensioner benefits, I said that the triple lock needs to be reviewed. I understood that all parties realise this.

Im surprised you are making so much of this, given it’s the tories who have opened the debate. Is it that you are worried that the process of coming to a policy will show Labours true colours and just how fucking shit Starmer, Reeves and Rayner really are? Or is it the principle of the opposition grabbing hold of an agenda rather than the landslide majority government having done so?

I have no idea how you means test the triple lock, but you are probably correct. Freeze the rest. How pensioners feel about it will depend on what the notional savings are used for. Go to universal free social care at last may be well received. Set up another 20 Quangos probably not so.

 

[MalcSB]

Kemi Badenoch is impressively bad. Saying you want to means test the state pension when half your vote are pensioners is a choice.

Suggesting you don’t intend to cut WFA was a lie.

 

[MalcSB]

I joke about Starmer Derangement Syndrome but you’re taking it to whole new levels.

I’m being driven to those levels.

 

[dutchman]

I didn’t miss the milk when it had been left too near the radiators and had gone sour. Which was quite. Lot of the time.

Ours was left outside to freeze in winter while in summer the birds pecked at half the foil tops and shit all over the others!

 

[CovValleyBoy]

We need to pay a lot more for our milk & indeed other dairy products.
Support our GB Farmers.

 

[MalcSB]

We need to pay a lot more for our milk & indeed other dairy products.
Support our GB Farmers.

Especially with the increases in minimum wage, employers NI and the IHT changes.

 

[CovValleyBoy]

The order to fields & hedgerows the farming community create.
The beautiful British countryside. There for everyone to enjoy & only a short drive away for most.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Especially with the increases in minimum wage, employers NI and the IHT changes.

Iht does not affect the day to day running of a commercial dairy farm. If it did, if anything the argument is that you want to suppress the value of the farm so that it its liability is reduced.

 

[shmmeee]

Suggesting you don’t intend to cut WFA was a lie.

Hiding billions in spending is a lie. Saying you don’t intend to do something then having to do it is changing plans.

 

[shmmeee]

I’m being driven to those levels.

Then stop the car cos you’re driving yourself. In recent days the things you’ve invented to give yourself an excuse to be angry have been ridiculous.

 

[MalcSB]

The order to fields & hedgerows the farming community create.
The beautiful British countryside. There for everyone to enjoy & only a short drive away for most.

Soon to be covered in houses.

 

[MalcSB]

Then stop the car cos you’re driving yourself. In recent days the things you’ve invented to give yourself an excuse to be angry have been ridiculous.

TBH it’s a combination of Starmer and you that are driving me further and further in my hatred Of this government.

 

[MalcSB]

Hiding billions in spending is a lie. Saying you don’t intend to do something then having to do it is changing plans.

How many billion, the number seems to fluctuate according to the sound bite needs of the day. The OBR didn’t support the £44bn initially quoted.

All the financials were available to Labour in opposition. Surely a decent economist would have spotted a “black hole” of any significance enabling plans to be changed before the election such that it wouldn’t have come as a shock and been generally opposed by Labour MPs, party members and the party’s paymasters - the unions.

Having said that, a retail banking customer services manager might have struggled a bit.

 

[PVA]

Soon to be covered in houses.

63% of land in England is used for agriculture.

1% is used for housing.


So I'd say 'soon' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

 

[shmmeee]

How many billion, the number seems to fluctuate according to the sound bite needs of the day. The OBR didn’t support the £44bn initially quoted.

All the financials were available to Labour in opposition. Surely a decent economist would have spotted a “black hole” of any significance enabling plans to be changed before the election such that it wouldn’t have come as a shock and been generally opposed by Labour MPs, party members and the party’s paymasters - the unions.

Having said that, a retail banking customer services manager might have struggled a bit.

£44bn now!

Is Labour right to claim there’s a £22 billion ‘black hole’ in the public finances? - Full Fact

It’s been a key government claim since the election and featured heavily in the Budget - but what does it actually mean?

fullfact.org

 

[shmmeee]

63% of land in England is used for agriculture.

1% is used for housing.


So I'd say 'soon' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Malc being ridiculous to justify his continued grumpiness? Never!

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

I’m being driven to those levels.

..and embarrasingly making yourself seem reactionary and utterly irrational. Forum generally respects anyone having impartial analysis and interrogation of their approach, (although should be obvioudly caveated after only a few months in power), but you are not looking at their progress impartially as your sources for research/evidence is incredibly dodgy and makes you a bit of a laughing stock on here. Shame as you come across on some threads sometimes as well rounded and fair... but certainly not this one.

 

[CovValleyBoy]

TBH it’s a

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Ignore Malc. Its a form of bullying you are receiving. Relentless.

 

[chiefdave]

I didn’t say I was for cuts to pensioner benefits

Fucking hell, there's been multiple posts daily about killing off pensioners by making the WFA means tested but you've got no problem with the triple lock being means tested