Do you want to discuss boring politics? (80 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

I just find it tiresome when people usually on the left pretend British culture doesn’t exist but every other country’s does. Then do what you’re doing and demand an itemised list they can shoot down one by one to prove their point.

Every group of people has a culture. Go on a local Facebook forum and you’ll see the culture of your local area, England, UK, Europe, all have cultures of various levels.

fucking hell, A+for the sweeping generalisations.

Don't want to shoot them down one by one or anything remotely like that. I want an idea of what culture people are fearing is on the verge of disappearing because I'm struggling to think of a single thing I'm concerned is about to vanish from life in Britain.

I mean if you want to take our culture from Facebook groups then we're already fucked.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah when I posted the tea graph I almost posted church attendance too, and again that’s something recent immigrants tend to be propping up as native brits move away from it.

Very much so

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There's something rather humorous about people complaining about there being too many foreigners in the country. A thing they have noticed when returning from living in another country

Nah, this is the extreme argument again. There's nothing wrong with immigration or being in immigrant. You often have a better perspective. It's the quantity of numbers which is currently unsustainable that we are talking about here.

There are also many immigrants in the UK who think there has been too much immigration as well. It's a perfectly reasonable stand point.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Get the plate of biscuits question on the citizenship test I say.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Nah, this is the extreme argument again. There's nothing wrong with immigration or being in immigrant. You often have a better perspective. It's the quantity of numbers which is currently unsustainable that we are talking about here.

There are also many immigrants in the UK who think there has been too much immigration as well. It's a perfectly reasonable stand point.

Are you still living in the Netherlands?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Are you still living in the Netherlands?

No, I'm currently in the UK for now.

 

[shmmeee]

fucking hell, A+for the sweeping generalisations.

Don't want to shoot them down one by one or anything remotely like that. I want an idea of what culture people are fearing is on the verge of disappearing because I'm struggling to think of a single thing I'm concerned is about to vanish from life in Britain.

I mean if you want to take our culture from Facebook groups then we're already fucked.

The British culture. The set of unwritten rules and expectations that they are used to living their life by. I can’t be more specific than that. People like familiarity and fear difference. That’s just humans.

And I used Facebook groups because we’ve both been in the Finham group and laughed at their culture of being suspicious of people walking during the day or teenagers existing. I grew up on The Riddings and we moan about New People who don’t understand that you should flash round the blind bend from Bates Road or stop in passing places (not bloody park in them!!) and not on peoples drives, or build stupid McMansions. None of these things are law they’re just unspoken agreements on how we can all live together in harmony.

 

[shmmeee]

We’ve got a culture here. It’s piss taking and bad puns and Grays Gone and not bringing politics into the football forum (!!!!!). Knowing it makes you feel more at home.

 

[chiefdave]

The British culture. The set of unwritten rules and expectations that they are used to living their life by. I can’t be more specific than that. People like familiarity and fear difference. That’s just humans.

But what you're describing there changes over time irrespective of immigration so not really sure how restricting the number of foreigners coming into the country is going to solve that. Personally that's not what I consider the culture of a country so maybe you're all arguing about something completely different.

 

[SBT]

We’ve got a culture here. It’s piss taking and bad puns and Grays Gone and not bringing politics into the football forum (!!!!!). Knowing it makes you feel more at home.

Would two users talking to each other in Hindi (even setting up their own separate forum or sub-thread to do so) erase that culture?

 

[shmmeee]

Would two users talking to each other in Hindi (even setting up their own separate forum or sub-thread to do so) erase that culture?

I think it would cause unease but then translation tools are easily available online so I don’t think it’s comparable TBH.

 

[shmmeee]

But what you're describing there changes over time irrespective of immigration so not really sure how restricting the number of foreigners coming into the country is going to solve that. Personally that's not what I consider the culture of a country so maybe you're all arguing about something completely different.

To be clear I’m not arguing the British culture is under threat from foreign invaders. I’m arguing it exists and people who claim that aren’t making some wild statement.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The translation stuff is really daft
And I don’t want to take jobs off people but how hard it to use Google translate or have an iPad available

 

[shmmeee]

The translation stuff is really daft
And I don’t want to take jobs off people but how hard it to use Google translate or have an iPad available

Don’t recommend AI as a way to save the NHS money…

 

[Nick]

I want an idea of what culture people are fearing is on the verge of disappearing

Using bins.

 

[chiefdave]

Using bins.

If losing our culture means there's not 101 posts every week on facebook about what colour bin to put out I'm all for it

 

[fernandopartridge]

Don’t recommend AI as a way to save the NHS money…

Given that I've done procurement of interpretation and translation services for the NHS in the past, I know for a stone cold fact that neither patients nor clinicians want to use AI to try and exchange complex and incredibly sensitive and personal information.

 

[shmmeee]

Given that I've done procurement of interpretation and translation services for the NHS in the past, I know for a stone cold fact that neither patients nor clinicians want to use AI to try and exchange complex and incredibly sensitive and personal information.

I think if you’ve got a fixed view on the quality of a fast moving cutting edge tech your view is probably based on your biases more than anything concrete tbh.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think if you’ve got a fixed view on the quality of a fast moving cutting edge tech your view is probably based on your biases more than anything concrete tbh.

Your view or mine is irrelevant really. If the parties either side of the exchange don't want it, they don't want it.

 

[Nick]

If losing our culture means there's not 101 posts every week on facebook about what colour bin to put out I'm all for it

On the other hand, drive down the end of Foleshill Road by Culworth Court for a look.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

If losing our culture means there's not 101 posts every week on facebook about what colour bin to put out I'm all for it

In fairness, you went to Sweden and said there didn't look like any impact of immigration whatsoever, particularly with safety, which is just mind boggling.

Sorry mate, but you should probably sit this one out, along with anyone walking round the UK that claim they haven't seen any changes in the last 30 years!

 

[SBT]

Sorry mate, but you should probably sit this one out, along with anyone walking round the UK that claim they haven't seen any changes in the last 30 years!

Who's said that?

 

[wingy]

To be clear I’m not arguing the British culture is under threat from foreign invaders. I’m arguing it exists and people who claim that aren’t making some wild statement.

Have we got a translation button on here yet?

 

[chiefdave]

In fairness, you went to Sweden and said there didn't look like any impact of immigration whatsoever, particularly with safety, which is just mind boggling.

Sorry mate, but you should probably sit this one out, along with anyone walking round the UK that claim they haven't seen any changes in the last 30 years!

Not sure telling people who have been to other countries to pipe down because their personal experience doesn't match yours is really a good way to debate.

 

[wingy]

In fairness, you went to Sweden and said there didn't look like any impact of immigration whatsoever, particularly with safety, which is just mind boggling.

Sorry mate, but you should probably sit this one out, along with anyone walking round the UK that claim they haven't seen any changes in the last 30 years!

He did also mention that they seemed to have a culture of finishing on time and also had enough discretionary income to go out or straight out from work which is always a good thing.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Not sure telling people who have been to other countries to pipe down because their personal experience doesn't match yours is really a good way to debate.

I'm sorry, but it's just ridiculous to even entertain this. When it comes to the immigration debate, Sweden is about as good a talking point as any example in the world. Admittedly I have lived there, but if you've visited recently and cannot see any effects of immigration then any debate just isn't worthwhile to have.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Who's said that?

You asked for help identifying what has changed in the UK, as you couldn't work it out.

Can you genuinely see no changes in the UK?

It looks like either you were actually playing dumb, or you were too busy tying yourself in knots trying to argue the contrary for no reason that you forgot.

 

[chiefdave]

I'm sorry, but it's just ridiculous to even entertain this. When it comes to the immigration debate, Sweden is about as good a talking point as any example in the world. Admittedly I have lived there, but if you've visited recently and cannot see any effects of immigration then any debate just isn't worthwhile to have.

I mean what do you want, me to make up issues I witnessed

 

[shmmeee]

Change of topic:

Drivers caught speeding at 164mph told to stop being 'selfish'

At least 24,000 drivers were detected speeding at over 100mph in five years, police data shows.

www.bbc.co.uk

I was told on my speed awareness course that 30mph over the limit and you “lost your licence” clearly that just means “a short ban”.

 

[SBT]

You asked for help identifying what has changed in the UK, as you couldn't work it out.

Can you genuinely see no changes in the UK?

It looks like either you were actually playing dumb, or you were too busy tying yourself in knots trying to argue the contrary for no reason that you forgot.

I think you misunderstood what I was asking you for. Go back and read it again - I want to know which parts of British culture are being erased, not what changes have happened in British society.

Obviously I know there have been changes (duh). But the existence of Turkish barbers (or Polish supermarkets, or Huguenot weavers) in Britain does not preclude the existence of a British culture, or necessitate its erasure.

 

[shmmeee]

Still maintain far more British culture is erased by American cultural dominance than any immigrant.

 

[SBT]

Me walking outside:

 

[CovValleyBoy]

I think you misunderstood what I was asking you for. Go back and read it again - I want to know which parts of British culture are being erased, not what changes have happened in British society.

Obviously I know there have been changes (duh). But the existence of Turkish barbers (or Polish supermarkets, or Huguenot weavers) in Britain does not preclude the existence of a British culture, or necessitate its erasure.

Christianity was ingrained in British culture. I feel it is being marginalised.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Christianity was ingrained in British culture. I feel it is being marginalised.

Which church do you worship at?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This is pretty awful

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