Nonleagueherewecome
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They certainly are NLHWCAmericans also have a habit of tearing companies apart as well?
Well we know a thing about that; it we'll have to see if it comes to it what the next American is like..
Ashbyjan or anyone from the Sky Blue Trust.... (2 Viewers)
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Well we know a thing about that; it we'll have to see if it comes to it what the next American is like..
SkyblueBazza
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...or just road kill?
dongonzalos
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At the end of the day if a Coventry fan is prepared to get out of their armchair and try and do something they perceive to be positive for the club they love.
Those sat in their armchairs should consider that it is a hell of a lot easier to sit back and criticise those who try. Rather than try yourself.
Those sat in their armchairs should consider that it is a hell of a lot easier to sit back and criticise those who try. Rather than try yourself.
ICHAN
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Didn't see any off that Waldorf as haven't been on here for ages due to personal stuff but thanks for the reply, however I have read on here that some of the trusts members have said that the trust represents the average fan.
Some of the trust members do come over as brash and don't like being disagreed with or having the trust questioned, so I asked as a fan from outside the area what or how the trust would represent me.
Will have a read of your website Thanks
Some of the trust members do come over as brash and don't like being disagreed with or having the trust questioned, so I asked as a fan from outside the area what or how the trust would represent me.
Will have a read of your website Thanks
TurkeyTrot
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We I know at least one board member brings his iPad, I guess it could be done. Never used Skype, could it be set up as a conference call type thing? It would be a laugh trying to do that if nothing else.
I don't always agree with the trust stance, not 100% and I've been on the board for years. It's about trying to get a general consensus of opinion of trust members when decisions are made. If you vote for a political party then I'm sure you don't agree with every single policy. No own personal view is I'd like to see fan influence at the club, what that form takes I don't know. There's a good argument to be had that a fan on the board isn't the right way forward because they have to do what's right for the board. A lot more debate and understanding needs to take place. I also have no interest in being that person who is the representative.
I don't always agree with the trust stance, not 100% and I've been on the board for years. It's about trying to get a general consensus of opinion of trust members when decisions are made. If you vote for a political party then I'm sure you don't agree with every single policy. No own personal view is I'd like to see fan influence at the club, what that form takes I don't know. There's a good argument to be had that a fan on the board isn't the right way forward because they have to do what's right for the board. A lot more debate and understanding needs to take place. I also have no interest in being that person who is the representative.
Nick
Administrator
Probably better on a laptop..
LarryGrayson
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bet the trust wish they new nowt and said nowt then everyoned have a go for them nowing nowt lol
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
Yep,
What is the point of a trust that doesn't represent us the fans
Why don't they speak to SISU
ACL
The administrator
The Yank
etc etc etc
Well done the trust.
I appreciated you Q and A's with SISU and ACL
I look forward to your summary of your chat with the yank
TurkeyTrot
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Well I DON'T know nowt, hopefully I'll find out more tomorrow, that's if there is any more.
TurkeyTrot
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Nick, I'll bring it up at the board meeting tomorrow, see if we can set something up. (We as in Royal we, I can't even work out the remotes for the Telly)
SkyblueBazza
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If it were truly democratic I might buy into the trust more if there were a proper referendum type vote on survey monkey or some similar means where a straightforward question be asked & those who want to can simply & easily access it & vote accordingly...& the results be easily accessed. Then if the majority want something like turning down the volume of the PA...it can be clearly demonstrated as the majority of those bothered have voted to take a specific action - then the club accept or reject. That could work...via the club website...do not need a trust for that though do we? A vote for anyone prepared to nominate their self could be held.
TurkeyTrot
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You can survey/ vote til the cows come home but if the club isn't going to take any notice you might as well be voting on Villas away kit next season. Which brings me back to my point of fan influence...
gary_ccfcforever
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Psgm I suggest you post your supposed threatening pms on this forum for all to see.....
TurkeyTrot
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Bloody trust, my idea about Skype and Nicks getting the credit for the idea, typical just typical
No pleasing some people
Ok
Nick, I'll bring ICHANS idea up at the board meeting tomorrow
(Better?)
TurkeyTrot
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SkyblueBazza
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The point is that to be truly representative of the fans - ALL fans should have equal opportunity to vote if they wish. Not pay to join the trust so that the trust board can then decide who represents everybody on the board. The club can & should be able to set this up quite easily. Then only apathy is the enemy.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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You obviously dont want to join the Trust so like the rest who dont stop coming out with more and more ways that you you think the Trust is going to be more democratic Its a fans group thats all it is. Its a group of concerned fans. The people that were voted onto the board of the Trust were voted onto it when there were a couple of hundred members if that. I am not a member of the board but am now concerned that all this negativity and they might just say fuck it.
SkyblueBazza
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I think it should just be all puke. A non-specific colour with carrot & pea etc. flecks in it
TurkeyTrot
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Bazza, think you've missed the point of the Trust. It should be independent from the Club.
SkyblueBazza
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Wrong. Not anti-trust...not convinced.
It has a very strong NUM flavour from what I have gathered so far. Initial intent - great...longer term - questionable. What is so different about these fans trusts? Some have had a good effect on the general running of the club & the fan's experience...so far. Others no effect. Do the general run-of-the-mill fan want to be represented on the board?
ICHAN
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Genuine question TT and I know you said in an earlier post about someone being on the board representing the fans and how it could work.
Surely the person representing the fans will not be able to say specific things and will only be allowed in certain discussions and then maybe tied down to confidentiality, how can you see a fan representative working and what would they actually be able to effect?
Could the board not just possibly lie to the representative anyway and tell him/her what they want them to hear and would that not make them just like Sisu?
Surely the person representing the fans will not be able to say specific things and will only be allowed in certain discussions and then maybe tied down to confidentiality, how can you see a fan representative working and what would they actually be able to effect?
Could the board not just possibly lie to the representative anyway and tell him/her what they want them to hear and would that not make them just like Sisu?
TurkeyTrot
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No they probably don't, like most run of the mill fans want to talk about what went on on the pitch.
SkyblueBazza
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Then surely it cannot have board representation???
TurkeyTrot
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Yes they probably could but what's the alternative? Carry on like we have for the last 15 years or so? It might not make any difference but I believe it's worth a go. The fans are so far detatched from the club something needs to be done to bridge that gap. Years ago Coventry City was MY club, that's how it felt, but it doesn't any more. What I would hope for is the club owners realizing the benefits of having a direct link to the fan base and the fan base realizing that direct link to the owners is a position not to be abused so it becomes a beneficial partnership to both. An open and honest transparent information highway. I know it's hoping for utopia but what have we got to lose?
TurkeyTrot
New Member
Yes it can! If the board has a fan representative (it don't have to be a board member and it probably couldn't be due to conflict of interest although I don't know, I'm not a legal expert) then they represent the fans, challenge the club, bring new ideas to the table that has the fans remit.
TurkeyTrot
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I think one of the main issues with the Trust is confidentiality. Unfortunately is the poisoned chalace, and it's something I struggle with, along with other board members and yes I still do struggle with it. As a manager it's easy for me, I'm told something in a managers meeting that's not to get out on the shop floor then I've not got a problem with it, that's my job, that's what I'm paid to do but as a board member of the Trust it's a different ball game. I put myself in the firing line to try to do something about the lack of transparency and then I'm asked not to be transparent, it's a shit sandwich. I understand the frustrations (boiling over to insults) when the Trust is accused of knowing stuff that "ordinary" fans don't and it looks like we're holding stuff back and it's easy for me to say "we can't tell you" because we know and you don't so we come across as being a holes. The trouble is if we are told something in confidence for a specific reason we have to honour that whether we like it or not, if we don't we may not be able to find out something we can discuss openly and we certainly will have lost trust with the parties involved.
SkyblueBazza
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...I've been in similarly "privileged" positions & I know how it can beat you up inside - & coming out publicly stating that as you have gives you much more credibility. Well done you!
letsallsingtogether
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All you ever say is look how poorly the film night was attended so fucking what we are all football supporters and not cinema goers (go to the Odeon on a Tuesday night properly 6 people per room) at the end of the day lets do away with all the supporters organisations and leave it all down to you see how far you get and then you can start bitching that nobody in this City cares because they can't even organise a supporters trust or even a film show, you say you've had personal experience from major player within the SBT shame I would have thought you would have enjoyed that as you seem to have no personal life or personality as I see it :facepalm: YOU ARE THE DISCRACE
And SO LETS SEE THE TRUE FACE OF THE SBT!!!!!
POINT PROVEN I THINK!!
NASTY LOT OF AIMLESS SCUMBAGS IF THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SBT!!
They said from DAY ONE they were moving in AS A LAST RESORT!
Now they want a place on the board! Why should these self elected people have anymore say than anyone else?
Just look at the way they react when you say something they don't like! If sisu did that there would be uproar!
Certain of their supportes act as bullies, and we don't want MORE bullies on the board!
Just look at the response! Yet these people claim to be representative of the fans - they most certainly ARE NOT
If they want part of the club - It's a clique - nothing more!
Now they want a place on the board! Why should these self elected people have anymore say than anyone else?
Just look at the way they react when you say something they don't like! If sisu did that there would be uproar!
Certain of their supportes act as bullies, and we don't want MORE bullies on the board!
Just look at the response! Yet these people claim to be representative of the fans - they most certainly ARE NOT
If they want part of the club - It's a clique - nothing more!