DazzleTommyDazzle
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A great idea for TF.
Reduce the capacity of Sixfields to 450, auction the tickets on eBay - watch the riches roll in
12,000 Seater stadium - Anybody happy ? (3 Viewers)
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A great idea for TF.
Reduce the capacity of Sixfields to 450, auction the tickets on eBay - watch the riches roll in
Grendel
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A great idea for TF.
Reduce the capacity of Sixfields to 450, auction the tickets on eBay - watch the riches roll in
Puerile response - acknowledgment that my point is valid.
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Grendel "logic" at its "best".
SkyBlueBlood
Member
A 12000 stadium outside of Coventry is about 10,000 seats too many.
Now a stadium for Coventry City (the team who are from and play in Coventry) it is nowhere near big enough.
Now a stadium for Coventry City (the team who are from and play in Coventry) it is nowhere near big enough.
Grendel
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For revenue purposes it clearly is. Ate you saying we regularly have more than 12,000 season tickets?
Are Foleshill and holbrooks not in the city then?
bigfatronssba
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Just looked it up and over the past 94 years (when CCFC joined the Football League) and out of that only in 12 seasons was the average low enough to fit into a 12k stadium.
Exactly,so you haven't a got a clue about how us Coventry folk really feel about our football club potentially playing outside the city permanently.
If it leaves our city permanently then it isn't ccfc anymore.
I wouldn't expect you to understand that though.
GaryPendrysEyes
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Oh dear Grendel's been on the red wine.
Talk about clueless. You have enough relatively cheap capacity to cover and indeed burst to increased demand like cup games, local derbies.
With his logic internet providers would be limiting bandwidth, supermarkets would under provide stock....
12000 and we are a div 3 team.
Talk about clueless. You have enough relatively cheap capacity to cover and indeed burst to increased demand like cup games, local derbies.
With his logic internet providers would be limiting bandwidth, supermarkets would under provide stock....
12000 and we are a div 3 team.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
So what? Charge more money and get more revenue.
You've got a good point there. I bet the season tickets would be astronomical.Im sure the Warwickshire locals will embrace the new franchise club though.
bigfatronssba
Well-Known Member
Ok, so your limiting the amount of fans that come through.
Tell me, how do you think Norwich went from getting crowds of 14k in the late 90's to 23k ten years later?
Free tickets for kids etc?
No club outside the top of the prem can exclude its fan base in such a way and expect a future.
It would just price the family out of going.
skybluefred
New Member
Hi Weeman, Unfortunately the Stadium will not be owned by CCFC it will be owned by another of sisu's awful companies.
The Reverend Skyblue
Well-Known Member
When were we averaging 22000 ?
I know we did, but what year was it and what was the average wage then around the area Cov fans live in, as £10 a ticket then is not worth the same now .
I can not believe someone is advocating increasing the price of matchday and season ticket to create the same income, so a smaller stadium can be built.
Madness
I know we did, but what year was it and what was the average wage then around the area Cov fans live in, as £10 a ticket then is not worth the same now .
I can not believe someone is advocating increasing the price of matchday and season ticket to create the same income, so a smaller stadium can be built.
Madness
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Grendel
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It was 6 years ago and the RPI index now makes little difference. Admission prices are almost identical.
Grendel
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So when we had 20,000 a season watching what was the average price?
Without freebies giveaways half price offers and bring a kid for a quid we have never had more than 14,000 fans.
With your logic you'd have a corner shop and but land big enough for a superstore just in case your shop got too busy.
The Reverend Skyblue
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Grendal you would be the first to say this,and you know I am right, you would post ,show me the facts/stats to back that claim that we had never more then 14,000 fans at games due to freebies etc.
I am not arguing with you, I don't do arguing anymore, but that is one big claim there .
Grendel
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I'm talking about average over a season. Clearly the occasional game against big opposition would attract more but then so would any club.
The Ricoh swelled grounds for a while but the evidence is simple - gate receipts divided by attendees over a season. At the Ricoh at its peak the average fan paid £10 a game which is a massive reduction of list price - this shows distress and a need to artificially swell attendances.
italiahorse
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But where do you want to be ?
Young fans should be free. Every ticket at a premium would get rid of kids.
A stadium of adults all paying full price is not what I want.
Although it may make commercial sense to do this you would be heartless to carry it out.
I can see therefore why you like it.
bigfatronssba
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The Ricoh at its peak had more season ticket holders, who do pay less per game than the pay on the gate fans. That is the same at every club for the past 100 years.
It doesn't necessarily suggest freebies or discounts, it just suggests more season ticket holders.
If the club is ever successful again then it will always happen.
Unless your advocating season tickets that work out the same as a match day ticket then there isn't anything you can do about it.
letsallsingtogether
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Then maybe Tim and his mates can congregate there and talk about the good old days at sixfields......
No future with SISU
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With Your logic every company would only build buildings/trains/Buses/coaches/ships/planes for the smallest amount of people. Any company with ambition builds for the maximum other wise they will not grow
bigfatronssba
Well-Known Member
Exactly. The Ricoh was built for the clubs potential support, not a snapshot of it at a certain point in time.
Nick
Administrator
By me they run smaller buses when it is night or early morning as they don't need big buses.
You don't see a lorry delivering a single parcel do you?
I wouldnt go and buy an office for 100 people even I have 2 people working there just in case I grow that far down the line would I?
Would a haulage company just starting out buy 100 lorries when they only actually need 10 at that moment in time? If their business took off and they needed to expand they would just buy more, surely?
As long as it can grow with the club I don't see the issue, the ricoh was mostly empty and if I remember people moaned about that.
That is even if it is 12,000, that is even if it is built... I am just going to shout at the bus driver because he might run me over one day!
J
Jack Griffin
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Wolves lowest home crowd this season was 15,959.
Sheff Utd all home crowds larger than 15,000
So I guess you're all happy to be a smaller club..
Sheff Utd all home crowds larger than 15,000
So I guess you're all happy to be a smaller club..
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Nick
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We got less than 9k at a home game last season I think? We were in a big stadium then....
bigfatronssba
Well-Known Member
I really think your missing the point.
Nick
Administrator
Why am I? What I am saying is that surely there is no point building a huge stadium if it will never be filled. If we got promoted and it could be extended then surely that is better business sense?
I am missing the point with the wolves comparison because we had poor attendances at the ricoh?
bigfatronssba
Well-Known Member
So do you think its cost effective to alter the size of the stadium every season?
Do you not find it humiliating that we are even considering a 12k stadium?
How long do you think it takes to extend even a single stand with planning permission etc?
Do you think crowds will always be this low?
Is 12k now the level of ambition of this club?
GaryPendrysEyes
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In the end you would have to build a stadium footprint, core infrastructure, get planning, access roads, parking, health and safety clearance etc for the maximum capacity. The capital savings of not putting in a few 1000 seats or plumbing in a few bogs or catering outlets wouldn't be that much. Especially if offset by missing out on some big gate opportunities.
I suspect the reality is Sisu don't have the capital for a bigger stadium and they are just spinning. Unless the world apart from Sisu has been missing out on the wonders of Rotherham.
I suspect the reality is Sisu don't have the capital for a bigger stadium and they are just spinning. Unless the world apart from Sisu has been missing out on the wonders of Rotherham.
Nick
Administrator
As said, there is no proof it will be 12k anyway is there or if there is a stadium at all...
As I said earlier I am no stadium builder but IF it could be extended easily then I don't see the issue with a smaller stadium, I think more like 17 - 19000 though rather than 12k.
I just don't see the point in building a huge stadium we would never fill.
bigfatronssba
Well-Known Member
We fill it when we're successful.
Seems you don't have much faith in the football side of things in the coming years.
Nick
Administrator
I am just been realistic, I'm not expecting champions league in 4 years so don't see the need for a 30k stadium, although if it was going to full week in week out then it would be great.
If we did have a huge stadium that was empty week in week out then people would just moan how it was soulless etc.
We aren't a premier league club any more, I'm hoping we are again in my lifetime though.
GaryPendrysEyes
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If you plan for a premiership stadium, then the footprint of the stadium would have to be 25000+. If you don't put 12000 seats in, I think you might still find it a bit 'soulless'!
Sorry but there isn't a Sisu magic stadium.
italiahorse
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Just few thoughts on some of the comments on this thread.
SISU are contemplating building a new 12,000 seater stadium. They must be sitting in there office thinking whether or not this is a goer or not.
They need to way up the amount of money they need to spend OR go back cap in hand to ACL/CCC who have in reality offered them an olive branch.
They need the support of fans if they build a stadium smaller than at any time in the clubs history.
If they come on here they will see fans saying it is big enough and some saying it will be too big. Some fans are saying that outside the city boundary is acceptable and some say that 10 miles away is okay.
Think about it, say what you would like to see in reality and give SISU no feeling that this is a plan for success. We can all argue the merits of a small stadium but in reality it is not what we want.
Save that for later, in the meantime tell them you want the Ricoh and dismiss forever the thoughts in SISU management that they may have a plan with this small stadium.
Unite for a few weeks and tell them to get back to the Ricoh. If you bump into Fisher today tell him you want to move back. Do all you can to side with any negotiating process to bring us back home.
Never was so much owed by so many to so few ....................... sorry lost it for a second !!
SISU are contemplating building a new 12,000 seater stadium. They must be sitting in there office thinking whether or not this is a goer or not.
They need to way up the amount of money they need to spend OR go back cap in hand to ACL/CCC who have in reality offered them an olive branch.
They need the support of fans if they build a stadium smaller than at any time in the clubs history.
If they come on here they will see fans saying it is big enough and some saying it will be too big. Some fans are saying that outside the city boundary is acceptable and some say that 10 miles away is okay.
Think about it, say what you would like to see in reality and give SISU no feeling that this is a plan for success. We can all argue the merits of a small stadium but in reality it is not what we want.
Save that for later, in the meantime tell them you want the Ricoh and dismiss forever the thoughts in SISU management that they may have a plan with this small stadium.
Unite for a few weeks and tell them to get back to the Ricoh. If you bump into Fisher today tell him you want to move back. Do all you can to side with any negotiating process to bring us back home.
Never was so much owed by so many to so few ....................... sorry lost it for a second !!