IS NOPM WORKINGr (4 Viewers)

[Nick]

Didn't mean it as insulting.....but amazed that you think that's an insulting post when compared to all the other shite that gets posted on here!

If City were currently playing their "home" games at a better class of stadium at 3.00pm on a Saturday, but still 30 odd miles away, I believe the "home" attendance would be at least double what it has been a sixfields.

I think the marked increase in "home" fans at the Notts county game (the 1st to take place on a Saturday) reinforces this belief.

I also think you may be confusing a vocal few on here (this board probably only has about 100 regular posters at a guess) with the vast majority of city fans who just wanna go to the pub & the footy with their mates on a Saturday.

I'd suggest a lot of fans just can't be arsed with the combination of travelling to a shit venue every second sunday....

....Just like about the missing 18,000-20,000 that couldn't be arsed, week in, week out, to go to the Ricoh on a Saturday until the whiff of a JPT Wembley trip cropped up....

.....or the fact that 5,000 attended the gentle weekend protest stroll around the City in the summer months, but a few months on & how many could be arsed to go on the hill....30 ish, how many outside the council...25?

...how many outside the FL offices....3?

Kid yourselves all you like that the vast majority are boycotting due to strict principles......sure, principles are involved, but NOPM just happens to be a very convenient principle for those with other plans on a sunday.

For the record: I have not & will not attend Sixfields.
This is nothing to do with Sisu & everything to do with the fact that its about 150 miles from my home & it looks like I'll have a really shit time if I went there.
PS: I haven't been to the Ricoh since 2006 for the same reasons....over 2 hours drive each way & a shit experience. I still attend about 10 away games per season.:wave:

Bang on, I have been wanting to go for a while but as it is an extra 2 hours I haven't been able to for various reasons until this weekend. It wasn't so much a bad journey just a pain in the arse as I am used to a 10 minute walk to the Ricoh or about 3 minutes if I get dropped off. If it was Nuneaton I'd be there every week!

 

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[jimmyhillsfanclub]

May I ask why you think people cant be arsed to travel to Northampton, yet greater numbers have travelled to Wolves, Port Vale, Walsall etc?

I don't mean to sound patronising but as you say you don't live around here. Your opinion of city fans is based on what is said on here.

I cant tell you that the feeling locally is very much a matter of principle. This is coming from the average fans who don't get involved in protests or post on internet forums.

Well, the reasons are probably identical to mine. I went to wolves & port vale. They were away fixtures, with a good away following, a good atmosphere & on a Saturday !!

Its OK, I don't feel particularly patronised, however I would point out that my opinion of city fans is NOT just based on what is said on here.....good job too.....but based on being a city fan since the late 1970's & regularly going to both home & away games since 1982.

I stick to my main points.....if we were ground sharing at a better ground & playing on Saturdays, the gates would be a lot higher.....30+ years of following city has certainly proved to me that we have a very large portion of fair-weather, take it or leave it type supporters.....recent examples being the JPT game v average gate at the ricoh + the 5000 strong march followed by piss poorly attended protests ever since...

 

[lewys33]

So basically NOPM is just the "30ish" that stand on a hill? Behave yourself.

People may not be going due to strict principles. That is correct. But everyone gets carried away on here, NOPM is working, and so are all other campaigns. Whether you want to brandish them with "campaign names" or "strict principles" it is all working.

If we were ground sharing at a better ground and playing on saturdays, I still seriously doubt the gates would be "a lot higher". 5,000 tops. Still half what you would get in Coventry. Especially seeing as we are playing well.

 

[Nick]

So basically NOPM is just the "30ish" that stand on a hill? Behave yourself.

People may not be going due to strict principles. That is correct. But everyone gets carried away on here, NOPM is working, and so are all other campaigns. Whether you want to brandish them with "campaign names" or "strict principles" it is all working.

If we were ground sharing at a better ground and playing on saturdays, I still seriously doubt the gates would be "a lot higher". 5,000 tops. Still half what you would get in Coventry. Especially seeing as we are playing well.

I think a lot more than 30 but I wouldn't say the whole 25,000 who were at the Crewe game.

There are loads of different reasons people haven't been going.

 

[ajsccfc]

May I ask why you think people cant be arsed to travel to Northampton, yet greater numbers have travelled to Wolves, Port Vale, Walsall etc?

You expect to travel for away games and there's a variety there too. Going to home games at a far lesser ground miles away hardly has the same appeal even if you weren't put out by the move.

I don't think it's the prevailing reason for people staying away in this case, but there's certainly logic in it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You expect to travel for away games and there's a variety there too. Going to home games at a far lesser ground miles away hardly has the same appeal even if you weren't put out by the move.

I don't think it's the prevailing reason for people staying away in this case, but there's certainly logic in it.

In fact surely it'd be a better argument against SISU's actions, that the moderate majority who basically go along with anything CCFC, have been effectively barred from attending games due to the logistics?

Surely that's a far more damning argument than anything else?!?

 

[Houdi]

jimmyhill has a point

if we had ground shared with brum i would imagine we would get perhaps 5-6k a game

alot of it is people who wouldnt mind going but cant be arsed with the travel.

I don't why you would imagine that. Northampton isn't particularly a more difficult place to get too than St Andrews. Both are accessible by train, the club provide coach travel, and both are pretty straightforward to drive too. Indeed when I went to Northampton to see us play [ a pre season friendly a few years ago I hasten to add}, I was back in Coventry in about 25 minutes. No the reason people are choosing not to go, is because we feel Coventry City should always play its home games in Coventry.
8,000 fans managed to go to Arsenal last year on a Tuesday night, so a half hour trip to Northampton should be a piece of cake.

 

[ajsccfc]

Psychologically speaking, Birmingham's next-door and Northampton is God knows where, Wales or something.

People would definitely be more persuaded if it was in Birmingham. How many people is up for the point-scorers, but if you live in Coventry going to Birmingham is seen as far more hassle-free than Northampton, even if the hassle's actually the same.

 

[Monners]

Psychologically speaking, Birmingham's next-door and Northampton is God knows where, Wales or something.

People would definitely be more persuaded if it was in Birmingham. How many people is up for the point-scorers, but if you live in Coventry going to Birmingham is seen as far more hassle-free than Northampton, even if the hassle's actually the same.

Its a good point. Cov has far more of an asociation with Brum, historically, socially, similar industry. Its only 30 odd miles to Northampton and dead easy to get to, but the two places have very little in common.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Psychologically speaking, Birmingham's next-door and Northampton is God knows where, Wales or something.

People would definitely be more persuaded if it was in Birmingham. How many people is up for the point-scorers, but if you live in Coventry going to Birmingham is seen as far more hassle-free than Northampton, even if the hassle's actually the same.

If you live on the eastern side of Coventry then Northampton is no more difficult to get to than Brum. (By car at least anyway)

 

[ajsccfc]

Nowhere's particularly difficult to get to really, but people are likely to think of Birmingham as far more convenient, possibly even Walsall if that ended up being the choice as they're regarded as West Midlands so feel more local in a sense. Most people are staying away no matter where it is, but there will be a few that see Northampton as just too out of the way whereas a closer ground might have reluctantly suited them a little more.

 

[shmmeee]

I wouldn't call a couple of hundred a "marked increase" that's the sort of numbers that can come from fluctuation. It's not a trend until there's three data points.

Implying only people who can be arsed go and there's not a large amount of City fans who refuse to go on principle is ridiculous and without basis.

 

[withers]

i would love to think that NOPM is working but nobody can be sure. However, I guessing that SISU did not expect attendances to be so low at a time when City are in the form of their lives

 

[l327tgc]

Grow up!!!!

 

[ajsccfc]

And shave those sideburns!

 

[bigfatronssba]

Anyway, regardless of their reasons, thousands of city fans are not going to Sixfields, that otherwise would if we were at the Ricoh.

That's the only thing that matters.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I think a lot more than 30 but I wouldn't say the whole 25,000 who were at the Crewe game.

There are loads of different reasons people haven't been going.

Wrong Nick, there are aren't loads of reasons, there's one:

They all feel disenfranchised from the club they love as a direct result of the behaviour of the owners.

 

[Grendel]

Wrong Nick, there are aren't loads of reasons, there's one:

They all feel disenfranchised from the club they love as a direct result of the behaviour of the owners.

Well there are. If let's say Balsall common housed a 10,000 rugby stadium and we did a deal there the fans attending would be much greater than 2,000.

 

[Nick]

Wrong Nick, there are aren't loads of reasons, there's one:

They all feel disenfranchised from the club they love as a direct result of the behaviour of the owners.

Ahh do you speak for everybody now then? Yet again you make these assumptions with no facts at all.

 

[rondog1973]

Weird you're so "insulted" by that post. Particularly when you "liked" a post that called your fellow fans, scabs, dirt and scum.

I felt insulted because it implied a large portion of our fan base don't go simply because they can't be arsed with the hassle of travelling 35 miles to a 'home' game.

Why then, the higher average attendances at away games so far this season?

Furthermore, I'm also insulted that a minority of our fan base choose to recognize 'home' games, by attending a venue in a location other than Coventry.

Oh, and as regards liking posts that throw insults, you're not innocent of that either are you, not to mention your constant sneering at the hill protesters....

 

[rondog1973]

Bang on, I have been wanting to go for a while but as it is an extra 2 hours I haven't been able to for various reasons until this weekend. It wasn't so much a bad journey just a pain in the arse as I am used to a 10 minute walk to the Ricoh or about 3 minutes if I get dropped off. If it was Nuneaton I'd be there every week!

So if your were a millionaire, owned a Lear jet and Sisu relocated us to the Outer Hebrides you'd go?

Does not the principle of CCFC not playing in Coventry mean anything to you?

 

[WestEndAgro]

Correct,just the selfish "I'm supporting the team twats" that go to sixfields holding things up.
But nopm is winning

17 pages of posts and the second post hit the nail on the head, should have closed thread after swisstony's.

 

[Nick]

So if your were a millionaire, owned a Lear jet and Sisu relocated us to the Outer Hebrides you'd go?

Does not the principle of CCFC not playing in Coventry mean anything to you?

Im pretty sure if that happened it wouldn't be temporary so I doubt it..

 

[Nick]

17 pages of posts and the second post hit the nail on the head, should have closed thread after swisstony's.

Sounds like you have been hit on the head

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Ahh do you speak for everybody now then? Yet again you make these assumptions with no facts at all.

80% of the fans have spoken as one Nicholas, they don't need me to speak for them.

 

[torchomatic]

Maybe so, but you don't speak for them all. You certainly don't speak for me.

80% of the fans have spoken as one Nicholas, they don't need me to speak for them.

 

[_brian_]

Maybe so, but you don't speak for them all. You certainly don't speak for me.

If I spoke for you I'd say "wibble wibble teapot"!!! LOL!!! Only joking, mate!

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

80% of the fans have spoken as one Nicholas, they don't need me to speak for them.

Again...you don't quite get what I/we are on about do you...

Yes....about 80% of last seasons fans are currently not attending Sixfields....we all know that.....but you wrongly assume they are ALL in non-attendance simply due to a matter of principle....

WRONG....as has already been proved by peoples posts on this & Grendels "honestly" thread....


People are not attending for more than one reason.....it may be travel, it may be because its a shed of a ground, it may be because up until last weekend, it was on a sunday or it may be because the atmosphere is, by all reports, distinctly lacking....

...the 80% are staying away...yes.

...they are not ALL staying away because of big bad sisu.

Its not that difficult to comprehend, surely.

 

[Nick]

80% of the fans have spoken as one Nicholas, they don't need me to speak for them.

Where have 80% of all Coventry City fans said they won't go to the Ricoh if SISU own it?

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Where have 80% of all Coventry City fans said they won't go to the Ricoh if SISU own it?

Yet again you're going off on a wild tangent. We're all taking about the 80% boycott of sixfields and you're talking about the Ricoh.

I would say that the 80% would flock back to the Ricoh at the first opportunity regardless of who owns it. Do you think otherwise?

 

[Nick]

Yet again you're going off on a wild tangent. We're all taking about the 80% boycott of sixfields and you're talking about the Ricoh.

I would say that the 80% would flock back to the Ricoh at the first opportunity regardless of who owns it. Do you think otherwise?

Sorry, it must have been another thread you were talking shit on. Have you got proof 80% of the fans don't go just because of the reason you stated?

 

[No future with SISU]

Again...you don't quite get what I/we are on about do you...

Yes....about 80% of last seasons fans are currently not attending Sixfields....we all know that.....but you wrongly assume they are ALL in non-attendance simply due to a matter of principle....

WRONG....as has already been proved by peoples posts on this & Grendels "honestly" thread....


People are not attending for more than one reason.....it may be travel, it may be because its a shed of a ground, it may be because up until last weekend, it was on a sunday or it may be because the atmosphere is, by all reports, distinctly lacking....

...the 80% are staying away...yes.

...they are not ALL staying away because of big bad sisu.

Its not that difficult to comprehend, surely.

If CCFC show the total amount of supporters who had purchased tickets last year it is more than 90% who are not going. The bulk of the fans i have spoken to are not going as they think it is wrong/are fed up with the move to northampton and all blame Fisher/sisu.

 

[thaiskyblue]

all the people i "used to go with ", or i see down the pub don't go because we play in Northampton no other reason, full stop. Nothing to do with travel problems or any other reasons.

 

[covcity4life]

i wouldn't go regularly because the club should play in coventry and i am not happy with move to nrothampton

i havnt been AT ALL because its too far away.

 

[Nick]

Yes, but that isn't all fans is it? I know people who don't go because they can't get there or they have to be back because they have kids but do want to go. You can't assume everybody doesn't attend for the same reason (that just happens to be the same as yours).

One thing you can say is that if we had a big FA cup draw there a few people's minds would be changed and you would struggle to get a ticket if Chelsea or Man Utd rocked up to Sixfields.