Match Thread Cardiff City - Coventry City Match Thread - Wednesday 1st Jan (1 Viewer)

[Ring Of Steel]

He has improved results but hey ho

Look who we’ve played- that is a valid point whether you like it or not, and you’re surely not going to tell me you were encouraged by today surely? You were forecasting a loss midway through the second half against the 2nd bottom team with 10 men.

Anyway whatever- big window coming up, let’s see what happens.

 

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[bigfatronssba]

Stoke N/a lost 1-0
Oxford 5th won 3-2
Bristol 7th drew 1-1
Norwich 20th lost 1-0
Watford 3rd drew 2-2
Swansea 11th lost 2-1
Leeds 6th lost 3-0
Blackburn 2nd won 4-0

So ignoring Stoke as it was the first game of the season, 6 of the other 7 first games of the we played a team that was in the top half, 4 of which were in the play offs at the time we played them.

2 or 3 decent teams but a worse return

 

[Evo1883]

Other than Leeds that's not the hardest fixture lidt in world on paper?

Just shows championship is tough no matter who you play

its 5 of the top half

 

[Frostie]

Who is coming across as somehow ‘happy’ after watching that?

This is a huge window now because so far, Plymouth aside, we have seen nothing encouraging. If these players really are so garbage then Lampard needs to be making some serious demands and doing a lot of business.

Which goes completely against the model of a successful football club that King supposedly wants to recreate.

You don't bring in a new manager/head coach to then rip up everything assembled previously. The whole point is they get more out of the team than the previous incumbent & have a (relatively) smooth transition. Look at the likes of Brighton, they move from Potter to De Zerbi to Hurzeler almost seamlessly.

King believes he has assembled a top 6 "deck". Dispensing with the bulk of them & replacing would cost a fortune & set us back years.

 

[shmmeee]

It isn’t complicated.

If you change managers and you’re still crap, it means the players are crap. It doesn’t matter who the manager is

Why even have a manager?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

This place is gonna be a mess when Robins comes back and beats us.

Doubt it.

hes shit. The same idiots were telling us he wouldn’t get a job in the championship

 

[Nick]

you crying to us all for talking about robins is definitely more nausiating , as soon as people talk about it your on here with your shit laughing emoji telling pople to get over it

It's not crying, it's just reminding you that you're grown blokes and not teenage girls writing about one direction.

It's fucking cringeworthy that people literally force themselves to make things up because of it.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

CWR ‘bring Liam Kelly back’

Jesus Christ


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Isn’t he unsurprisingly injured?

 

[bigfatronssba]

As others have pointed out, we know they're not crap - unless it happened over the summer.

So why have we spent pretty much the entire season in the bottom half?

 

[Nick]

This place is gonna be a mess when Robins comes back and beats us.

Jizz everywhere

 

[shmmeee]

Let me summarise….. We have been shite under robins…. And and now we're shite with Lampard.

We all have to move on with Frank.

I mean we don’t. There’s no law that says you have to keep a bad manager around. You are allowed to get a good one in.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

We are devoid of game changers. Vik and Hamer were that in amongst an arguably even poorer selection of players. They are the sort to lift and inspire the people around them to be better.

Wright and EMC arer closest we've got, but not convinced they are the same level.

And not having someone of this mould in midfield is killing us. It should be Sheaf - it arguably has been Sheaf previously - but this year he's a shell of a player.

I'm still dumbfounded by the drop off from last season though...

EMC and Wright are both game changers, it’s unfortunate that neither are fit.

In midfield is where our issues truly lie. Eccles, Torp nor Sheaf are bad players. However, they’re just all more or less the same player, there’s no variety in midfield and none of them are comfortable with a) putting balls behind the opposition defence and b) picking the ball up in midfield and dribbling past players.

We play risky football in our own and middle thirds. When it comes to their opposition third, we’re just far too safe. A couple of times we could’ve tried to play in Simms, Bassette and BTA but too often they’d take the easy route out and play it out wide, and back…

 

[PVA]

Doesn't quite work does it?
Least you might get a couple of likes and ring of steel trying to give you a reach around.

It seems that when it's pointed out that people are being embarrassing still crying about robins every week, the best come back is "get used to it and log out"

Nice one, it's like Eminem writing Stan some of the posts on here with their fan fiction.

No, it's the fact that the mere mention of disappointment in current performances has you frothing at the mouth about people crying about Robins.

No one is allowed to criticise Lampard or the performances otherwise they're 'crying about Robins'

 

[bigfatronssba]

Why even have a manager?

You tell me

If they’re that influential then Robins was shite this season wasn’t he?

 

[napolimp]

So why have we spent pretty much the entire season in the bottom half?

Why are you going around in circles?

 

[stupot07]

2 or 3 decent teams but a worse return

Of course it's a worse return, we didn't play 5 games against the worst 4 teams in the league, and played against teams who at that time were in form.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You tell me

If they’re that influential then Robins was shite this season wasn’t he?

what are you on about now

 

[CCFCSteve]

See this is another conundrum, I agree they're spineless, yet they've shown enough bollocks to turn games around under all 3 managers this season, so there's evidence there for anyone trying to refute it.

For me there's a real mystery around why this group are so shit because they've shown sporadically that they're not.

agreed, they’re not. They’re just playing nowhere near their potential. We desperately miss some leadership

More generally some of the comments about Lampard on this thread are OTT. It’s not been amazing but none of these are his players and results wise it’s hardly that bad. This has been without our best player and then losing his replacement, who was our inform player since lampard landed for the last two.

Lets at least give him a window or two and a bit of time before judging

 

[Nick]

No, it's the fact that the mere mention of disappointment in current performances has you frothing at the mouth about people crying about Robins.

No one is allowed to criticise Lampard or the performances otherwise they're 'crying about Robins'

It doesn't though. Plenty have said they are disappointed, I have said it was shit, I have said we needed changes sooner and to fill the box.

Have a look at the posts I reply to and stop being a hero.

 

[skyblueheaven]

CWR ‘bring Liam Kelly back’

Jesus Christ


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Might as well get Sammy Clingan out of retirement..he would feel right at home!

 

[Evo1883]

It's not crying, it's just reminding you that you're grown blokes and not teenage girls writing about one direction.

It's fucking cringeworthy that people literally force themselves to make things up because of it.

nobody here is crying though , were talking about the manager and ex manager hes rerplaced , its a forum , its your fucking forum infact if its an issue maybe youd like us all to leave ? if not honestly jog on and leave us talk about it without the nonsense "stop crying"

 

[bigfatronssba]

Why are you going around in circles?

Because you’re holding our manager to a different standard to an ex manager. It’s strange

 

[Major Tom]

We were given a lifeline by the referee today, and we failed to make that advantage count. I will say what I have said several times, and the problems we have are largely down to the players themselves. The selective application of most of them is shocking and Lampard/Robins don't really come into it in that respect. Of course there are many fair criticisms further down, but I really think the players themselves are too weak mentally and lack the application needed to be consistently successful.

MvE just looks like Dabo in disguise, and that run he made only to turn back and pass it to one of our CB's sums it up perfectly. He's fallen off a cliff as a player. Sheaf is getting a lot of stick today, but his scores will still be pretty high on the stat websites because he just passes a lot in safe positions. I'm not seeing anything today that is particularly worse than I usually see from him, I think people are just starting to notice how much of an issue he is for the team and it is finally catching on. He is one of a few players that realistically need to be moved on as soon as possible.

I am very curious how the transfer window will go, but we need some help definitely. Today was another game that has gone by which frankly isn't good enough. Sad to see really. Happy New Year to all on SBT!

Two trains of thoughts .. Jan transfer is always a panic , why pay over the odds on a side that will finish mid table and wait till summer.
Shore up with experience asap in Jan and start building now.
my personal view is I think Lampard will have a view of one or two he wants in and then invest in the summer. We are not a million miles away and 2 or 3 good buys is all we need.

 

[stupot07]

See this is another conundrum, I agree they're spineless, yet they've shown enough bollocks to turn games around under all 3 managers this season, so there's evidence there for anyone trying to refute it.

For me there's a real mystery around why this group are so shit because they've shown sporadically that they're not.

Tbf it's always easier to up your game when you're losing, you have nothing to lose, the pressure is off. It's making decisions and being brave when games are finely balanced that takes back bone.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

nobody here is crying though , were talking about the manager and ex manager hes rerplaced , its a forum , its your fucking forum infact if its an issue maybe youd like us all to leave ? if not honestly jog on and leave us talk about it without the nonsense "stop crying"

People are happy to keep banging on about missing COH but if we mention Robins the laughing faces come out.

its pathetic

 

[napolimp]

Because you’re holding our manager to a different standard to an ex manager. It’s strange

I'm not, if you actually read what I've said. I don't know what your problem is. I think the squad is fine, you think they're crap. What's the problem with that? It's a difference of opinion.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Of course it's a worse return, we didn't play 5 games against the worst 4 teams in the league, and played against teams who at that time were in form.

Much better return against slightly worse teams.

Nothing at all to suggest Lampard is useless as some are suggesting

 

[clint van damme]

It isn’t complicated.

If you change managers and you’re still crap, it means the players are crap. It doesn’t matter who the manager is

But they had a very good spell last season, which is why this all doesn't add up to me.

This isn't a slight drop off, they've gone to absolute dogshit.
Maybe Brighton is right that they lack on pitch leadership to galvanise them?

 

[Major Tom]

This place is gonna be a mess when Robins comes back and beats us.

His team he’s beating..

 

[bigfatronssba]

what are you on about now

What’s confusing about the question??

Why did we have a poor start to the season?

 

[Evo1883]

Much better return against slightly worse teams.

Nothing at all to suggest Lampard is useless as some are suggesting

its not slightly worse teams , the 4 worst teams in the league included

 

[Nick]

nobody here is crying though , were talking about the manager and ex manager hes rerplaced , its a forum , its your fucking forum infact if its an issue maybe youd like us all to leave ? if not honestly jog on and leave us talk about it without the nonsense "stop crying"

You have people making things up about the game to push an agenda.

"Leave us all to see who has the best robins eulogy after every game.

If we win we could make out Mark would have had us win by more. If we draw we could make out we should have lost and were lucky.

If we lose it makes it easier because we just say "Elite tactician" and get some easy likes"

If you don't want to get called out when you post the same cringeworthy stuff then that's on you.

 

[pusbccfc]

His team he’s beating..

He'll certainly know their weaknesses and there's a lot of them.

 

[shmmeee]

You have people making things up about the game to push an agenda.

"Leave us all to see who has the best robins eulogy after every game.

If we win we could make out Mark would have had us win by more. If we draw we could make out we should have lost and were lucky. "

If you don't want to get called out when you post the same cringeworthy stuff then that's on you.

Sorry man but mostly it’s been people saying “this is shite” and the same four or five replying “yeah but what about robins???”

 

[stupot07]

Much better return against slightly worse teams.

Nothing at all to suggest Lampard is useless as some are suggesting

Slightly worse teams we've played 5 of the 8 against teams in the bottom 4. Lampard couldn't have had an easier run in.

And I thought Robins should go.

I don't think Lampard is useless I'm not seeing any improvement in the way we play.