Bigger current issue, for time being at least anyway (diplomatic and vaccine related) is DODs article above about EU threatening to block vaccine supplies to other countries
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Bigger current issue, for time being at least anyway (diplomatic and vaccine related) is DODs article above about EU threatening to block vaccine supplies to other countries
David O'Day
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Basically if the Pfizer vaccine is only at 33% after 1 dose it would be workable but the main issue is the messaging makes people think 1 dose and they are safe.
That could bite us on the arse.
Also the government does need to publish the science behind the 3 month gap as it goes against what the makers say and it seems to be based on a figure taken from trials after the 2nd dose was given.
That could bite us on the arse.
Also the government does need to publish the science behind the 3 month gap as it goes against what the makers say and it seems to be based on a figure taken from trials after the 2nd dose was given.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The Pfizer data shows lower case rates and hospitalisation but not necessarily reduced transmission. Though intuitively there should be at least some effect
Whitty rubbished that report in the guardian/Israel report about Pfizer (hope he’s right !)
edit -https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/chris-whitty-s-fury-at-guardian-s-total-nonsense-pfizer-claim/ar-BB1d2a0K?ocid=ob-fb-engb-667
clint van damme
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That's not true either according to the BBC this morning.
The EU asked pharmaceutical companies to keep them informed of what they're exporting where and Zahawi also seemed to play it down (though I am aware of the pitfalls of believing what a government minister has to say).
clint van damme
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So why have cases there dropped off as the vaccination program kicks in in your opinion?
David O'Day
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Which is why Whitty needs to show the science behind his claims.
At the moment you have an actual study that shows a decrease in over 65s and you have his claims that he isn't backing up with science.
If he is right he should publish the data
hill83
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Definitely, I can't be arsed to get into that until more information comes out though.
Yeah, depends which report you read I guess. I was going from that Politico article I attached.
ps EUs behaviour pretty poor on this. They haven’t even signed off on AZ vaccine yet don’t appear to be happy for supplies to be going to countries who have signed it off. Think their main current vaccine is Pfizer’s, so current slow roll out nothing to do with AZ. They only finalised purchased for doses of that in November as well
David O'Day
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That is part of my articles, they are demanding the full amount they ordered and are prepared to take it all the way to actually blocking exports.
It is not as the BBC stated they are going to block exports but they will is AZ keep trying to short change them by about 50m doses
It does seem AZ sold more than they could produce.
Can’t disagree. Israel report wasnt full data yet either though, presume that’s where annoyance came from
clint van damme
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Not data as such but this article goes into it a bit
Covid-19: Reports from Israel suggest one dose of Pfizer vaccine could be less effective than expected
Concerns have been raised over how much protection a single dose of the Pfizer BioNTech covid-19 vaccine provides, following reports from Israel that it is much lower than expected. Israel, which, like the UK, is currently in its third national lockdown, has so far vaccinated more than 75% of...
Brighton Sky Blue
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I would suppose because the vaccine has been effective in preventing those receiving it getting ill/symptomatic. FYI I am not claiming it won’t reduce transmission, I strongly think it will but I haven’t seen specific studies on it
David O'Day
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Not data as such but this article goes into it a bit
Covid-19: Reports from Israel suggest one dose of Pfizer vaccine could be less effective than expected
Concerns have been raised over how much protection a single dose of the Pfizer BioNTech covid-19 vaccine provides, following reports from Israel that it is much lower than expected. Israel, which, like the UK, is currently in its third national lockdown, has so far vaccinated more than 75% of...www.bmj.com
yeah and that doesn't deny it which is why need the actual data to say it isn't correct as one one side you have a study of 200k saying it may only reduce cases by 33% instead of 50 something % and on the other no data.
David O'Day
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Yeah you would maybe get a lot more a symptomatic cases amongst those who have bene vaccinated which is what you see with other vaccines.
It’s the timing of production and delivery though DOD. We signed off on 30 Dec, then it took two weeks to ramp up U.K. production. EU still haven’t signed off yet expect first quarter production to be as initially advised (same as the nosies we were making about our supply immediately after sign off). Pfizer having same challenges.
shmmeee
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i have been misinformed by Twitter. I’m shocked I tell you.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The Oxford studies early on showed it didn’t actually prevent infection as such, it just made the lab rats asymptomatic for the most part. Doesn’t help that efficacy seems to be defined differently according to whoever is talking
Otis
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clint van damme
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I think it might be in broadsheet form or used to be but it's a tabloid.
Sorry to piggy back, but could you send to me as well Pete please
Nick will be wanting commission at this rate !
tisza
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Shocker. Companies inflating their capabilities when doing deals with national Govts. Pfizer ,AZ both way down on the production numbers they sold Govts when they were taking the money last year.
Saddlebrains
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Im concerned. Somethings not right somewhere in regards to the oxford jab from the 'leaks' popping up
Brighton Sky Blue
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The published data is there for anyone to read, I don’t for a moment believe it is single figure efficacy
Saddlebrains
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I'm concerned by the government's stance also.
This vaccine was the best thing the worlds ever seen, and now a massive downplay seems to be happening from Hancock, Boris, Patel etc.
And its not like the tories to downplay things is it?
This vaccine was the best thing the worlds ever seen, and now a massive downplay seems to be happening from Hancock, Boris, Patel etc.
And its not like the tories to downplay things is it?
tisza
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Indecisive policies with inconsistent enforcement - recipe for disaster.
Brylowes
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That blame everyone else strategy
maybe they did take something away from all those Brexit negotiations with Boris.Brighton Sky Blue
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Get everyone two jabs and stay calm
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As you've mentioned, if it works in reducing the symptoms, that would do for the moment, and buy time to come up with some proper anti-viral over-the-counter stuff, anyway.
Does emphasise we all need to get vaccinated, mind you. Well, all who want it... the nutters can do what they feel like once everyone who wants a vaccine, has had one!
Brylowes
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It’s sounding like getting the vaccine from source is likely to be a problem.