I would still feel pretty confident in it being the best guess you're going to get, though. If you don't trust doctors, then I'm not surprised you feel upset at the thought of someone going into their care.
A doctors guess isn't an answer.
I would still feel pretty confident in it being the best guess you're going to get, though. If you don't trust doctors, then I'm not surprised you feel upset at the thought of someone going into their care.
I dont distrust doctors, I can question their logic behind the answer.. As the attachment above shows.. A doctors educated guess... Isn't an answer
I dont feel upset going into their care, I haven't said that once you made that up
We're circling here because you're wrong
It's worrying you will just take somebody's word as gospel because they went to uni and got a degree in that field (basically what you alluded to) , therfore I assume you trust the government completelyI know I don't
And that's really all I've said tbh... It's sad for some families who will never know either wayDoctors can issue a certificate on an assumption of Covid without any clinical tests so of course there will be some errors around individual deaths being recorded accurately
If your 99 year old mum dies and they put the cause of death as covid despite never testing positive... That's going be stressful for a family who want to know the truth.
I'd be bothered by it
Strange question tbh
You’re talking one or two random cases out of hundreds of thousands though. No data collection exercise is 100% accurate. The plural of anecdote isn’t fact, there’s no evidence of wide scale COVID death inflation and this is just people who previously denied COVID at all backpedaling now they can’t hold their previous position and using bereaved families to do that.
Cause of death isn’t simple. Have a read of this: https://assets.publishing.service.g...l-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf
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“the disease which initiated the train of morbid events” I.e. what triggered whatever killed them. You get hit by a car and car accident is your cause of death even though you may have died from blood loss, or organ failure, or something else. What cause that was the accident.
COVID is known to make existing conditions worse. It’s a fair judgement to say that someone who catches COVID and that worsens existing conditions has died of COVID.
Also remember that coroners will have been massively overwhelmed the last year and will be completing far more paperwork than ever and will be making snap judgements. That’s OK, again no data is 100%. But we’re talking maybe a few hundred cases at most out of 120k, taking even 1200 examples it’s only a 1% error rate.
Ita really a nothing story and if anything the skeptics using the grief and confusion of families to boost their nonsense are the bad guys here IMO.
So somebody has brought a variation in but they have no idea who...
Nice job.
Even lefties are talking about just how well this Boris-led Tory government is doing
Even lefties are talking about just how well our Tory government is doing
“FOR those who like to talk Britain down, the vaccination figures are shocking. “Twenty million first doses administered. A forward- thinking procurement plan. 🦠 Read our coronavirus live blog for …www.thesun.co.uk
But that wouldn't be included in the 28 days of a positive test figures would it ?Doctors can issue a certificate on an assumption of Covid without any clinical tests so of course there will be some errors around individual deaths being recorded accurately
This thing of the figures being wrong keeps coming up yet nobody seems able to explain what's causing the excess deaths in the more accurate ONS figures if not covid.
This thing of the figures being wrong keeps coming up yet nobody seems able to explain what's causing the excess deaths in the more accurate ONS figures if not covid.
No question as a country the vaccinations programme has been absolutely nailedYes mate, everyone's absolutely delighted with 130,000+ deaths. Go on Boris lad!
No question as a country the vaccinations programme has been absolutely nailed
because up until now there has never been a requirement to get a vaccination and a certificate of proof in order to travel, none whatsoever. It's a totally new concept!
Mutations happen when the virus is mingling. That’s the only matter. It has to be one of the considerations. I don’t know if that’s a genuine worry or a theoretical one. I have to tell myself not to worry as I can’t do anything about it
Even lefties are talking about just how well this Boris-led Tory government is doing
Even lefties are talking about just how well our Tory government is doing
“FOR those who like to talk Britain down, the vaccination figures are shocking. “Twenty million first doses administered. A forward- thinking procurement plan. 🦠 Read our coronavirus live blog for …www.thesun.co.uk
I would still feel pretty confident in it being the best guess you're going to get, though. If you don't trust doctors, then I'm not surprised you feel upset at the thought of someone going into their care.
Of course. No one is denying that (or they shouldn't be).
But that doesn't mean that everything up until the vaccination should be ignored or excused.
Also I think it shows how well things in this country can go when the relevant skilled and qualified people are in charge (i.e. the NHS) compared to handing jobs and contracts to mates and donors (i.e. PPE, Track and Trace).
What were the figures for cases like just after the 12th and 13th? They are putting out alerts for anyone who took a test and has not rceived their results then to call 119.
On the whole I trust doctors but it's also dangerous to think of them as infallible. You would at least in your own head question how can you put it down as Covid when they've not even been tested for it. Extreme example is Shipman - got away with hundreds of just saying 'old age'. Old age is not a cause of death - health complications related to old age are. It should be the medial professionals job to discover which complications were the cause of death (i.e. heart, renal failure etc)
I had doctors adamant that I must have diabetes or a thyroid problem - all the symptoms pointed to it. Tests all came back negative and have been repeated since. Still undiagnosed to this day and it's been years. I've just had to learn to live with it and do whatever I can to minimise the effects.
And that's really all I've said tbh... It's sad for some families who will never know either way
Even lefties are talking about just how well this Boris-led Tory government is doing
Even lefties are talking about just how well our Tory government is doing
“FOR those who like to talk Britain down, the vaccination figures are shocking. “Twenty million first doses administered. A forward- thinking procurement plan. 🦠 Read our coronavirus live blog for …www.thesun.co.uk
Think you’ve misunderstood.... ‘lefties’ are congratulating the NHS on the outstanding roll out of the vaccine programme. They are also wondering how much better test, track and trace would have been if they’d been able to do that instead of spaffing billions up the wall at Serco.
Even lefties are talking about just how well this Boris-led Tory government is doing
Even lefties are talking about just how well our Tory government is doing
“FOR those who like to talk Britain down, the vaccination figures are shocking. “Twenty million first doses administered. A forward- thinking procurement plan. 🦠 Read our coronavirus live blog for …www.thesun.co.uk
That’s because of that untraced person with the new variant.
Doing well on vaccines, definitely.
Everything else an absolute shit show.
Remember it 2ss this time last year Johnson missed 5 COBRA meetings on the trot, one because he went away for 5he weekend - any 'righties' care to comment on that?
Still gets in my throat how its NHS Track and Trace when it clearly isn't but the vaccination process is never referred to as NHS vaccination programme. For me it's a clear indication of where this govt intends to go with the health service - trying to distance private enterprise from the fuck ups but make sure the state provider is intrinsically linked but not giving it the due credit it deserves for arguably the one thing that has gone well.
Track and trace cost something like the entire GDP of Wales which went to the Government's mates and didn't stop another lockdown. It was a massive fuck up.I think that’s a little overly conspiratorial (is that a word ?!) SBD. The vaccine programme is clearly linked to the NHS and we all know GP practices are currently delivering a lion share of the doses as with flu jab every year. like everything though, there are various others involved in its successful rollout....logistically assistance was provided by the army and there’s been thousands/tens of thousands of public volunteers. One of the main reasons we have been able roll out at pace was due to procurement and Kate Bingham being in charge of it, which many in the media moaned was cronyism at the time (even though she did it for free). Compare that to PPE procurement which was shambolic albeit during unprecedented times. Finally the bold move by PHE/JVCI/government to roll out single doses to give at least provide partial protection appears (currently - don’t worry NW, I’m not getting ahead of myself) to have been a sensible decision....hopefully it remains that way
Test and trace bizarrely keeps getting brought up as this big failure when in actual it’s not at all. Initial tracing wasn’t good (and money wasted) but has since improved significantly. With hindsight it would’ve been better to have a central hub and then regional teams but either way significant resource/private sector assistance would’ve been required.
It’s the testing side of things which is where the billions go and its pretty impressive - daily capacity of 800k+ (87m in total) 90%+ turnaround in 24 hours, one of the best (if not the best) genomic sequencing in the world, which is now allowing us to spot variants and deploy surge asymptomatic testing in areas.
Both are decent examples of private and public sector working well in tandem
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