Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (149 Viewers)

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 29, 2021

SBAndy said:
There is no rational debate with you. Anyone that harbours even slight doubts or questions about the current situation is branded a “lockdown lover”. You’re incapable of empathy to others’ situations - you’ve demonstrated that enough times.

Literally no one has said we should remain locked down (not that we even are at the moment, don’t know whether you’ve noticed). All that’s said is that there are valid questions as to the impact of the Indian variant. The one that was hospitalising a significant number of young people over there just weeks ago. We’ve got three weeks to decide what to do, why not fucking learn from the past and use that time wisely.

But yeah, if that makes me a “lockdown lover” in your mind then sound. Go lick your neighbour or whatever you want to do.

Rational debate? Take a look around you. This thread, the politics one, the brexit one. The outcome is always the same and most sensible minded people don't get involved because the same people ruin and take over each and every one.

I haven't even called you a 'lockdown lover' but here you are getting all upset because I've pointed out that as soon as someone posts some potential good news about the pandemic, the same people come firing out of the cannons every time to try and knock it down.

The whole 'you don't have any empathy' line is lazy as well, and just demonstrates the only real counter arguments you have to my points are either outrage or insults.

Evo1883 · May 29, 2021

Anyway ..I asked before but the thread got too political at the time .

What are peoples thoughts on the growing opinion that the virus DID infact come from the lab in wuhan ?

It was ofcourse pushed away by media as a right wing Conspiracy when this all began

Sky Blue Pete · May 29, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Anyway ..I asked before but the thread got too political at the time .

What are peoples thoughts on the growing opinion that the virus DID infact come from the lab in wuhan ?

It was ofcourse pushed away by media as a right wing Conspiracy when this all began

Both the market and lab seem reasonable and plausible. Will we ever know?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 29, 2021

PVA said:
Your counter argument yesterday was 'you're a virgin'. Not exactly great debating skills.

My counter argument was actually to point out that you don't decide what media outlets are valid.

Evo1883 · May 29, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Both the market and lab seem reasonable and plausible. Will we ever know?

I doubt it ..

Brighton Sky Blue · May 29, 2021

Grendel said:
The guardian and the independent have had wretched columnists such as Polly Toynbee and Matthew Paris - they are absurd nonsense that have no interest in real world issues and lives

So in other words

Righty papers good, lefty ones bad

The Guardian being the only paper that bothered digging into Prince Charles’ meddling (which the Tories then directly stepped in to block further) puts them above most for me

PVA · May 29, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
My counter argument was actually to point out that you don't decide what media outlets are valid.

Impressive given you said that line before that conversation.

That was your counter argument, so don't go around saying other people don't have arguments when your response is a playground insult.

Grendel · May 29, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
So in other words

Righty papers good, lefty ones bad

The Guardian being the only paper that bothered digging into Prince Charles’ meddling (which the Tories then directly stepped in to block further) puts them above most for me

Never mentioned right wing papers

chiefdave · May 29, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Both the market and lab seem reasonable and plausible. Will we ever know?

Doubt we'll never know. China aren't exactly open about things at the best of times so if they have made a massive fuck up they aren't going to own up to it. The secrecy was the reason the US had an epidemiologist embedded in the disease control agency over there, so she could raise the alarm if something was happening but Trump got rid of that position a few months before covid was first detected.

Does seem a huge coincide that the Institute of Virology is in Wuhan and they were studying the risk of coronaviruses transferring from animals, and in particular bats, to humans. Partly funded by the US government. But coincidences do happen so without any actual evidence, and lets be honest if that existed it was likely destroyed long ago, we're never going to know for sure.

David O'Day · May 29, 2021

shmmeee said:
Thanks for that *checks notes* marketing executive who sent his children private.

Always good to hear from the man on the (significantly above average house price) street.

You’re as bad as O’Day for faux working class.

Faux? I'm the willenhall raised son of a labourer and a nurse, faux my fucking arse.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 29, 2021

PVA said:
Impressive given you said that line before that conversation.

That was your counter argument, so don't go around saying other people don't have arguments when your response is a playground insult.

I tried to converse with you reasonably and you were just dismissive. The same as you are now.

It doesn't matter if you don't read the Daily Mail, many people do. That means if they are scaremongering to get sales, it still counts as a valid media outlet. Piers Morgan is also a journalist, but because he is on twitter, does that not count?

If you cannot be an adult and have a normal conversation, and accept when someone has proved your point false, then what else is there other than playground insults? How can you sit there with a straight face and actually believe the media have not scaremongered even once. It's extremely bizarre.

Evo1883 · May 29, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I tried to converse with you reasonably and you were just dismissive. The same as you are now.

It doesn't matter if you don't read the Daily Mail, many people do. That means if they are scaremongering to get sales, it still counts as a valid media outlet. Piers Morgan is also a journalist, but because he is on twitter, does that not count?

If you cannot be an adult and have a normal conversation, and accept when someone has proved your point false, then what else is there other than playground insults? How can you sit there with a straight face and actually believe the media have not scaremongered even once. It's extremely bizarre.

They have, and it sells

PVA · May 29, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If you cannot be an adult and have a normal conversation, and accept when someone has proved your point false, then what else is there other than playground insults? How can you sit there with a straight face and actually believe the media have not scaremongered even once. It's extremely bizarre.

You're just chatting absolute rubbish now.

You didn't prove any point false at the point you brought out the playground insult. You made a post, I replied, you came back with a playground insult.

And please point out where I said the media have not scaremongered once.

You are fucking brilliant at taking 2+2 and making 846438 to get angry about something that literally isn't there.

Skybluefaz · May 29, 2021

Anyon

Evo1883 said:
Let's just keep it real like the Sunday sport View attachment 20307

I heard it was Wotsits. You can't trust anything nowadays can you?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 29, 2021

PVA said:
You're just chatting absolute rubbish now.

You didn't prove any point false at the point you brought out the playground insult. You made a post, I replied, you came back with a playground insult.

And please point out where I said the media have not scaremongered once.

You are fucking brilliant at taking 2+2 and making 846438 to get angry about something that literally isn't there.

You said the media have reported the pandemic responsibly. I said I disagree and pointed to an article someone else posted as an example.

Now you are playing semantics and saying 'I never said they didn't scaremonger once'. In which case what are you arguing about? Have you actually got nothing better to do? Just because I proved your point invalid, you have now tried to move the goalposts. That concludes our conversation.

You are the angriest person on the off topic board anyway, so I'm not sure why you are trying to paint me with that brush either.

PVA · May 29, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You said the media have reported the pandemic responsibly. I said I disagree and pointed to an article someone else posted as an example.

Now you are playing semantics and saying 'I never said they didn't scaremonger once'. In which case what are you arguing about? Have you actually got nothing better to do? Just because I proved your point invalid, you have now tried to move the goalposts. That concludes our conversation.

You are the angriest person on the off topic board anyway, so I'm not sure why you are trying to paint me with that brush either.

This laughable from start to finish.

It's not semantics. I never said the media haven't scaremongered once. Never claimed to have said that. Once again, you're reading what isn't there. You need to digest things slowly before you work yourself up and respond in a rage.

I'm angry? You're the one outraged about an imaginary argument of locking down forever

I don't care that you called anyone a virgin but don't get upset when someone calls you an imbecile. Don't give it if you can't take it, basic playground rule.

CCFCSteve · May 29, 2021

Cases down to just under 3,400. Fingers crossed everyone !

hill83 · May 29, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
Cases down to just under 3,400. Fingers crossed everyone !

Evo1883 · May 29, 2021

hill83 said:
View attachment 20308

You forgot to put a picture of a few people at a pub that caused everything to go this way.

So everybody can hate pub goers

hill83 · May 29, 2021

For the record I'm not doubting that cases are rising over the week or mocking anyone affected by Covid just laughing the the daily mail

hill83 · May 29, 2021

Evo1883 said:
You forgot to put a picture of a few people at a pub that caused everything to go this way.

So everybody can hate pub goers

I miss Nicks supermarket sweep rants actually. Bring blaming Aldi back.

Evo1883 · May 29, 2021

hill83 said:
I miss Nicks supermarket sweep rants actually. Bring blaming Aldi back.

I know fucking wankers buying cheap food so they can eat ..covidiots

clint van damme · May 29, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
Cases down to just under 3,400. Fingers crossed everyone !

I'm confident we'll be OK. The scientists have to treat every new variant as a potentially more severe threat until they have some workable data in. (Imagine if they just dismissed them all and one turned out to be resistant to the vaccines they get strung up), but fingers crossed nothing will see the need to deviate from the current road map.

Evo1883 · May 29, 2021

CCFCSteve · May 29, 2021

hill83 said:
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Agree, what a crazy headline ! They should be highlighting that after two days of jumps case numbers might’ve settled a little. They love a bit of drama though ! As has been said before, all down to hospitalisations anyway

SBT · May 29, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Anyway ..I asked before but the thread got too political at the time .

What are peoples thoughts on the growing opinion that the virus DID infact come from the lab in wuhan ?

It was ofcourse pushed away by media as a right wing Conspiracy when this all began

I’m not sure there’s growing evidence for the lab theory, it’s more just that it’s been legitimised by the news that parts of the US intel community are leaning that way - and they’re not confident on any of the current theories. I think it would have been taken a lot more seriously had it not been pushed by people with seriously dubious motivations and track records.

Anyway, the fact that more than a year on there’s still no consensus tells me that we’ll probably never know either way. Nor do I think much would change if it was proven one way or the other, sadly.

Marty · May 29, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Anyway ..I asked before but the thread got too political at the time .

What are peoples thoughts on the growing opinion that the virus DID infact come from the lab in wuhan ?

It was ofcourse pushed away by media as a right wing Conspiracy when this all began

In other news, man invents wheel.

Sky Blue Pete · May 29, 2021

3400 probably quite high for Saturday but lower than yesterday

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 29, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Rational debate? Take a look around you. This thread, the politics one, the brexit one. The outcome is always the same and most sensible minded people don't get involved because the same people ruin and take over each and every one.

I haven't even called you a 'lockdown lover' but here you are getting all upset because I've pointed out that as soon as someone posts some potential good news about the pandemic, the same people come firing out of the cannons every time to try and knock it down.

The whole 'you don't have any empathy' line is lazy as well, and just demonstrates the only real counter arguments you have to my points are either outrage or insults.

It's a lot more you taking a hint of caution from an expert and going into "they're scaremongering and want us locked down forever" and anyone who points out it's their job to be cautious is a 'lockdown lover'.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 29, 2021

Grendel said:
Never mentioned right wing papers

Why not? Because mention the quality of their columnist didn't support your bad leftie papers argument? Fact is they've all got their fair share of shit. Not there because of the quality of what they write but the reaction they get.

PVA · May 29, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's a lot more you taking a hint of caution from an expert and going into "they're scaremongering and want us locked down forever" and anyone who points out it's their job to be cautious is a 'lockdown lover'.

Exactly! Haven't seen anyone knock down positive news, but have seen people over react to cautious news .

Brighton Sky Blue · May 29, 2021

Grendel said:
Never mentioned right wing papers

Except for ‘the excellent Dan Hodges’

Brighton Sky Blue · May 29, 2021

PVA said:
Exactly! Haven't seen anyone knock down positive news, but have seen people over react to cautious news .

Got quite a lot riding on them not substantially delaying full reopening to be fair.

David O'Day · May 30, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Got quite a lot riding on them not substantially delaying full reopening to be fair.

I think you'll be OK mate.

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SkyBlueCharlie9 · May 30, 2021

Grendel said:
In some areas of bolton 1 in 4 have refused the vaccine. Individual lock down of communities who refuse to behave responsibly may be an option

Partly due to right wing groups and other racist t***s deliberately spreading fear about what is in the vaccine to make some ethnic groups worry and not take it. Disgusting.

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