Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (60 Viewers)

[hill83]

What precautions can individuals take?

Only breathe out

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

tbf, of all the surprising things to come out of recent changes in the guidelines, is that baldy would be one of my preferred travelling companions!

 

[COV]

They can restrict their own movements, self isolate, not go anywhere that social distancing indoors may be compromised, order all food to be delivered to their homes?

Basically accept that other people won’t be cautious and in the absence of any kind of formal guidelines from the powers that be, be forced to just lock themselves away, sounds great

 

[Grendel]

So as long as they’re well off and working from home they’re fine. What about the other 60% of the country? Risk is shared, bubbling doesn’t work, we learned that first time around. Risk is shared in a pandemic, even if it upsets your teenage political sensibilities.

A lot of the country - those in manufacturing- have worked through the whole pandemic

surely we are all in it together - or are supermarket workers, pubs, track workers collateral damage in the white collar worker eyes?

soon you’ll be whining at having to lay higher taxation - oh hold on you already have

 

[chiefdave]

Quite surprised that given how much talk there was of the mental health impact caused by restrictions the advise to people who are anxious about the rapid rise in cases is to never leave the house.

Is nobody concerned about the mental health of others now they're allowed to go to the pub?

 

[Grendel]

Quite surprised that given how much talk there was of the mental health impact caused by restrictions the advise to people who are anxious about the rapid rise in cases is to never leave the house.

Is nobody concerned about the mental health of others now they're allowed to go to the pub?

What if you were in a job where you’ve worked the whole pandemic? Don’t you think staring at home increases paranoia and fear?

 

[COV]

Quite surprised that given how much talk there was of the mental health impact caused by restrictions the advise to people who are anxious about the rapid rise in cases is to never leave the house.

Is nobody concerned about the mental health of others now they're allowed to go to the pub?

There isn’t any ‘official’ advice for anyone is there? I’m not one of the ones feeling anxious but it’s going to be a terrible position to be in. And you’re right- we were bombarded last year with advice for those suffering mental health issues because of lockdown, now though it seems to be “if you don’t like it just stay inside”.

Tactic seems to be herd immunity now, which will work as we do actually have a vaccine.

I remember last year the ruckus about herd immunity, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I could probably guess the people on here who thought that was a great idea with no vaccine

 

[shmmeee]

What if you were in a job where you’ve worked the whole pandemic? Don’t you think staring at home increases paranoia and fear?

It’s not a paranoia if there’s actually a pandemic on.

 

[hill83]

I’m all over the place here pretty much agreeing with everyone. I’m off to the pub.

 

[Grendel]

It’s not a paranoia if there’s actually a pandemic on.

where I work the whole estate has worked all through it - there’s zero mention of it and the mindset is totally different to what I see on here

 

[hill83]

What if you were in a job where you’ve worked the whole pandemic? Don’t you think staring at home increases paranoia and fear?

Perfect example of that is people in my team at work. Scared to get back in the office. They’ve not left their homes for months. I’ve dipped in an out the office the whole pandemic and it’s absolutely fine.

 

[COV]

where I work the whole estate has worked all through it - there’s zero mention of it and the mindset is totally different to what I see on here

If you don’t mind me asking where do you work? No problem if you don’t want to say, there are some crackpots on here

 

[Grendel]

If you don’t mind me asking where do you work? No problem if you don’t want to say, there are some crackpots on here

I work in a manufacturing company and every company around it and in estates of its type has hardly furloughed anyone or shut down at all

I’ve been in every day since I joined

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They can restrict their own movements, self isolate, not go anywhere that social distancing indoors may be compromised, order all food to be delivered to their homes?

What if you were in a job where you’ve worked the whole pandemic? Don’t you think staring at home increases paranoia and fear?

So what is your argument?

You started off saying individuals can take precautions by staying home etc and are now going completely against that by saying loads of people had to work through the pandemic.

What if you want to take precautions but your job doesn't let you?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

There's not necessarily a cause and effect though, is there? I know at my workplace they asked initially for views, and those who were keenest to go in (including a couple of them who were struggling with isolation etc) were the ones who ended up going in, so they were less worried at that point, and therefore more likely to be asked to go in in the first place.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The age profile of hospitalised people of the delta variant is much lower than the previous variant isn’t it?

Regardless, why would this be impacting your mates and not the millions of elderly we’ve just vaccinated? The vaccine is clearly working as the disconnect between cases and deaths has shown.

It will be affecting younger people because they are last to get vaccinated. It's still largely has little affect on those people though.

 

[Grendel]

So what is your argument?

You started off saying individuals can take precautions by staying home etc and are now going completely against that by saying loads of people had to work through the pandemic.

What if you want to take precautions but your job doesn't let you?

well my job would let me…I have the choice others don’t - how can shop floor workers have a choice and their mental health seems fine

 

[chiefdave]

What if you were in a job where you’ve worked the whole pandemic? Don’t you think staring at home increases paranoia and fear?

I presume you mean a job that can't be done from home. Aren't you arguing against your own point here? If you were working in Tesco and worried about getting covid you would be very happy if the government did a u-turn and said masks are still required in shops and some attempt at social distancing in stores was going to be maintained.

You may well be right that staying at home could make things worse but I'm not sure you can label it paranoia when there's a pandemic on and cases, hospitalisations and deaths all rising.

I'm CV and my Dad is CEV. He's not left the house in 18 months on doctors advise and now with the numbers all going the wrong way people like him, who despite being vaccinated could be in big trouble if they caught covid, are being told its back to 'normal'. I'm sure there's a lot of people for who making that switch overnight isn't easy. Just telling them to never leave the house isn't the answer.

I already had that conversation with my Mum last night who was in tears saying she doesn't feel it will ever be safe to leave the house again after the governments most recent announcement. What am I supposed to say when she's talking about people like them being forgotten about, written off and left to die?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Since when did age and health stop people contracting covid?

It doesn't.

The effects of it are significantly different though. Young people are largely unaffected by it compared to older persons.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

how can shop floor workers have a choice and their mental health seems fine

Hmm, depends who you talk to, tbf. I can point you to some whose mental health certainly *isn't*, and who certainly aren't happy at the lack of masks in their workplace...

 

[COV]

It doesn't.

The effects of it are significantly different though. Young people are largely unaffected by it compared to older persons.

What is your point then if it all seems ‘strange’ that your friends were laid up?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I already had that conversation with my Mum last night who was in tears saying she doesn't feel it will ever be safe to leave the house again after the governments most recent announcement. What am I supposed to say when she's talking about people like them being forgotten about, written off and left to die?

Yeah it's difficult psychologically. My parents have just started getting out and about, but are now a bit nervy again going forward from 19th July. With all the mantra about the economy, I'm not convinced that making masks voluntary actually helps. Psychologically, that could restrict business to an extent, especially as wearing a mask doesn't stop you spending money. I'm sure they looked into it before they made the decision they did, but I'd have strongly thought there was a psychological argument that phased, leaving masks there for a month or two, could have been more reassuring and actually increased consumer confidence.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

well my job would let me…I have the choice others don’t - how can shop floor workers have a choice and their mental health seems fine

Exactly.

You're saying individuals can make decisions to avoid others when many clearly can't, and with everything opening up and other businesses wanting workers back in that choice is going to disappear for many others.

So apparently the advice is make your own mind up if you want to go out even though you don't have that choice and have to? Or is their option to quit their job (which most in those types of roles can't afford to do?)

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What is your point then if it all seems ‘strange’ that your friends were laid up?

People really get jumpy on this thread and I'm not sure why when all I have said is that my mates were fine throughout the whole pandemic and some of them have got ill since having the vaccine.

I'm not trying to build up a conspiracy or something, just sharing that it feels weird it has been the case.

 

[chiefdave]

Isn't there another potential workplace issue? If we're letting covid run rampant and happily letting covid numbers spiral on the basis you 'only' get it bad enough to need a couple of weeks in bed or a quick stay in hospital how many businesses can cope with a covid outbreak leading to a significant percentage of their workforce being off work for a few weeks at the same time?

I know my company couldn't cope with that and they aren't risking it. Every day you go into the office you have to be able to produce a negative test from that morning or the night before. But from what it being posted on here some companies are happily operating while making no attempt to mitigate the risks.

 

[Grendel]

I presume you mean a job that can't be done from home. Aren't you arguing against your own point here? If you were working in Tesco and worried about getting covid you would be very happy if the government did a u-turn and said masks are still required in shops and some attempt at social distancing in stores was going to be maintained.

You may well be right that staying at home could make things worse but I'm not sure you can label it paranoia when there's a pandemic on and cases, hospitalisations and deaths all rising.

I'm CV and my Dad is CEV. He's not left the house in 18 months on doctors advise and now with the numbers all going the wrong way people like him, who despite being vaccinated could be in big trouble if they caught covid, are being told its back to 'normal'. I'm sure there's a lot of people for who making that switch overnight isn't easy. Just telling them to never leave the house isn't the answer.

I already had that conversation with my Mum last night who was in tears saying she doesn't feel it will ever be safe to leave the house again after the governments most recent announcement. What am I supposed to say when she's talking about people like them being forgotten about, written off and left to die?

You are literally proving my point about paranoia - I have no idea how old your parents are but I know workers of 70 who have worked through and show none of those fears at all

 

[Grendel]

Isn't there another potential workplace issue? If we're letting covid run rampant and happily letting covid numbers spiral on the basis you 'only' get it bad enough to need a couple of weeks in bed or a quick stay in hospital how many businesses can cope with a covid outbreak leading to a significant percentage of their workforce being off work for a few weeks at the same time?

I know my company couldn't cope with that and they aren't risking it. Every day you go into the office you have to be able to produce a negative test from that morning or the night before. But from what it being posted on here some companies are happily operating while making no attempt to mitigate the risks.

We’ve had 3 Covid outbreaks none of the people who haven’t got it have to stay at home

 

[Grendel]

Exactly.

You're saying individuals can make decisions to avoid others when many clearly can't, and with everything opening up and other businesses wanting workers back in that choice is going to disappear for many others.

So apparently the advice is make your own mind up if you want to go out even though you don't have that choice and have to? Or is their option to quit their job (which most in those types of roles can't afford to do?)

What job do you do?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We’ve had 3 Covid outbreaks none of the people who haven’t got it have to stay at home

So not following the law??? Don’t understand

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So not following the law??? Don’t understand

Or... it suggests they've been a good employer with excellent practices, and does make an assumption everybody comes up to their high standards.

 

[chiefdave]

You are literally proving my point about paranoia - I have no idea how old your parents are but I know workers of 70 who have worked through and show none of those fears at all

How is it paranoia when the doctor has spent 18 months telling him its not safe to leave the house? He, like many other who are CEV, have been told that even post vaccination the impact of getting covid could be very serious and potentially fatal.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

How is it paranoia when the doctor has spent 18 months telling him its not safe to leave the house? He, like many other who are CEV, have been told that even post vaccination the impact of getting covid could be very serious and potentially fatal.

That's absolutely heartbreaking. I'm so sorry to hear that. Right or wrong, if a doctor says that of course it is going to be on your mind.

 

[Grendel]

So not following the law??? Don’t understand

Er yes if they are socially distanced and not together for more then 15 minutes. Factories don’t close when someone is positive

 

[Grendel]

How is it paranoia when the doctor has spent 18 months telling him its not safe to leave the house? He, like many other who are CEV, have been told that even post vaccination the impact of getting covid could be very serious and potentially fatal.

But in that situation how can it ever be avoided by any government action as the risk is always now going to exist

 

[shmmeee]

But in that situation how can it ever be avoided by any government action as the risk is always now going to exist

Why do you think we’re the first country to lift restrictions when cases are rising at this rate?