fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
The vaccine sceptics will make up a disproportionate number of the deaths from here on, they'll no doubt claim it's a conspiracy
The vaccine sceptics will make up a disproportionate number of the deaths from here on, they'll no doubt claim it's a conspiracySeen a few of these over the weekend. You'd hope it would get the message through about getting a vaccine. The nutters will probably be selling it as government assassinations designed to scare people into being sheep or some bullshit.
Unfortunately unless one of the high profile sceptics get it and is repentant on their death bed cases like these are going to keep coming.Seen a few of these over the weekend. You'd hope it would get the message through about getting a vaccine. The nutters will probably be selling it as government assassinations designed to scare people into being sheep or some bullshit.
Left wing people sounding very right wingstop it you're more confused than scooby doo
Educate , urge , reassure ...never force
We've done this before anyway so I'm not doing again
Some people I wouldn't want round my children with power that's for sure
You'd have alot of explaining to do if something went wrong ... wouldn't you really
While I agree with your general argument these people do need educating.
Have you seen the arguments they're putting forward for not having it? Absolutely bonkers.
Look at some of the stuff the family of the clown who died mentioned in the posts above have said he was into.
And they do have to keep inventing them. I have a mate who’s into them and he’ll say he’s not getting the vaccine because of “X”, that gets debunked so it’s now because of “Y”. A couple of months ago he came out with the line it killed most of the animals it was tested on so I pointed out to him that’s what they do in animal testing, test the subject until destruction. I sent him a load of stuff from animal rights charities explaining how they sedate the subject, cut them open and watch what happens to organs while they keep increasing the dose until they die, they want to see what effects it has on their organs etc, what are the breaking points. Even then when whatever they’re testing doesn’t kill them the procedure of being cut open and left open can or they simply put them to sleep at the end of the procedure. So he goes away and thinks about it then comes back with something else a couple of weeks later. His last one was synthetic acid, they put synthetic acid in the vaccine and it’s toxic. So I google synthetic acids and they’re in everything, from alcoholic beverages to processed food to even the vinegar you put on your chips. Send him that and he’ll be back again with something else. There’s no line in the sand with some of these people. One line gets dismissed they draw a new one, repeat repeat repeat. He started out as a Covid denier, then him and his Mrs got it, his Mrs even has long Covid. That conspiracy theory is dismissed so it’s on to the next one, anti-vax. I think some people just can’t admit that they were wrong so if they can cling onto a thread of they were right in some way they’re still right. In their mind.IMO the vaccine and covid sceptics are simply scared and unable to face up to the reality of the pandemic and have to invent stories and conspiracies as a way in which to cope with everything and believe that it’s somehow under control by someone/people.
They are absolutely bonkers yes , the problem is if you take the choice away from them and then they have an adverse reaction and die ...who pays for that ... as rare as it may be there are still a few thousand dead around the world .
People are not just disposable for the greater good , without them agreeing to the risk and doing what they choose to do.
You've got to have consent
But People are disposable Via the escape from the vaccine continued onward transmission post vaccine and vaccine deniers.They are absolutely bonkers yes , the problem is if you take the choice away from them and then they have an adverse reaction and die ...who pays for that ... as rare as it may be there are still a few thousand dead around the world .
People are not just disposable for the greater good , without them agreeing to the risk and doing what they choose to do.
You've got to have consent
Not conflating at all , I said left wing people basically acting very authoritarian , which is by definition weird right ?You give them the choice to not have it > they go out and get infected > they go to hospital and either die or take up a bed and resources
You give them the choice to not have it > they go out and get infected > they infect others who also chose not to have it > they go to hospital and either die or take up a bed and resources
The self inflicted stupidity is fine up to the point where it impacts on everyone else. You’re also conflating being right wing with being authoritarian
Not conflating at all , I said left wing people basically acting very authoritarian
How about just doing what is best societally like the huge majority of humans,one to another.Not conflating at all , I said left wing people basically acting very authoritarian , which is by definition weird right ?
How about just doing what is best societally like the huge majority of humans,one to another.
Yes I agree, I just want to understand the mindsets.I agree , educate people , urge people , don't force them
Yes I agree, I just want to understand the mindsets.
Not conflating at all , I said left wing people basically acting very authoritarian , which is by definition weird right ?
Unfortunately unless one of the high profile sceptics get it and is repentant on their death bed cases like these are going to keep coming.
No because authoritarian/libertarian is distinct from left and right.
I agree , educate people , urge people , don't force them
Who is suggesting forcing anyone?
No one has to work in healthcare or with vulnerable populations.
When I started teaching I was told by my school to remove my tongue piericing and my parter to remove her dyed hair. We could have chosen another school or another career but decided we wanted to work their more than we wanted to keep our styles. Totally our choice, no force involved.
But they already are, have beenYou have on more than one occasion suggested taking people's freedoms off them if they refuse ..no different in my eyes
You also argued for mandatory vaccines on here which is exactly the same
But they already are, have been
Take travel for instance.
Or trying to demand home workers return to the office
I remember being told that if I didn't like people not wearing a mask on a train, to not take a train then. That's dictating to *me* what to do, so I'm assuming that's *not* OK either, then?
Well what should happen ? If the current rules state you have to wear a mask then I'm assuming everybody will have to mask up .
If not then you can only look after yourself surely , assess the risk , sit away from people , protect yourself ..
You also have the added knowledge that probably over 50/60% of people on that train or more have been jabbed
So, if the rules change to insist on a vaccination to go to a pub, then happy days eh, as that'll be the rules and that's what people will do. It'd make it a lot more relaxed for me to go to a pub like that too... rather than having my liberties restricted by loons who decide they know better than public health experts.Well what should happen ? If the current rules state you have to wear a mask then I'm assuming everybody will have to mask up .
If not then you can only look after yourself surely , assess the risk , sit away from people , protect yourself ..
You also have the added knowledge that probably over 50/60% of people on that train or more have been jabbed
In my current situation my missus can have covid but because I'm double jabbed I have to go to work .. in itself that's crazy but it is the rules with my work
Not entirely, right wing is generally a libertarian take on economics (leave it all alone and let the market work it out as individuals know their circumstances best), left wing is authoritarian (people need taxing and money spending on group priorities).
Didn't the Euros start Scotland's problem, don't think that was around mask wearing as it was next to non existent , then they're back at school for the last fortnight .Also given that Scotland is now the hotspot of infections and insists on mask wearing if I was than concerned I’d question the ability it has to prevent infection
As an aside surely the rest of the U.K. must put Scotland now on the red zone and bam it’s inhabitants from crossing the border?
Wednesday and Sunday... kits are free
So, if the rules change to insist on a vaccination to go to a pub, then happy days eh, as that'll be the rules and that's what people will do. It'd make it a lot more relaxed for me to go to a pub like that too... rather than having my liberties restricted by loons who decide they know better than public health experts.
Funny how freedom, and liberties, chime with what individuals want and they're happy to stamp over others' freedoms and liberties, if they have a different perspective...
There are enough academic journal articles about how it slows transmission. Back in those happy days when it looked like all restrictions would go, before I'd had a vaccine, it was suck it up from a certain section of society. I'd sincerely hope that isn't going to be the same section now crying because they might have to suck up getting a vaccine to do certain things.Didn't the Euros start Scotland's problem, don't think that was around mask wearing as it was next to non existent , then they're back at school for the last fortnight .
I've no real info on just how effective a mask is, but suspect it's a low% and possibly as much about reassurance.
I agree , educate people , urge people , don't force them
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?