Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You’re comparing a man who ordered the murder of millions of people to a policy aimed at those refusing to get vaccinated for the greater good in a global pandemic.
Get some perspective.

If I hadn´t made that comment the responses on here would still be the same.

People won´t denounce it and it is disgusting.

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I don't agree with the policy. I just don't think it's remotely comparable to the Nuremberg Laws.

How did that all start?

 

[Grendel]

Really disappointing to see you apologise for such a policy.

Although I am against it adult take up in the vaccine across most countries is poor

These people themselves are selfish and if it’s normality and they face restrictions then it has to be.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If I hadn´t made that comment the responses on here would still be the same.

People won´t denounce it and it is disgusting.

Just look up the page man

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How did that all start?

The better question is where do you see it ultimately going? The unvaccinated in concentration camps?

 

[clint van damme]

If I hadn´t made that comment the responses on here would still be the same.

People won´t denounce it and it is disgusting.

Me and Brighton have denounced it in the last few posts, we just don't agree with your reach comparing it to the nazis.

 

[Grendel]

this is “the thinking”

Kansas anti-vaxxers condemned for comparing vaccine mandates to the Holocaust

Republican state lawmakers and anti-vaccine protesters have made comments comparing the vaccine mandate to the murder of more than six million Jews by the Nazis

www.google.co.uk

 

[Grendel]

The better question is where do you see it ultimately going? The unvaccinated in concentration camps?

The fact is most clog up in hospitals now is the anti vaccine brigade but they will rightly be treated in hospital however they have to acknowledge their actions are selfish

 

[fernandopartridge]

Tbh I'm not a huge fan of mandated vaccinations but on the other hand they're no worse than enforced lockdown of the whole population regardless of risk at individual level.

If I was working in ICU I'd be pretty pissed off having to treat unvaccinated people. I'd also be pretty pissed off if I lived in the 2nd / 3rd world with no access to a vaccine.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The fact is most clog up in hospitals now is the anti vaccine brigade but they will rightly be treated in hospital however they have to acknowledge their actions are selfish

These are the same types of people as those who go into Covid wards and intimidate the nurses and patients. The delicate balancing act though is offering the virus a much greater chance of combining higher transmissibility with higher fatality, and allowing large swathes of unvaccinated to go about their merry business.

At least much more people over here have backed the pioneering science over pioneering nonsense

 

[COV]

Austria looks down the unvaccinated. It's like Hitler never left.

I'm not sure how anyone can be alright with that. Shame on them.

Assuming you mean Austria looks down “on” the unvaccinated, don’t you think equating the situation with the holocaust is taking your victim/ persecution complex to something of an extreme?

 

[Grendel]

In a way the apartheid comparison is more crass than Adolf nonsense as the real apartheid is the distribution of vaccines to the haves and denying the have nots

 

[skybluetony176]

THE NAZIS ARE COMING TO GET US. ARGH!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Assuming you mean Austria looks down “on” the unvaccinated, don’t you think equating the situation with the holocaust is taking your victim/ persecution complex to something of an extreme?

He meant 'locks down'

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If they must, I'd rather they did the unvaccinated than the old, the people with medical issues, the over 50s, over 40s...

At least unvaccinated people have a choice.

 

[COV]

He meant 'locks down'

Ah ok.

Same point remains anyway- trying to compare the unvaccinated with victims of the holocaust is beyond pathetic

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If they must, I'd rather they did the unvaccinated than the old, the people with medical issues, the over 50s, over 40s...

At least unvaccinated people have a choice.

Not all of them, it must be said. But a pretty low % I imagine

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not all of them, it must be said. But a pretty low % I imagine

I'd assume that people with a genuine medical reason will have some exemption. tbh it's a different kettle of fish with those people, they deserve every sympathy and assistance in keeping them safe and allowing them as normal a life as possible... and that, after all, is why we're using vaccines for the rest of us, isn't it.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Assuming you mean Austria looks down “on” the unvaccinated, don’t you think equating the situation with the holocaust is taking your victim/ persecution complex to something of an extreme?

Thank God you are here.

I did not compare it to the holocaust, so you can get fucked. I compared this policy to something Hitler would implement. I presume you think it is ok though?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The better question is where do you see it ultimately going? The unvaccinated in concentration camps?

I have no idea, but when this first started and I said it could lead to a two tier society, people laughed and called me a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Grendel]

I have no idea, but when this first started and I said it could lead to a two tier society, people laughed and called me a conspiracy theorist.

Well everyone has a choice and I assume you’d extend that choice to someone who is vulnerable and doesn’t want to share an enclosed space with an anti vaxxer so what do you do?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I have no idea, but when this first started and I said it could lead to a two tier society, people laughed and called me a conspiracy theorist.

A two tier society by the voluntary refusal of a free, potentially life saving vaccine that has largely been denied to poorer nations. It's nowhere near comparable to 1930s eugenics

 

[Sick Boy]

I have no idea, but when this first started and I said it could lead to a two tier society, people laughed and called me a conspiracy theorist.

If everyone had the same mindset as the novaxx, we’d either be in never ending yearly lockdowns or 100s of 1000s dying on a yearly basis.

 

[COV]

Thank God you are here.

I did not compare it to the holocaust, so you can get fucked. I compared this policy to something Hitler would implement. I presume you think it is ok though?

If people are mad & weird enough to think that being asked to have a vaccine is comparable to being persecuted by Hitler, I’d say they need to expect a degree of special treatment- which shouldn’t have to happen. But for as long as there are crazy conspiracy theorists around there will have to be measures to protect the normal people in society.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If everyone had the same mindset as the novaxx, we’d either be in never ending yearly lockdowns or 100s of 1000s dying on a yearly basis.

I didn't think that well over a century on from the work of Pasteur, Jenner and their contemporaries, who had to present their work to a far less informed and more scientifically sceptical audience, there'd be anything like this much misinformation and disinformation still going on. Can only imagine people from that time where infectious disease was rampant even in wealthier nations looking on at their descendants rejecting prevention, never mind the cure.

 

[COV]

I didn't think that well over a century on from the work of Pasteur, Jenner and their contemporaries, who had to present their work to a far less informed and more scientifically sceptical audience, there'd be anything like this much misinformation and disinformation still going on. Can only imagine people from that time where infectious disease was rampant even in wealthier nations looking on at their descendants rejecting prevention, never mind the cure.

I don’t think there is necessarily any increase in misinformation, more that there is an increase in weirdo conspiracy theorists who think everything means “tHeYrE tRyinG tO cOnTRol mE”

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t think there is necessarily any increase in misinformation, more that there is an increase in weirdo conspiracy theorists who think everything means “tHeYrE tRyinG tO cOnTRol mE”

Looking at the financial and other resources being pumped in to anti-vaccine propaganda even pre COVID, I'm not so sure. The scientist in me gets a bit angry seeing blase dismissal of cutting edge work built off decades of advances made by those who came before.

 

[COV]

Looking at the financial and other resources being pumped in to anti-vaccine propaganda even pre COVID, I'm not so sure. The scientist in me gets a bit angry seeing blase dismissal of cutting edge work built off decades of advances made by those who came before.

There’s as much info the other way though- in this day and age we have more info at our fingertips than at any other time ever- everyone has access to whatever research they want, and the anti-vaxxer stuff is pretty obviously usually the work of cranks. And yet still some people, no matter what the stats, the facts, the info- they still choose to think it’s all some giant plan to ‘restrict my freedom’

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I don’t think there is necessarily any increase in misinformation, more that there is an increase in weirdo conspiracy theorists who think everything means “tHeYrE tRyinG tO cOnTRol mE”

Well given so many more people are literate and the many different ways we can disseminate information around the globe in seconds there pretty much has to be an increase in misinformation.

Besides, isn't an increase in weirdo conspiracy theorists an increase in misinformation?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There’s as much info the other way though- in this day and age we have more info at our fingertips than at any other time ever- everyone has access to whatever research they want, and the anti-vaxxer stuff is pretty obviously usually the work of cranks. And yet still some people, no matter what the stats, the facts, the info- they still choose to think it’s all some giant plan to ‘restrict my freedom’

You say that but many millions around the world believe it quite seriously.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

In a way the apartheid comparison is more crass than Adolf nonsense as the real apartheid is the distribution of vaccines to the haves and denying the have nots

Isn't unequal distribution of resources for the haves and have nots the entire basis of your political beliefs? If we followed right-wing politics the vaccines would have been on auction to the highest bidder and then have been charged for by the medical professionals and what we'd have is some extremely wealthy pharma/medical companies and a hell of a lot more dead poorer people.

 

[baldy]

The fact is most clog up in hospitals now is the anti vaccine brigade but they will rightly be treated in hospital however they have to acknowledge their actions are selfish

Surely the clog up now is people that haven’t been treated because the NHS took preference over covid than everything else

 

[baldy]

Mrs Wisdom had hers. tbh the biggest challenge was the inept admin of her doctor's! She got a rash for a day which may or may not have been related, but no side effects other than that. My Dad had zero side effects - so much so I wouldn't believe he'd had it, and forced him to show me his NHS record!

Couldn‘t you just believe him instead of demanding to see his record?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Couldn‘t you just believe him instead of demanding to see his record?

Couldn't you gain a sense of humour?

 

[robbiekeane]

Austria looks down the unvaccinated. It's like Hitler never left.

You are a fucking disgrace. You’ll look back on this and be embarrassed and rightfully so.

Got to be the lowest comment I’ve ever seen on here and that is some doing.