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CCFCSteve

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I don't think the NHS or ONS have these figures. As they have never properly studied anti bodies or infection type.

Remember a positive LFT doesn't mean you have it. Yet we count LTF's in figures. a lot of people claim they had covid but that doesn't prove anything.

working on Javids numbers. you would hit the whole population being infected by Christmas. So in theory yes it could burn it self out. Like it looks to have done in SA. Was this predicted a very early on that in history a virus will mutate and become easier to spread but less dangerous ?


Sky did a bit about the numbers. ignore the guy tweeting it



The recent modelling on the new variant is all guesswork. There just isn’t the data. As I mentioned yesterday, even when there was decent data on delta variant the modellers best case scenarios were way off (overstated)

My issue isn’t the modellers as such, as long as they caveat their work, its their best estimate...it’s government, SAGE etc taking it as fact and the media then repeating it as fact and hyping it up. The review into start of pandemic highlighted the major problem of groupthink in SAGE, gov etc...I don’t think much has changed

The lack of transparency of certain elements of the data has been poor throughout this. The lack of critical thinking and questioning of the data presented has been embarrassing so fair play to Conway
 

shmmeee

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This is what Lockdown Level 1 in SA is BTW:

“Level 1 entails a curfew from midnight to 4am, and the closing time for all establishments and gathering places is 11pm. Face masks must be worn in public and social distancing must be maintained. Outdoor sports events are limited to 2,000 spectators, and only 100 mourners may attend an indoor funeral service.”

Their highest level includes banning alcohol and tobacco sales. Basically they’re stricter than us already.
 

David O'Day

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This is what Lockdown Level 1 in SA is BTW:

“Level 1 entails a curfew from midnight to 4am, and the closing time for all establishments and gathering places is 11pm. Face masks must be worn in public and social distancing must be maintained. Outdoor sports events are limited to 2,000 spectators, and only 100 mourners may attend an indoor funeral service.”

Their highest level includes banning alcohol and tobacco sales. Basically they’re stricter than us already.

Facts they don't need facts
 

jordan210

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This is what Lockdown Level 1 in SA is BTW:

“Level 1 entails a curfew from midnight to 4am, and the closing time for all establishments and gathering places is 11pm. Face masks must be worn in public and social distancing must be maintained. Outdoor sports events are limited to 2,000 spectators, and only 100 mourners may attend an indoor funeral service.”

Their highest level includes banning alcohol and tobacco sales. Basically they’re stricter than us already.

I doubt anyone realy many follow theses rules. Not like SA follows many laws and rules to start with.

I have friends who travel to SA a lot and have said people dont even realy mention Covid. like a parallel universe.
 

shmmeee

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I doubt anyone realy many follow theses rules. Not like SA follows many laws and rules to start with.

I have friends who travel to SA a lot and have said people dont even realy mention Covid. like a parallel universe.

People don’t follow the rules here either 😂

Your friends would know best but certainly last year they seemed quite serious about it!

 

CCFCSteve

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Cases jumped again to 88k, however, this is off 1.6m tests (yesterday’s case total was off around 1.3m ish from memory)

745k boosters at least 👍
 

PVA

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So it turns out the UK's first Omicron victim was an anti-vaxxer.

So maybe they did die from Omicron and not just with it, @Nick
 

jordan210

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So it turns out the UK's first Omicron victim was an anti-vaxxer.

So maybe they did die from Omicron and not just with it, @Nick

From an anonymous unverified source who called LBC during a talk show and said their sister told him their 70 odd year old recluse of a step dad who he hasn't spoken to for years was an anti vaxxer.

Sounds fishy to me.
Here's the story if anyone wants to read it

 

CCFCSteve

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So it turns out the UK's first Omicron victim was an anti-vaxxer.

So maybe they did die from Omicron and not just with it, @Nick

Is that 100% true ? Heard someone called into LBC but didn’t know if it had been verified. If so, I also heard he was 70 years old. So a 70 year old who hasn’t been jabbed at all 🤦‍♂️
 

Bugsy

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So it turns out the UK's first Omicron victim was an anti-vaxxer.

So maybe they did die from Omicron and not just with it, @Nick

Don't think it's suitable for points scoring do u
 

jordan210

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Cases jumped again to 88k, however, this is off 1.6m tests (yesterday’s case total was off around 1.3m ish from memory)

745k boosters at least 👍

We realy should focus on percentage of positive tests not the number due to the ridiculous capacity we have
 

CCFCSteve

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We realy should focus on percentage of positive tests not the number due to the ridiculous capacity we have

I’ve said before, it’s not even really case numbers that are important. It’s hospitalisations and in particular Covid inpatients. I’m hoping that if the variant is milder and vaccine/natural immunity holds up against severe illness, hospitalisations won’t go through the roof and those that are hospitalised will be out in shorter periods which will keep inpatient numbers (and hopefully deaths) under control

Still ifs/hope at the moment though
 

Bugsy

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Can you point out where I'm point scoring please?

You know yourself what that would look like even if it was a diminutive meaning to it.
 

LastGarrison

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I take it you don’t find out which variant you have when you test positive?

Have to admit the difference between when my Missus had it back in July and when I had in November was massive.

Mine was definitely more Omicron symptoms than Delta; sneezing, runny nose etc.
 

duffer

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I don't think the NHS or ONS have these figures. As they have never properly studied anti bodies or infection type.

Remember a positive LFT doesn't mean you have it. Yet we count LTF's in figures. a lot of people claim they had covid but that doesn't prove anything.

working on Javids numbers. you would hit the whole population being infected by Christmas. So in theory yes it could burn it self out. Like it looks to have done in SA. Was this predicted a very early on that in history a virus will mutate and become easier to spread but less dangerous ?


Sky did a bit about the numbers. ignore the guy tweeting it



Hmmm...

A few things to clarify the science here - it took me about ten minutes to find these out, so I remain entirely unconvinced that repeating stuff unchecked is in any way smart:

Is there evidence that Omicron can re-infect people who have already had Covid?

Yes.


Do viruses always mutate to become less deadly?

No. (This is a dangerous myth entirely without evidence and anyone who repeats it needs their head checking)


See also Spanish flu...


How many cases of Omicron?

Tricky! That 200,000 number wasn't just pulled out of the air though, there's some logic behind it...


The key point is, even if the true number infected is much smaller than that, if it's doubling every two or even three days, then it's going to get much bigger very quickly.

If there was only one person infected on 14th December, and it doubled every three days, then by the end of January there would be 65,000 new infections on that day alone. Three days later, 130,000 new infections, and so on.

Will it burn itself out?

Eventually. But it might not be pretty if we don't slow it down a bit.

from the Guardian article above...

Prof Matt Keeling, of the University of Warwick, said if cases keep doubling we will effectively hit herd immunity. “Infection cannot keep doubling forever,” he said. “There are only a finite number of people to infect, and eventually the outbreak of Omicron would ‘burn itself out’ – but this isn’t going to happen until a lot of people have been infected, which we clearly want to avoid.

I wouldn't pretend for a second to know all of the facts. However, given what we do seem to know already, doing nothing on the basis that it might be milder, or we should wait to see the impacts, or even that the Government are blagging the figures just to protect Boris, just doesn't look sensible to me.
 

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