Nick
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Yes because everything in a and e is that serious.
There are huge numbers who will just get discharged to go and see their gp or nothing at all.
The ones queuing outside A & E aren't likely to be there for routine appointments are they?
Hmm...I think I'll book my serious fall, stroke, heart attack, car accident for Tuesday... I haven't much on that day.
People are acting like this is the first time healthcare workers have required vaccination and that’s just not true.
There is a big difference in applying for a job knowing certain vaccine requirements and having them forced upon you whilst in employment. You know that.You’ve said you don’t agree with forced vaccinations. So I assume you’re against the existing requirements for healthcare workers. So why are you only just up in arms about it now?
That’s what I don’t understand. Why weren’t you out screaming about the loss of freedom and slide to authoritarianism ten years ago? What makes the Covid vaccine special?
People are acting like this is the first time healthcare workers have required vaccination and that’s just not true.
I've told you many times my position , yet you keep asking for it , which is baffling
Not just my opinion either is it ? Nobody should lose their job because of vaccination status.. full stop.. end of discussion ..no more to say
I don't care what people had before they signed up for a job , this is something after , a different time a different situation being forced onto them
You might enjoy the idea of this happening to these people , but not me , never me
EXACTLY !!!!!It's the practicalities of it for me. The NHS looks like it's in for a particularly tough winter, staffing is an issue. Don't sack staff based on their vacinnation status, especially as there was no issue with it two days ago.
To be fair , my partners nephew was ran over last week and was in a serious condition .
He was in the road for 90 minutes before an ambulance came and took him to hospital .. when they got to the hospital there were 4 ambulances parked up
He tore his liver and spleen , fractured his leg , broke his ribs , and needed 20 stitches in his leg
Here's a good one for that arsehole Stats Jamie:
Looks like your risk of hospitalisation even at 20 reduces by 80% or more, from an already low starting pointAgain, look at the differences by age.
The graph looks scary but all this 'you are 32 times less likely to end up in hospital' is just nonsense. Most 20 year olds know that.
Looks like your risk of hospitalisation even at 20 reduces by 80% or more, from an already low starting point
Thats a fair point. I was commenting purely on covid inpatients in England currently at around 6.5k and questioning whether/why hospitalisations should increase exponentially unless omicron swerves natural and vaccine immunity (something we still don’t know…if it does we really are in the shit)
Not really, I only really think of you when you make a fool of yourself on here which to be fair is a lot these days.
Chris Whitty: "This is a really serious threat. How much of a threat? Several things we don't know, but the things we do know are bad."
Lockdown incoming
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Yes because everything in a and e is that serious.
There are huge numbers who will just get discharged to go and see their gp or nothing at all.
Absolutely, and I think that's why there's genuine concern (as opposed to the Boris get-out-of-jail-free kind).
It looks like infections are going to rise exponentially, in fact if I had a fiver I fancy we might start running out of test kits sometime in January. Whether hospital admissions and deaths will follow is the great unknown.
The hope is that the variant is very much weaker, or that it doesn't break through the vaccination.
On the latter, the data doesn't look great, but on the former there might be hope. But it's going to have to be massively weaker given the number of likely infections.
I hope that people like Nick are right, and it turns out to be a complete false alarm and I end up being ritually humiliated on here. Who wouldn't want that.
But still, given the numbers and data I think it's absolutely right to err on the side of caution. A little inconvenience now might save an awful lot of pain later, imho.
Right, all of the links I've provided are subordinate to your crystal ball. There's no problem with ambulances queuing, people are just making this stuff up.
In your opinion, despite all of the evidence there's no issue anywhere other than A&E.
The reason you seem to suggest there are problems in A&E are because there are too many loafers who are blocking admissions in A&E, conveniently ignoring the fact that you won't get near a bed until you've gone through triage and then seen a doctor (if required).
It is a bit pointless debating this with you mate, because you just come up with unlikely scenario after unlikely scenario to fulfil your world view that it's all ok and it's a big fuss over nothing. I know you don't like the conspiracy theory label mate, but sometimes you don't half go on like you're one of them!
You didn't read the article did you? It says hospitalisations are 23% lower than the Delta variant and 5% of cases are admitted to ICU, not that its just a cold. But with the number of cases we're seeing already it seems there's a decent chance the total number in hospital and ICU will increase.Londoners with cold symptoms more likely to have Covid, says expert
Professor behind symptom tracker app says Omicron variant causes headaches, sore throat and runny nosewww.theguardian.com
Soooo….a cold then? Pathetic
Sure give me a second.Can you link us to that data as everything we can find says that is bollocks
Was like this way before covid, i waited in ambulance for 13 hours when i was 14Then why are ambulances queuing for hours outside hospitals to admit people?
Ambulances queue outside A&Es as 999 calls pile up
Ambulance services in England are struggling to cope with huge numbers of calls, as crowded hospitals are unable to take patients and queues of ambulances waiting outside emergency departments have become an everyday occurrence. The Association of Ambulance Chief Executives has said that every...www.bmj.com
Thousands of patients at risk of harm while ambulances queue outside hospitals
Ambulance trust leaders have expressed concern over handover delays following analysis of the latest data.www.standard.co.uk
Wasn't totally paying attention as I was still working. Did Whitty say hospitalisations in London were up by a third already? If so that's slightly worrying as they were a few days ahead of the rest of the country for omicron spreading so we could easily see similar rises elsewhere.
Youre sounding like the most authoritarian person on this site atm tbh , mate I've continously told you what I think ... the end
Work numbers out yourseld.Can you link us to that data as everything we can find says that is bollocks
Hasn't it also been shown that vaccinations haven't been required before like this?You’ve not though. You’ve gone on about vaccines being required to work in healthcare being the second coming of Hitler but not explained why this wasn’t a problem last week when there were requirements for other vaccinations.
Face it mate. It’s social media bollocks. You had no idea this was normal in healthcare settings and think this is some new thing because Twitter is up in arms when in reality it’s a fairly basic part of the contract.
What’s authoritarian is demanding we throw out health and safety at work regulations and accepted practices because Karen in pharmacy follows some shit Facebook pages. You want to force employers to keep dangerous staff and force patients and co workers to be exposed to increased risk. All while pretending to care about freedom. Your freedom to swing your fists ends where my face begins.
People are free to work in the many industries that do not work with vulnerable people if they can’t grow the fuck up and get over their aversion to needles.
End of.
But it genuinely doesn’t bother me what you or anybody thinks about what I say on here…I’m entitled to say what I like - I don’t feel foolish at all young Mavis
You didn't read the article did you? It says hospitalisations are 23% lower than the Delta variant and 5% of cases are admitted to ICU, not that its just a cold. But with the number of cases we're seeing already it seems there's a decent chance the total number in hospital and ICU will increase.
Do you mind if I ask where you’ve heard that? Literally heard no rumblings at all which you often pick up from people in the know.I've been told they're closing school from January. Also been told that if schools have at least a week, then will be no exams again due to the disrupted learning.
I've been told they're closing school from January. Also been told that if schools have at least a week, then will be no exams again due to the disrupted learning.
Unbelievable that people think no NHS staff is better than unvaxxed NHS staff. Think I'd probably take the chance of an unvaxxed surgeon over being left for days weeks or months waiting for one
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