Nick
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Is that going to be a permanent thing? Hopefully it can come down again to maybe 5 if possible.
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Liquid Gold
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I don’t think it’s overhyped so much - although some of the media is definitely guilty of it but they’re guilty of overhyping most things. It’s more that until we know more about this strain then it is sensible to put some minor restrictions in (mask wearing and proof of vaccine is fuck all really) while we wait for more and more accurate data. It’s better than doing what we did first time around by doing fuck all until it was way too late and having to shut the country down.
Sky Blue Pete
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For incompetency or something else?
My modeller at the uni says it’s tentatively looking like this strain is milder so I’m happy with that. Still huge numbers and isolating with ruin many peoples xmas but when they are saying things like that I’m pretty content
Nick
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Of course it was over hyped. Look at how they push the headlines to get everybody as scared as possible.
Sky Blue Pete
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The reason given should be that the chance of transmitting is substantially lower not to save Xmas or lack of staff ffs
Nick
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No because they don't look like heroes then.
fernandopartridge
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It isn't sensible if that's the reason is it? If the reason is that it's excessively long in relation to somebody's period of infectiousness then yeah.
Liquid Gold
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Who is pushing them?
Marty
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Big pharma.
chiefdave
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People seem to have got it into their heads that this is only happening in the UK and everyone else is just cracking on like nothing has changed when pretty much the opposite is true.
We relaxed things far more than anyone else to start off with. When speaking to ex-colleagues still working on tour in the music industry the thing I have been hearing over and over again since freedom day is 'why are you acting like the pandemic is over?' and concern that there are zero mitigations in place when pretty much every other country they visit is still doing something, no matter how minor, to try and prevent future waves. Yet while people visiting the country were saying that people were complaining about how they had had their freedom taken away.
Its the same now, people are complaining that we are panicking and / or the government & press are over-hyping the variant to cover up their other messes yet the slowly but surely the rest of the world is going into lockdown.
Saddlebrains
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Todays good news stories
Nick
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Where does it end? Is this going to be our life now?
I don't get why places like Wales are going to implement more restrictions while their deaths / hospitalisations are actually coming down. Especially that a Cardiff can can't go to watch a home game but can travel to an away game to watch that one. Is the COVID pass not enough now?
So many of them just don't make much sense.
I don't get why places like Wales are going to implement more restrictions while their deaths / hospitalisations are actually coming down. Especially that a Cardiff can can't go to watch a home game but can travel to an away game to watch that one. Is the COVID pass not enough now?
So many of them just don't make much sense.
Sky Blue Pete
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I think if that repeats then we can take some clear decisions about how to react to it that don’t include closing things down
Sky Blue Pete
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You have to have an open mind at either end for the management of risk to make sense
David O'Day
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A good piece on why while Omicron may be milder it is sensible to be careful
www.theguardian.com
Omicron is spreading at an alarming rate, and there's no solid evidence it's 'milder' | William Hanage
Epidemics of rapidly transmitting viruses are not kind to overstretched healthcare systems, says academic William Hanage
Nick
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It also has to be realistic else it is never ever going to end. Making unrealistic projections and then sticking to them even when real life looks to (so far) contradict isn't going to do anything.
It's 2025, the NHS employs 1,000 doctors across the country and nobody can leave their house from October to February to "save the NHS".
Nick
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A good piece on why while Omicron may be milder it is sensible to be careful
Omicron is spreading at an alarming rate, and there's no solid evidence it's 'milder' | William Hanage
Epidemics of rapidly transmitting viruses are not kind to overstretched healthcare systems, says academic William Hanage
Again, it doesn't matter if it's an itchy arse. It isn't the actual virus that will cause the issues it's people having to sit at home for 10 days when any other year would be at work.
rob9872
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So the whole world is in I'm a conspiracy theory because Boris held an after work party 18 months ago. Ok errr that seems plausible.
I get that we're all fed up with restrictions but this remains serious. Warwick is full on the Covid ant ITU wards, the surge ward prepped in readiness. I also heard a former colleague of mine on CWR regarding the bed availability in UHCW regarding their response. He's a man of integrity and I'd take his opinion over the friend of a friend on a football forum. This is here to stay and we should be as cautious now with testing, sanitising and mask wearing as we were last year. Your choice, but I know what I'll be doing to protect my family.
I get that we're all fed up with restrictions but this remains serious. Warwick is full on the Covid ant ITU wards, the surge ward prepped in readiness. I also heard a former colleague of mine on CWR regarding the bed availability in UHCW regarding their response. He's a man of integrity and I'd take his opinion over the friend of a friend on a football forum. This is here to stay and we should be as cautious now with testing, sanitising and mask wearing as we were last year. Your choice, but I know what I'll be doing to protect my family.
Nick
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How are the stats looking compared to last year in terms of hospitalisations and deaths?
More people will be dying from suicide every day than Omicron. People can't have to keep putting their lives on hold every few months.
People are always going to die from it.
robbiekeane
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Saddlebrains
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robbiekeane
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Eyeballing that, looks like first week of november cases started increasing. So even with the two/three week lag you'd expect by the end of November deaths would start to following the same trend.
It's not.
Saddlebrains
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It won't either. There is no denying we would be seeing it by now
It's almost as if vaccines work isn't it? People might start believing that now
Liquid Gold
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It's good news.
Hopefully a bit more data like this and we can cancel restrictions.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The WHO have said as much, lockdown works but it’s terrible for just about everything that isn’t COVID. The state also can’t prevent death and vaccination is it doing right by the people it’s supposed to protect.
However-if we end up maxing out ICU and ventilator space and infections are still rising then the decision is taken out of their hands.
chiefdave
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A very important point was made on the radio about comparing to last year. When looking at numbers in hospital & ICU you're comparing with an NHS that had basically shut down as much non-covid treatment as possible to enable them to cope with covid.
Look at UHCW as an example
So while its great that the numbers aren't peaking as high as they are previously it doesn't mean there is no impact and the NHS is just carrying on as normal.
clint van damme
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There seems to be a growing amount of evidence that this variant isn't as severe, fingers crossed that's the case, the next couple of weeks should tell us more.
There were on average about 14 suicides a day last year (thankfully, the suicide rate fell in 2020). There were 5200 suicides total in England and Wales last year - we've had about 70,000 coronavirus deaths in the UK as a whole in 2021.
Personally I think the jury's still out on whether countries are over-reacting or under-reacting to Omicron. But your claims that this is all some kind of media diversion tactic are sounding more and more unhinged.
RegTheDonk
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I think that's something many overlook, myself too. Non-covid medical issues are still there, the backlog for treatment is huge and won't be cleared as quickly.
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That is the reason though, it’s just the way the article is written. People need to step back from how things are presented by the media. I read last week it’s something like 98% of transmission is in first five days. It’s needed changing for a while and we will hopefully see more compliance on the back of it.
shmmeee
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Its never been about deaths. It’s about hospital capacity.
Your suggestion that the threat from coronavirus (including Omicron) is being overblown compared to other health problems doesn't really work though. You may not be concerned, but plenty of health experts are.
Why will it get to that point? Because the media want to sell more papers? (Makes sense, lockdowns have done wonders for newspaper sales so far...haven't they?)
Nick
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Will it mean that next year come November there will be a lockdown to stop people getting cold / flu and going to the NHS?