Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (37 Viewers)

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 7, 2022

Grendel said:
Why on earth not? This is a real issue not a football argument - am I personally bothered by the anti vax nonsense - no I suppose not but I do know other people who do find it very unpleasant so I’ll continue to challenge the stance

What anti vaxx nonsense? You are the one that wants to make it fucking mandatory which is the most dangerous take I have seen on here.

My arguments have by and large been related to the effect of the virus and vaccine on different demographics. That includes highlighting obesity and the fact that young people are largely unaffected by the virus. Whenever something is posted along those lines it gets jumped on as conspiracy theories or often ignored depending on who is posting. We have lost all perspective of this virus and you are an extremely guilty example of that.

You stroll round this forum upsetting people yourself, and then you have the cheek to try and play all victimised because I called you out on your tripe. Give me a break.

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 7, 2022

Grendel said:
Im hardly off my head.

He offends a lot of people - at one point he said he knew what someone looked like from a podcast and started to sound very threatening indeed towards them

I genuinely find his rhetoric threatening and offensive regarding this subject

US not been online since - have you been in contact @Nick to see if all is well?

Evo1883 · Jan 7, 2022

Youngest daughter has it now .. clearly caught off me , tried to isolate but clearly not enough

Tommo1993 · Jan 7, 2022

Evo1883 said:
Youngest daughter has it now .. clearly caught off me , tried to isolate but clearly not enough

Reckon it’d be impossible in a family household, nobody can be blamed

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 7, 2022

Tommo1993 said:
Reckon it’d be impossible in a family household, nobody can be blamed

Yeah, I've decided it's pointless even trying to isolate within our household if one of us catches it.

Otis · Jan 7, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah, I've decided it's pointless even trying to isolate within our household if one of us catches it.

Both my daughter and I have it, but my wife hasn't. Not yet anyway and she is flying to Russia on Monday, so is desperately trying to avoid catching it.

Bugsy · Jan 7, 2022

COVID-19: Sajid Javid directly challenged on mandatory coronavirus jabs by unvaccinated NHS doctor

Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist who has been treating coronavirus patients since the start of the pandemic, tells Health Secretary Sajid Javid about his displeasure with the government's policy of mandatory vaccination for NHS staff.

news.sky.com

Nick · Jan 7, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think the person that has the restraining order is in all likelihood the one that is off their head.

Need to back that up if you're throwing it around

Nick · Jan 7, 2022

Evo1883 said:
Youngest daughter has it now .. clearly caught off me , tried to isolate but clearly not enough

Hopefully she will be ok! Kids just get on with it.

Week off school watching Netflix in the warm.

Grendel · Jan 7, 2022

Nick said:
Need to back that up if you're throwing it around

Indeed and let’s hope there is a retraction and an apology very quickly or the heat in the kitchen will escalate

fernandopartridge · Jan 7, 2022

ICNARC has updated its ICU occupancy by vaccination status since May 2021

Grendel · Jan 7, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
ICNARC has updated its ICU occupancy by vaccination status since May 2021

Wow that looks like 90% of people in ICU aren’t fully vaccinated?

Sick Boy · Jan 7, 2022

To be fair to Earlsdon he has discussed his vaccination status on here before when I asked him.

Grendel · Jan 7, 2022

Sick Boy said:
To be fair to Earlsdon he has discussed his vaccination status on here before when I asked him.

What did he say - his ability to distinguish facts from fiction are clearly in question at the minute

covmark · Jan 8, 2022

Grendel said:
What did he say - his ability to distinguish facts from fiction are clearly in question at the minute

I'm sure he did say he was vaccinated. He does talk utter bilge on this thread though.

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 8, 2022

Grendel said:
Wow that looks like 90% of people in ICU aren’t fully vaccinated?

So are you now admitting that you said it? Either way, your numbers are well off.

I´ve just downloaded the full 95 page report, you can find it here: ICNARC – Reports

"The percentage of paients admited to critcal care with confirmed COVID-19 that were unvaccinated
decreased from 75% in May 2021 to 47% in October 2021, consistent with the decreasing proporton
of the general populaton who were unvaccinated, before increasing again to 61% in December 2021
(Figure 27). Percentages that were unvaccinated varied by region, with the highest percentages in
London, the South West and North West (Figure 28)."

The other thing it goes on to say is that the age and body mass index is once again massive factors in what it causing people to be in ICU, and is more relevant for the overall picture than vaccination status. Again, if you are older or vulnerable, the vaccine is a massive life saver. If you are young and healthy, it is largely irrelevant and the numbers are so small too. Reference page 45, 60, 86 for the best information regarding vaccination status, age and BMI. You can see this information in many graph forms too, although the one FP posted is not in this report from what I can see, so I have no idea where it has come from given that it was this was the report from which it was supposed to be referenced from.

I would invite everyone to read that report. Hopefully in some cases it can put some people´s mind at rest too.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 8, 2022

Sick Boy said:
To be fair to Earlsdon he has discussed his vaccination status on here before when I asked him.

Just so we clear this up, I have had the Janssen (J&J) single dose.

I do believe in the freedom of the individual, yes, but that does not make me an anti-vaxx loon. Anyone that thinks that is either being deliberately antagonistic or has really lost all sight of perspective.

Frostie · Jan 8, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The percentage of patients admitted to critical care with confirmed COVID-19 that were unvaccinated...

What about those already in there?

Stands to reason the unvaccinated are likely to require treatment for longer too so the 90% figure is still possible.

Philosoraptor · Jan 8, 2022

Meanwhile, in Texas.

Texas teacher 'locked Covid-positive son in car boot'

A witness reportedly called police after hearing someone in the trunk of the Texas woman's vehicle.

www.bbc.co.uk

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 8, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Just so we clear this up, I have had the Janssen (J&J) single dose.

I do believe in the freedom of the individual, yes, but that does not make me an anti-vaxx loon. Anyone that thinks that is either being deliberately antagonistic or has really lost all sight of perspective.

FYI, then.

Expert warns Janssen vaccine recipients have ‘practically no immunity’ from Omicron

A leading immunologist has argued that people aged 16-34-years who received the one-shot Janssen vaccine should be prioritised for walk-in boosters because they are at high-risk from waning immunity.

www.independent.ie

Altough you might want to hold the mirror to your last sentence while you're at it...

skybluetony176 · Jan 8, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Just so we clear this up, I have had the Janssen (J&J) single dose.

I do believe in the freedom of the individual, yes, but that does not make me an anti-vaxx loon. Anyone that thinks that is either being deliberately antagonistic or has really lost all sight of perspective.

That’s exactly what an anti-vaxx loon would say

Otis · Jan 8, 2022

Okay, for everyone's information. I know not everyone has the same symptoms, but I thought maybe it might help people know what they might confront should they catch Covid.

Today is the first day I haven't had a really bad headache. This is after 15 days of constant, persistent bad headaches.

My other symptoms have been gingivitis, conjunctivitis, sore throat, fever, very mild, occasional cough (not full on at all), lethargy, breathing problems, achy jaw, aching back teeth in the lower jaw and it being really painful when I sneeze or blow my nose. Had a slight metallic taste in my mouth after food.

I slept loads.

Hopefully I have now seen the back of it, but as many of you know, it can come in waves, so I am not entirely convinced the symptoms won't come back.

Anyway, first day without any painkillers.

Good luck everyone. Stay safe.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 8, 2022

Otis said:
Anyway, first day without any painkillers.

Let's hope it's the first of many.

Grendel · Jan 8, 2022

Otis said:
Okay, for everyone's information. I know not everyone has the same symptoms, but I thought maybe it might help people know what they might confront should they catch Covid.

Today is the first day I haven't had a really bad headache. This is after 15 days of constant, persistent bad headaches.

My other symptoms have been gingivitis, conjunctivitis, sore throat, fever, very mild, occasional cough (not full on at all), lethargy, breathing problems, achy jaw, aching back teeth in the lower jaw and it being really painful when I sneeze or blow my nose. Had a slight metallic taste in my mouth after food.

I slept loads.

Hopefully I have now seen the back of it, but as many of you know, it can come in waves, so I am not entirely convinced the synopsis won't come back.

Anyway, first day without any painkillers.

Good luck everyone. Stay safe.

Well it’s very good they you have started to feel mildly better

As you said before this is why people need the vaccine as it minimises symptoms and if you hadn’t had it then it could let’s be honest have been extremely serious

Also it throws out the obese argument

I know someone in her forties who got it having been fully jabbed and it was similar I spoke to her and she could barely breath

She is ok now

Philosoraptor · Jan 8, 2022

Decent thread to read.

hill83 · Jan 8, 2022

Otis said:
Okay, for everyone's information. I know not everyone has the same symptoms, but I thought maybe it might help people know what they might confront should they catch Covid.

Today is the first day I haven't had a really bad headache. This is after 15 days of constant, persistent bad headaches.

My other symptoms have been gingivitis, conjunctivitis, sore throat, fever, very mild, occasional cough (not full on at all), lethargy, breathing problems, achy jaw, aching back teeth in the lower jaw and it being really painful when I sneeze or blow my nose. Had a slight metallic taste in my mouth after food.

I slept loads.

Hopefully I have now seen the back of it, but as many of you know, it can come in waves, so I am not entirely convinced the symptoms won't come back.

Anyway, first day without any painkillers.

Good luck everyone. Stay safe.

My PCR finally came back positive today.

I’ve had major (and I mean major) headaches, white spots on my tongue and it feels like I’ve burnt it. Aching joints and a slight cough. Also a massive appetite even though I can’t taste anything. It also comes in waves, it’s not been as bad as when I thought I had it way back in March 2020. Not had a fever or sweats or anything. And no breathing issues thank fuck.

And as above I’m not fat. Bored as fuck though. The whole experience has been shit.

2 jabs, no booster. Wish I got the booster earlier if I’m honest but couldn’t find a time with a couple of days after for potential recovery.

Liquid Gold · Jan 8, 2022

I had it mild AF but my breathing is still shite. Walked up a hill last week and it gave me a coughing fit. Can't do anything at the gym for more than a couple of minutes. Playing football next week so that'll be a laugh.

A friend of mine had Delta in September and she's a fitness model, now says she feels like she has asthma from it.

These are all after being vaxxed. Get the fucking jabs or it could be much worse.

Also, you may not be anti-vax yourself but questioning every minute detail when the issue has already been settled by the people qualified to deal with it is likely going to put off somebody that is reluctant.

Every message should be get vaccinated at all times.

Liquid Gold · Jan 8, 2022

hill83 said:
My PCR finally came back positive today.

I’ve had major headaches, white spots on my tongue and it feels like I’ve burnt it. Aching joints and a slight cough. Also a massive appetite even though I can’t taste anything.

And as above I’m not fat. Bored as fuck though.

This is your second go around isn't it?

Or did you not manage to get a test in the first wave?

Either way I hope you're alright.

hill83 · Jan 8, 2022

Liquid Gold said:
This is your second go around isn't it?

Or did you not manage to get a test in the first wave?

Either way I hope you're alright.

Edited my post to include this. Still don’t know if I had it first time.

hill83 · Jan 8, 2022

I am 38 now though, is that over the threshold to be written off?

clint van damme · Jan 8, 2022

hill83 said:
I am 38 now though, is that over the threshold to be written off?

Glad you're on the mend, my shares in the Albany club took a nose dive while you were out of action.

hill83 · Jan 8, 2022

clint van damme said:
Glad you're on the mend, my shares in the Albany club took a nose dive while you were out of action.

Saved so much money this week it’s unreal.

Grendel · Jan 8, 2022

hill83 said:
I am 38 now though, is that over the threshold to be written off?

your claim not be fat of course was disputed by one ex poster

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 8, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Just so we clear this up, I have had the Janssen (J&J) single dose.

I do believe in the freedom of the individual, yes, but that does not make me an anti-vaxx loon. Anyone that thinks that is either being deliberately antagonistic or has really lost all sight of perspective.

What has annoyed me in your case is persistent criticism of vaccination as a tool for fighting Covid but the reluctance to name or just suggest an alternative. As has been shown, the risk of rare complications in younger people is higher in those infected rather than vaccinated. That alone to me seems a sensible reason to get it.

New evidence has also emerged on the decline in vaccine effectiveness against transmission over time and against more infectious variants. During the most critical time of year however, a statistically significant reduction against transmission by reducing overall viral load stands up as another big reason to get the jab if you’re younger.

clint van damme · Jan 8, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
What has annoyed me in your case is persistent criticism of vaccination as a tool for fighting Covid but the reluctance to name or just suggest an alternative. As has been shown, the risk of rare complications in younger people is higher in those infected rather than vaccinated. That alone to me seems a sensible reason to get it.

New evidence has also emerged on the decline in vaccine effectiveness against transmission over time and against more infectious variants. During the most critical time of year however, a statistically significant reduction against transmission by reducing overall viral load stands up as another big reason to get the jab if you’re younger.

What annoys me is this isn't the first pandemic the human race has experienced and everything we are using has been employed to fight previous pandemics yet people are acting like it's something new and sinister.

Meanwhile in the background actual assaults on our rights and our judicial system are ongoing and most people dont seem to care.

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