Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (200 Viewers)

[SkyBlue Snowflake]

You’ve come to the right place Mr Snowflake

 

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[SkyBlue Snowflake]

Yes I feel should fit in just fine, more than happy to abuse random strangers from behind my keyboard

 

[Skybluefaz]

Can anyone explain what happened with SARS? I remember it, but it barely touched these shores did it.

That was a Coronavirus, so what happened there and how long was it before they managed to get a vaccine?

There were a lot fewer deaths too.

What was different?

I believe warm weather killed that off to a large extent. That's just from memory from something I read. Could be completely wrong.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Ross Kemp seems to be of the belief that filming people dying for our amusement is just what’s required at this stage

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It's a procurement issue is it not? I suggested last night we should bypass the yanks and produce it ourselves. If they won't release the products we need, they have left us no choice really.

Assuming we have the raw materials readily available to do so.

But if there was any doubt before this on not to trust the Americans in a trade agreement it must surely have disappeared now.

Seized a load of ventilators destined for export that had been ordered and paid for but when India refused to export the malaria drug they were met with threats from the US until they caved. I expect similar to happen with Pakistan now they've banned export of it.

 

[PVA]

Ross Kemp seems to be of the belief that filming people dying for our amusement is just what’s required at this stage

That certainly didn't get the reaction he was hoping/expecting, what a tool.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I totally agree politics aside we need a fairer society and now this has happened around the world maybe we will get it.
Been out walking these past Few weeks and the amount of people you pass and say hello is fantastic.
Me and the Mrs even got chatting to a guy yesterday that was a vicar( dressed in civies) and he said a prayer for us.
Very uplifting experience!!

At a social level I'm hopeful it will.

But at other levels it won't lead to a fairer society at all. If anything it'll make them worse. They'll feel vulnerable and hoard even more to protect themselves where possible.

JRM's investment company is playing up the opportunities to make large amounts of money from this due to the massive volatility.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yeah but apart from the ventilators what have the Germans ever done for us?

Furnish us with a language?

Oh fuck off

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I need more beer. So to sum up, seems like the situation is currently:

1. Boris and the government fucked up so badly that 10,000 people and rising died, with the U.K. on course to be worst hit in Europe. Boris almost died himself due to his own carelessness and stupidity.

2. Boris is now a hero for surviving, whereas the 10,000 dead are barely mentioned in the media.

4. China are the great evil who lie about death figures and don’t care about their own people... we deliberately withhold how many healthcare workers have died, that’s ok.

5. it’s nurses’ own fault for overusing PPE

Boozy Easter coming up

 

[Ring Of Steel]

At a social level I'm hopeful it will.

But at other levels it won't lead to a fairer society at all. If anything it'll make them worse. They'll feel vulnerable and hoard even more to protect themselves where possible.

JRM's investment company is playing up the opportunities to make large amounts of money from this due to the massive volatility.

you can already see it- it’s just making the right more right and the left more left- the divisions in this country will take a generation to fix.

 

[skybluetony176]

Can anyone explain what happened with SARS? I remember it, but it barely touched these shores did it.

That was a Coronavirus, so what happened there and how long was it before they managed to get a vaccine?

There were a lot fewer deaths too.

What was different?

I think it was as simple as it wasn’t as contagious and had a lower mortality rate if you did catch it.

 

[Marty]

Assuming we have the raw materials readily available to do so.

But if there was any doubt before this on not to trust the Americans in a trade agreement it must surely have disappeared now.

Seized a load of ventilators destined for export that had been ordered and paid for but when India refused to export the malaria drug they were met with threats from the US until they caved. I expect similar to happen with Pakistan now they've banned export of it.

That's correct, but you do tend to find sourcing the raw materials a hell of a lot easier then a finished product.

I don't want to be drawn into a debate about trade deals and such like, simple fact is the yanks can do what they want, too strong economically and militarily.

 

[shmmeee]

Corbyn really drove this guy over the edge to full nutcase territory.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They are dying in every country. The WHO believes the world is only at 60% required levels. As someone on here said all businesses operate on JIT supply metric these days and that probably has to be looked at

I agree but there's no probably about it. Planning for a massive global health crisis that could kill hundreds of thousands or potentially millions of people should not be approached in the same way as building a car. It needs to be there ready to go from the off - there won't be time to produce and source it before it's too late (esp if people are getting sick and production/supply is affected further) as we're finding out.

If I can figure that out with basic logic and general knowledge you'd think those with access to experts would be able to. But they just ignore the warnings and carry on.

We don't have the argument about the nuclear deterrent by saying we'll start to enrich the uranium when the enemy presses the button. Too late.

But before we know it it'll be back to "we don't have the money, cuts must be made" etc. But hey, we stood clapping the NHS workers when we needed then so that's fine.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

How could you have herd immunity policy in any country where there is no vaccine?

By letting it develop naturally in terms of antibodies in the general population as it spreads.

Only minor downside to that is it'd kill a huge number of people :emoji_thinking:

 

[fernandopartridge]

Corbyn really drove this guy over the edge to full nutcase territory.

He's an absolute c**t isn't he

 

[shmmeee]

Can anyone explain what happened with SARS? I remember it, but it barely touched these shores did it.

That was a Coronavirus, so what happened there and how long was it before they managed to get a vaccine?

There were a lot fewer deaths too.

What was different?

Better managed I think. AFAIK there’s still no SARS-Cov-1 vaccine.

 

[David O'Day]

I bet Dan Hodges mum even thinks he's a c**t

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[clint van damme]

Ross Kemp seems to be of the belief that filming people dying for our amusement is just what’s required at this stage

How about you fuck of sharpish and donate your PPE to one of the staff you fuckin' roaster.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I need more beer. So to sum up, seems like the situation is currently:

1. Boris and the government fucked up so badly that 10,000 people and rising died, with the U.K. on course to be worst hit in Europe. Boris almost died himself due to his own carelessness and stupidity.

2. Boris is now a hero for surviving, whereas the 10,000 dead are barely mentioned in the media.

4. China are the great evil who lie about death figures and don’t care about their own people... we deliberately withhold how many healthcare workers have died, that’s ok.

5. it’s nurses’ own fault for overusing PPE

Boozy Easter coming up

maybe get the book sooner rather than later mate

have a good Easter weekend though and everyone else (reckon the amount of booze being consumed at home by the nation this weekend will be going through the roof !!!)

 

[David O'Day]

Better managed I think. AFAIK there’s still no SARS-Cov-1 vaccine.

It was more deadly but far less contagious

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Its not really until this crisis that I truly realised how British exceptionalism is weaponised to prevent criticism of our government. Works a treat. Noticed it a bit before when normal social democratic policies from other countries are discussed, but really stark with this crisis.

Not just here though. Many countries have that same nationalism. The US is the prime example, although places like China and Russia are good examples too.. Being a patriot seems to be someone who just blindly accepts that whatever their country does it the way it should be done.

If it's not a British idea or made in Britain it'll be rubbish compared to what we can come up with ourselves. If you don't believe that you're a traitor and hate Britain. The British Empire ended but the attitude towards the rest of the world still prevails for some.

"There's two ways of doing something - the British way and the wrong way"

 

[clint van damme]

maybe get the book sooner rather than later mate

have a good Easter weekend though and everyone else (reckon the amount of booze being consumed by the nations at home this weekend will be going through the roof !!!)

I've a feeling there's going to be a worldwide epidemic of people ignoring guidelines this weekend.

A combination of good weather and religious festivals is going to see widespread civil disobedience.
I shall be watching with interest from the confines of my garden.

 

[MalcSB]

Should be a position that you’re voted into by your fellow nurses, surely. Any government, that’s any government could just appoint any nodding donkey if not.

The Chief Nursing Officer is a civil servant. The head of the RCN will be elected by nurses.

 

[shmmeee]

I agree but there's no probably about it. Planning for a massive global health crisis that could kill hundreds of thousands or potentially millions of people should not be approached in the same way as building a car. It needs to be there ready to go from the off - there won't be time to produce and source it before it's too late (esp if people are getting sick and production/supply is affected further) as we're finding out.

If I can figure that out with basic logic and general knowledge you'd think those with access to experts would be able to. But they just ignore the warnings and carry on.

We don't have the argument about the nuclear deterrent by saying we'll start to enrich the uranium when the enemy presses the button. Too late.

But before we know it it'll be back to "we don't have the money, cuts must be made" etc. But hey, we stood clapping the NHS workers when we needed then so that's fine.

It’s been top of our risk register for years. Not preparing is on par with winding down MI5 because we can’t afford it or as you say not having a nuclear deterrent. The fact is the ideology was to underfund where possible.

Browns govt take some blame, though dealing with the GFC might be seen as an excuse for taking your eye off the ball I guess.

Not just here though. Many countries have that same nationalism. The US is the prime example, although places like China and Russia are good examples too.. Being a patriot seems to be someone who just blindly accepts that whatever their country does it the way it should be done.

If it's not a British idea or made in Britain it'll be rubbish compared to what we can come up with ourselves. If you don't believe that you're a traitor and hate Britain. The British Empire ended but the attitude towards the rest of the world still prevails for some.

"There's two ways of doing something - the British way and the wrong way"

Ha! Suppose I succumbed to my own British exceptionalism there!

 

[Skybluefaz]

I've a feeling there's going to be a worldwide epidemic of people ignoring guidelines this weekend.

A combination of good weather and religious festivals is going to see widespread civil disobedience.
I shall be watching with interest from the confines of my garden.

Some utter bawbags near us on Facebook are trying to get kids out on Easter egg hunts because it seems like stay at home is too complex an instruction for do good wankers who use the word 'fab' too much on Facebook.

 

[shmmeee]

That's correct, but you do tend to find sourcing the raw materials a hell of a lot easier then a finished product.

I don't want to be drawn into a debate about trade deals and such like, simple fact is the yanks can do what they want, too strong economically and militarily.

Yeah China too, we should probably look into banding together with like minded similar sized countries to level the playing field huh?

 

[clint van damme]

Some utter bawbags near us on Facebook are trying to get kids out on Easter egg hunts because it seems like stay at home is too complex an instruction for do good wankers who use the word 'fab' too much on Facebook.

Incredible. Fucking state of some people.
What sort of mind weighs up the pros and cons of missing out on a chocolate egg to prevent potentially catching and spreading a serious respiratory disease and decides it's worth the risk?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Incredible. Fucking state of some people.
What sort of mind weighs up the pros and cons of missing out on a chocolate egg to prevent potentially catching and spreading a serious respiratory disease and decides it's worth the risk?

Not even chocolate eggs, just pictures. Don't get why you'd coax people out for any reason at the minute.

 

[shmmeee]

Incredible. Fucking state of some people.
What sort of mind weighs up the pros and cons of missing out on a chocolate egg to prevent potentially catching and spreading a serious respiratory disease and decides it's worth the risk?

My kids are doing an egg hunt around the house, hardly rocket science. What’s up with some people?

 

[clint van damme]

My kids are doing an egg hunt around the house, hardly rocket science. What’s up with some people?

I'm appreciate my kids are not of an egg hunting age but fuck me, nearly a 1000 people died yesterday.
Just use some common sense. Like you say, do one round the house, not difficult.

 

[wingy]

Better managed I think. AFAIK there’s still no SARS-Cov-1 vaccine.

Think there is But it came after the event.

 

[Marty]

Yeah China too, we should probably look into banding together with like minded similar sized countries to level the playing field huh?

Well, there's huge divisions within the EU between member states for starters, but lets not go down that rabbit hole. Rightly or wrongly, the people of this nation voted to leave, time to get over it and to make the best of the it.

 

[Johnnythespider]

I need more beer. So to sum up, seems like the situation is currently:

1. Boris and the government fucked up so badly that 10,000 people and rising died, with the U.K. on course to be worst hit in Europe. Boris almost died himself due to his own carelessness and stupidity.

2. Boris is now a hero for surviving, whereas the 10,000 dead are barely mentioned in the media.

4. China are the great evil who lie about death figures and don’t care about their own people... we deliberately withhold how many healthcare workers have died, that’s ok.

5. it’s nurses’ own fault for overusing PPE

Boozy Easter coming up

Regarding point 2, it's because they weren't fighters like Boris

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Those nasty evil Europeans eh.

nothing wrong with Europeans