Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)

[PVA]

Her parents are as you charmingly put it foreigners

Exactly, that's what makes her stance so appalling.

Her own parents would not have qualified to come to the country under her new rules.

 

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[Astute]

Her parents are as you charmingly put it foreigners

Hitler wasn't a German. And most probably had Jewish ancestry.

 

[wingy]

Hahaha was just about to comment that I saw you managed to get ‘naked’ into a post of yours about her, I doubt it’s a coincidence.

Haha

 

[Grendel]

Exactly, that's what makes her stance so appalling.

Her own parents would not have qualified to come to the country under her new rules.

They wouldn’t have been permitted under the last labour government then either. Which new rules?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Right, I’m going to put this out there as an alternative view, awaiting to be abused but here it goes and please hear me out.....

Firstly, do I think Hancock is out of his depth, yes, most probably (for all his historical issues with the NHS Hunt would’ve no doubt been far better in these circumstances but that’s currently irrelevant)

Do I think his comment about misuse of PPE was as callous as it’s been made out to be, no. In actual fact it’s a valid point. In the briefing he was asking people to follow the PPE guidelines ie make sure you are wearing enough/adequate PPE but also not to overuse it

Now if there was an infinite supply (and no global pandemic) this would just be a ridiculous thing to say (what’s a few quid to protect a life etc etc). However as we know there is a potential shortage and this situation may well get worse nationally and globally before it gets better. as I think SBD and others have highlighted countries have also banned exports and we don’t currently make much of our own. It was mentioned yesterday 700m pieces of PPF had been distributed to NHS/social care etc since the start of the outbreak and one of the comments was that a doctor/nurse can apparently safely wear some of the same PPE for a session rather than change per patient (which will no doubt come with its own risks, take additional time etc). Let’s assume for example it’s three patients per session, over a month that could be a difference of hundreds of millions of pieces of PPE, some of which could be in short supply or difficult to replace in future.

Ive said before that for me PPE distribution (and supply line) and testing of NHS workers are the two genuine issues I would want/expect to be addressed asap and fully investigated once this nightmare is over. I’m sure the last thing health workers want to hear when they are risking their lives is ‘be careful not to overuse PPE’ but if by using PPE safely and sensibly, as per guidelines it means there is more to go around and in turn save their or colleagues life in future, it’s maybe not such an outrageous thing to say.

*Prepares tin hat but hopefully people get the point being made. As I say this isn’t about preparedness etc this is about what was discussed at the briefing

While I get what you're saying it is effectively trying to shift blame from government failings onto the health workers.

According to guidelines the PPE should be changed for every patient due to fear of cross infection etc and while that would not appear to be feasible it is NOT the health workers wasting it - it's a failure of government to have kept enough in store for this situation (which they were warned about).

Health workers are following the guidelines on using PPE safely. Hancock is telling them to ignore the safety guidelines and put themselves at risk.

 

[Grendel]

Hitler wasn't a German. And most probably had Jewish ancestry.

Thanks for that amazing contribution

 

[Astute]

Thanks for that amazing contribution

So why wouldn't Patel want something that wouldn't have let her parents into the UK?

 

[Grendel]

So why wouldn't Patel want something that wouldn't have let her parents into the UK?

Patels plan is to relax rules and restrictions on non Eu applicants

Her parents wouldn’t have been allowed in under any criteria for years what are you on about?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Carers in care homes in the uk for example are changing every patient they see and are using 10 times more a day than normal

Because this is NOT normal times. It's not wasting PPE, it's following the guidelines to stay protected (both themselves and the people they care for.

 

[skybluetony176]

Her parents are as you charmingly put it foreigners

Which only makes her more bizarre. Covtarian hates foreigners too despite his own mother being one. That stupid woman from the EDL dislikes them despite as her last name would indicate her paternal grandfather was one. Try hards, all of them.

 

[David O'Day]

So we've established Priti Patel is incompetent and you'd have to be an absolute idiot to defend her. Luckily the likely 2 are on ignore.

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[skybluetony176]

That’s nice

Gallows humour. Right up your street.

 

[Grendel]

Because this is NOT normal times. It's not wasting PPE, it's following the guidelines to stay protected (both themselves and the people they care for.

It’s in resolves to sick boy who says Italian workers have to wear one for the whole shift and cannot change them

 

[David O'Day]

Which only makes her more bizarre. Covtarian hates foreigners too despite his own mother being one. That stupid woman from the EDL dislikes them despite as her last name would indicate her paternal grandfather was one. Try hards, all of them.

Grenners is once again out of depth.


Any Tommy Robinsons real name would indicate he is of Irish extraction as well.



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[Grendel]

So we've established Priti Patel is incompetent and you'd have to be an absolute idiot to defend her. Luckily the likely 2 are on ignore.

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Still fascinated which school she went to

 

[David O'Day]

I'm informed grenners is trying to talk to me.

As below you are on ignore for being a weirdo.

Get a job

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[Grendel]

Oh dear

 

[Astute]

It’s in resolves to sick boy who says Italian workers have to wear one for the whole shift and cannot change them

Twisting it again. What a surprise. She is a midwife. The patients don't have the virus.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Imagine if this were Dianne Abbott:

We've done eleventy billion tests.

Not bothered by it. People slip up, especially when reading or remembering numbers. Just saying neither are a reason to castigate someone.

Her views on British workers, key workers, and the death penalty are enough for that.

It was just a slip-up and there's far more to criticise her for. However it will be interesting to see the reaction to it as Abbott's was supposedly all because she's a woman and/or ethnic minority, boxes Patel also ticks.

Will she get the Abbott treatment, or the Hammond treatment?

 

[Grendel]

Twisting it again. What a surprise. She is a midwife. The patients don't have the virus.

Have they been tested? Also carers going to homes are with people untrsted? So are you saying if on wards in the uk which are coded as green (not Coronavirus areas) then any health staff using extra PPE equipment above one is one using them?

Are you Matt Hancock?

 

[Astute]

We've done eleventy billion tests.



It was just a slip-up and there's far more to criticise her for. However it will be interesting to see the reaction to it as Abbott's was supposedly all because she's a woman and/or ethnic minority, boxes Patel also ticks.

Will she get the Abbott treatment, or the Hammond treatment?

She has got the Abbott treatment. Look at how many have made the same comment. Look at how many have agreed with posts against her.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So genuine question to all the Brexiteers. Would you be happy with the big leave day being postponed off the back of this current situation? I have no agenda or follow up point btw, just interested as it seems split on social media within the brexit ranks.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

She has got the Abbott treatment. Look at how many have made the same comment. Look at how many have agreed with posts against her.

The Abbott treatment will be if people are still using it as a stick to beat her with in three years time.

 

[David O'Day]

The Abbott treatment will be if people are still using it as a stick to beat her with in three years time.

Exactly.



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[Astute]

Have they been tested? Also carers going to homes are with people untrsted? So are you saying if on wards in the uk which are coded as green (not Coronavirus areas) then any health staff using extra PPE equipment above one is one using them?

Are you Matt Hancock?

SB said they had.

Have we got enough PPE for those who need it? I defended them at first. But the Tories have had long enough to sort it out. All they are doing is coming out with bluster. And you try to defend them along the way.

The situation is too serious to defend. Won't stop you from trying though.

 

[Astute]

The Abbott treatment will be if people are still using it as a stick to beat her with in three years time.

Stumbling on a number and being miles away with a number are not the same.

 

[shmmeee]

We've done eleventy billion tests.



It was just a slip-up and there's far more to criticise her for. However it will be interesting to see the reaction to it as Abbott's was supposedly all because she's a woman and/or ethnic minority, boxes Patel also ticks.

Will she get the Abbott treatment, or the Hammond treatment?

She a fit P**i who also hates immigrants tho sooo....

 

[Grendel]

She has got the Abbott treatment. Look at how many have made the same comment. Look at how many have agreed with posts against her.

So the Patel treatment is racially motivated?

 

[skybluetony176]

Patels plan is to relax rules and restrictions on non Eu applicants

Her parents wouldn’t have been allowed in under any criteria for years what are you on about?

Home Secretary Priti Patel admits own parents might not have been allowed into UK under her new immigration laws

 

[David O'Day]

Home Secretary Priti Patel admits own parents might not have been allowed into UK under her new immigration laws

Facts and grendel are not the closest of friends

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[Grendel]

SB said they had.

Have we got enough PPE for those who need it? I defended them at first. But the Tories have had long enough to sort it out. All they are doing is coming out with bluster. And you try to defend them along the way.

The situation is too serious to defend. Won't stop you from trying though.

We certainly have as much as Italy - I’m amazed they are testing non. Coronavirus patients every day in green wards. Also I’m pretty sure it’s not much different here for all staff - short for front line and not for those who are not

 

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[Astute]

So the Patel treatment is racially motivated?

Shit excuse

 

[Ian1779]

Stumbling on a number and being miles away with a number are not the same.

Just ask Phillip Hammond

 

[Astute]

We certainly have as much as Italy - I’m amazed they are testing non. Coronavirus patients every day in green wards. Also I’m pretty sure it’s not much different here for all staff - short for front line and not for those who are not

So Italy are the benchmark to compare ourselves to?