Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (3 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

It makes me laugh that the people thinking they are taking the higher ground here are actually as bad as, if not worse than the people they are trying to argue with.

There's many people on here that need to take a good look at themselves. It's just the Brexit thread part two, with the same bitter souls putting words in the mouths of others because they can't cope with their favoured politics being rejected by the majority of country.

Maybe by being a little bit more understanding and open to honest and adult debate something good could come of it. I guess we'll have to accept that will never happen though.

This thread really is pathetic.

I just spent the last 5 minutes looking at myself and I can still see that the government royally fucked up, it didn’t work m8

 

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[Ring Of Steel]

frontline staff are dying because of political incompetence, you think it doesn't need highlighting?
It really fucking does.
Its not Brexit mark 2.
What understanding are you suggesting and these needs to be good to excuse frontline staff dying due to lack of the correct equipment.

like I said- politics is religion.

Someone in Labour talks about having a party if Boris dies? Outrage! horror! String him up!

multiple deaths due to govt failures? You’re just bitter about Brexit

all decency disappeared.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

frontline staff are dying because of political incompetence, you think it doesn't need highlighting?
It really fucking does.
Its not Brexit mark 2.
What understanding are you suggesting and these needs to be good to excuse frontline staff dying due to lack of the correct equipment.

A lot of this thread is absolutely nothing to do with Coronavirus.

It's an easy excuse for some to hide behind though.

 

[David O'Day]

Coronavirus: Public wearing masks is 'cosmetic, not effective' - UK doctor

Dr Chris Smith of Cambridge University talking about face masks.

He is clear he is talking about the usage of masks by the general public and not frontline NHS staff

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

like I said- politics is religion.

Someone in Labour talks about having a party if Boris dies? Outrage! horror! String him up!

multiple deaths due to govt failures? You’re just bitter about Brexit

all decency disappeared.

What is with this victim mentality?

As far as I can see, all parties have been criticised. I think Labour are a load of shit, but my thoughts on the tories are almost exactly the same.

I don't know why some think it is such one way traffic when it's pretty obvious the abuse has been coming from both sides.

 

[clint van damme]

like I said- politics is religion.

Someone in Labour talks about having a party if Boris dies? Outrage! horror! String him up!

multiple deaths due to govt failures? You’re just bitter about Brexit

all decency disappeared.

it's absolutely embarrassing and shows total disdain for our NHS staff.
I've asked twice on this thread is there a need to call back more experienced Tories due to the firstly lack of numbers due to isolation and then gain due to the evident lack of experience. But this is all about partisan politics, fucking pathetic.

I'd hail Tommy Robinson as a hero if he flew in with a plane load of the correct equipment. Some people need a look at themselves.

 

[skybluetony176]

So why are so many in charge of the wards desperately requesting it? Are there studies proving it's ineffective and thus stop us wasting time and money on it?

I'm getting images of that Blackadder episode with Tom Baker on whether a ship needed a crew. "Opinion is divided on the subject. All the other captains say it is. I say it isn't"

The WHO actually says that masks on their own aren’t effective. The same way as a crash helmet won’t stop you getting road rash if you come off a motorbike wearing just a crash helmet and underpants. You need full PPE for it to be at its most effective not part PPE.

 

[clint van damme]

A lot of this thread is absolutely nothing to do with Coronavirus.

It's an easy excuse for some to hide behind though.

examples?
I hope you're not suggesting me because I've stuck up for the NHS and the staff on every fucking political thread on this forum. I actually genuinely believe they're heroes beyond clapping on my door step on a Thursday evening.
You're the one showing an agenda here.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

What is with this victim mentality?

As far as I can see, all parties have been criticised. I think Labour are a load of shit, but my thoughts on the tories are almost exactly the same.

I don't know why some think it is such one way traffic when it's pretty obvious the abuse has been coming from both sides.

I have not said it’s one way, I have said on multiple occasions that it’s both ways and the country is fucked up. However you up there in your ivory tower need to face facts that when disastrous mistakes are made then it is customary to ask questions of the people that made those mistakes.

Why don’t you say what you think? Don’t just come on here waffling about labour being bitter and Brexit- do you think mistakes were made on COVID19? Do you think our response and handling has been good? If you don’t have an answer or you’re just not willing to say it then probably best to pipe down from criticising people who do (very understandably) want some answers.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Coronavirus: Public wearing masks is 'cosmetic, not effective' - UK doctor

Dr Chris Smith of Cambridge University talking about face masks.

He is clear he is talking about the usage of masks by the general public and not frontline NHS staff

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did some people really not understand that, and are we seriously at the point where people are saying that PPE in healthcare is ineffective as a way to deflect from the fact we can’t provide it?

 

[David O'Day]

The WHO actually says that masks on their own aren’t effective. The same way as a crash helmet won’t stop you getting road rash if you come off a motorbike wearing just a crash helmet and underpants. You need full PPE for it to be at its most effective not part PPE.

Grenners appears from the posts were someone has quoted him been usingba virologist stating masks are effective for normal.peolle as evidence the NHS doesn't need them

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[Ring Of Steel]

What is with this victim mentality?

As far as I can see, all parties have been criticised. I think Labour are a load of shit, but my thoughts on the tories are almost exactly the same.

I don't know why some think it is such one way traffic when it's pretty obvious the abuse has been coming from both sides.

who is saying it’s all one way traffic?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

examples?
I hope you're not suggesting me because I've stuck up for the NHS and the staff on every fucking political thread on this forum. I actually genuinely believe they're heroes beyond clapping on my door step on a Thursday evening.
You're the one showing an agenda here.

What the fuck are you on about?

My agenda is that both sides of the political spectrum are are each others throats about any bit of dust they can kick up. Relevant or not relevant.

What examples do you want? Jimmy Saville? Brexit? How many houses you own? Deep down you know I've got a point. Why would this thread have been moved over here if I didn't?

Equally no one has said anything about not appreciating the NHS. All I see though is some sad bitter men on here.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Grenners appears from the posts were someone has quoted him been usingba virologist stating masks are effective for normal.peolle as evidence the NHS doesn't need them

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yeah I’m gonna give the app a miss as it seems to mess up what you try to type

 

[Ring Of Steel]

What the fuck are you on about?

My agenda is that both sides of the political spectrum are are each others throats about any bit of dust they can kick up. Relevant or not relevant.

What examples do you want? Jimmy Saville? Brexit? How many houses you own? Deep down you know I've got a point. Why would this thread have been moved over here if I didn't?

Equally no one has said anything about not appreciating the NHS. All I see though is some sad bitter men on here.

I actually agree with a lot of what you say there, but who are these ‘sad individuals’, because it comes across like you have perceived the Conservatives to be getting a kick in and felt aggravated by if. What is your view on the way they’ve handled it? Because like it or not it is them that have handled it

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

who is saying it’s all one way traffic?

You literally just said about 10 minutes ago that there was a difference between how labour get treated and the tories with your example about making Boris jokes and Brexit.

I don't see why I have to be a hardcore Labour or Tory supporter. I despise both of them in pretty equal measure and I've also openly criticised both or them when I've deemed it necessary.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

it's absolutely embarrassing and shows total disdain for our NHS staff.
I've asked twice on this thread is there a need to call back more experienced Tories due to the firstly lack of numbers due to isolation and then gain due to the evident lack of experience. But this is all about partisan politics, fucking pathetic.

I'd hail Tommy Robinson as a hero if he flew in with a plane load of the correct equipment. Some people need a look at themselves.

I completely agree. I actually saw a letter on twitter apparently from Boris, inviting people from across parties and ex- ministers to ‘join the team’, but I never saw it again or heard anything about it so wrote it off as a fake or something.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I actually agree with a lot of what you say there, but who are these ‘sad individuals’, because it comes across like you have perceived the Conservatives to be getting a kick in and felt aggravated by if. What is your view on the way they’ve handled it? Because like it or not it is them that have handled it

I've openly said I think they could have dealt with it better. Equally I think Labour would have dealt with it worse.

I have little faith in any of them to be quite honest, but I'll happily applaud the right moves if I see them made, regardless of who it is from.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You literally just said about 10 minutes ago that there was a difference between how labour get treated and the tories with your example about making Boris jokes and Brexit.

I don't see why I have to be a hardcore Labour or Tory supporter. I despise both of them in pretty equal measure and I've also openly criticised both or them when I've deemed it necessary.

I’ve also gone on record right here as saying they’re “all as bad as each fucking other”

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I've openly said I think they could have dealt with it better. Equally I think Labour would have dealt with it worse.

I have little faith in any of them to be quite honest, but I'll happily applaud the right moves if I see them made, regardless of who it is from.

Well then we are actually saying very similar things, but don’t run down people who want answers from the people who have made all the mistakes

 

[Brylowes]

As I mentioned to to Tony, I’d imagine they were talking about changing between coronavirus patients only and they’d be in separate units

They may well be changing between suspected Coronavirus patients ‘as many people
With all the symptoms aren’t tested.

 

[clint van damme]

What the fuck are you on about?

My agenda is that both sides of the political spectrum are are each others throats about any bit of dust they can kick up. Relevant or not relevant.

What examples do you want? Jimmy Saville? Brexit? How many houses you own? Deep down you know I've got a point. Why would this thread have been moved over here if I didn't?

Equally no one has said anything about not appreciating the NHS. All I see though is some sad bitter men on here.

That's the worse attempt at deflection I've seen. Yes, the thread goes off topic at times, but the crux of it is, you either think the government has done a god job on protecting staff or it hasn't? Are you going to defend them when they've clearly fucked up?

The other issue is the herd immunity/ calling lock down too late argument. I've actually defended them a little bit on this but it's all ' a favourite politician being rejected'

You're looking silly mate.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Anyway- it’s warm, it’s Easter, so Happy Easter to all, whether you’re Conservative, Labour- whatever- lots of stuff flying around here and I hope once it’s over we don’t all totally despise each other &can write it off to ‘lockdown syndrome’. Hope everyone has as good a day as it’s possible to have

... all apart from The Lurker- fuck you, Lurker

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well then we are actually saying very similar things, but don’t run down people who want answers from the people who have made all the mistakes

I'm all for holding the government to account. I detest them. I just think this goes a lot further than that and I'm pretty sick of it.

If I had to be honest there is an alarming amount of politicians in this country across all parties that in my opinion are not remotely even fit enough to serve.

 

[David O'Day]

That's the worse attempt at deflection I've seen. Yes, the thread goes off topic at times, but the crux of it is, you either think the government has done a god job on protecting staff or it hasn't? Are you going to defend them when they've clearly fucked up?

The other issue is the herd immunity/ calling lock down too late argument. I've actually defended them a little bit on this but it's all ' a favourite politician being rejected'

You're looking silly mate.

I have also defended them on herd immunity. While there is no vaccine it is the only way to return to normal.

The argument is how many people would die. Looking at the stats behind the deaths there are a lot of older people dying so it would be hard to protect them.

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That's the worse attempt at deflection I've seen. Yes, the thread goes off topic at times, but the crux of it is, you either think the government has done a god job on protecting staff or it hasn't? Are you going to defend them when they've clearly fucked up?

The other issue is the herd immunity/ calling lock down too late argument. I've actually defended them a little bit on this but it's all ' a favourite politician being rejected'

You're looking silly mate.

I might be a dickhead sometimes, but I'm a self aware one. I can't see anywhere here where I've made myself look silly.

I've come on here to point out that many people are behaving ridiculously and the coronavirus is just another way to get their political bias across. Given that you jumped down my throat at the first opportunity, I would question your deflection here, rather than my own pretty straight angle.

I've clearly stated several times that the government should be held to account for their mishandling of things. As the son of a nurse/midwife, I know all too well about working conditions under both governments so I can safely say it's appalling across the board. In fact, it makes me pretty sick in the stomach.

I came on here to try and shed a bit of clarity from a more neutral perspective, and put a message out that some people should get a bit of a grip. Not really sure why you are firing shots at me.

 

[Brylowes]

She has got the Abbott treatment. Look at how many have made the same comment. Look at how many have agreed with posts against her.

It remains to be seen as to whether she receives the Abbot treatment or not, as Abbot is still
Receiving the treatment ‘from what I can make out.

 

[Brylowes]

Cheis Smith a senior virologist has frequently stated they are not of much use at all - explained in some detail on a 5 line interview last Saturday (he takes Q and A every week) - I think the Cambridge educated Mr Smith might know more than you

So Are you saying that for instance,
If you wear the mask and you have the virus, it won’t prevent you spreading the virus to others
If you cough or sneeze in a public place ?

 

[fernandopartridge]

It makes me laugh that the people thinking they are taking the higher ground here are actually as bad as, if not worse than the people they are trying to argue with.

There's many people on here that need to take a good look at themselves. It's just the Brexit thread part two, with the same bitter souls putting words in the mouths of others because they can't cope with their favoured politics being rejected by the majority of country.

Maybe by being a little bit more understanding and open to honest and adult debate something good could come of it. I guess we'll have to accept that will never happen though.

This thread really is pathetic.

You Tories get so sore when faced with the reality that you voted for, don't be such a snowflake.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It remains to be seen as to whether she receives the Abbot treatment or not, as Abbot is still
Receiving the treatment ‘from what I can make out.

Although I am loath to back up Patel in any way, shape or form, her error was just one of stumbling over her words rather than just getting her actual figures wrong. So I don't expect her to get quite as much grief over it as Abbott. If she does though it would be quite instructive as to where the criticism is coming from, esp as an ex-Chancellor got relatively little in comparison for also getting the figures wrong.

 

[clint van damme]

Although I am loath to back up Patel in any way, shape or form, her error was just one of stumbling over her words rather than just getting her actual figures wrong. So I don't expect her to get quite as much grief over it as Abbott. If she does though it would be quite instructive as to where the criticism is coming from, esp as an ex-Chancellor got relatively little in comparison for also getting the figures wrong.

think most people are of the same mind, it's an easy mistake, but we all know what would have happened to Abbott.
And to be fair to Priti vacant she was probably quoting Hancocks figures on testing so she may have actually read it how it was written.

 

[PVA]

It makes me laugh that the people thinking they are taking the higher ground here are actually as bad as, if not worse than the people they are trying to argue with.

There's many people on here that need to take a good look at themselves. It's just the Brexit thread part two, with the same bitter souls putting words in the mouths of others because they can't cope with their favoured politics being rejected by the majority of country.

Maybe by being a little bit more understanding and open to honest and adult debate something good could come of it. I guess we'll have to accept that will never happen though.

This thread really is pathetic.

Or maybe, just maybe, people aren't trying to take the higher ground or point score, maybe they're genuinely upset and angry at the appalling response by the government and that thousands of people are dying?

Just a thought.

 

[Grendel]

People playing golf on the local golf course and even drinking on the terrace earlier this evening, they’d even bought some flags

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

And it seems to be those wearing some kind of face mask. They think they are invincible.

I just get straight to the point. 'Get out of my fucking space'

Went to the Supermarket today and a guy was wearing a bin bag on his HEAD.

The World's Gone Nuts.

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Anyway Patel is better eye candy than Abbott.
Can we all agree on that?