Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[PVA]

Other than Germany we have handled as well as any other major western industrial country.

Nice criteria. Basically filtering it down to get the few countries that have been hit the worst to make us not look so bad.

We had a two week headstart and have absolutely fucked it. It's indefensible.

 

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[Astute]

Of course people want change - the last thing they want is for the Labour Party to go back to being an iteration of the Tories. I hope Starmer will deliver and he will get my support until it’s evident he won’t do what he pledged.

So why do you constantly try to disagree with me? Or you just want change of what got Labour into power last time and stay on the very left? Because that is what it sounds like.

Had enough. Going to bed for an hour or so.

 

[Ian1779]

Helpful?

(Sorry, can't keep up!)

Sir Keir Starmer did more on anti-Semitism in 'four days' than Jeremy Corbyn, claim Jewish leaders

To prove it was weaponised? Yes indeed

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Corbyn was tbe Andy Thorn of politics. He’d have been sacked from any normal business years ago

I do think Corbyn got a very tough, and unfair deal from many, especially on a personal level.

Unfortunately it's probably fair to say he's an excellent, hard working constituency MP, but not a natural leader.

 

[Grendel]

As you know, that’s not what he asked you- but in fairness you are something of a lone voice and you took a hell of a beating yesterday, so ok.

I was hardly on here yesterday and I’m happy to take a beating from a minority who will scream and whine once again I’m 5 years time and find more excuses why their brand of politics is as palatable to the majority as a plate of cold sick

 

[Ian1779]

So why do you constantly try to disagree with me? Or you just want change of what got Labour into power last time and stay on the very left? Because that is what it sounds like.

Had enough. Going to bed for an hour or so.

I very rarely disagree with you if you actually look. Challenge, tweak, adapt, suggest but rarely disagree.

 

[Astute]

Who’s in charge right now? What do Labour have to do with it?

I kind of give up on you at this point, you don’t make sense.

You just said you keep skating Labour as well as the Tories. But you haven't.

Oddly enough you shouldn't either. But to make a comment like that........

 

[Astute]

I very rarely disagree with you if you actually look. Challenge, tweak, adapt, suggest but rarely disagree.

But you never agree with me even when you agree with what I say...... You always word it in a different way.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You just said you keep skating Labour as well as the Tories. But you haven't.

Oddly enough you shouldn't either. But to make a comment like that........

I think you need to go have that lie down, and stop thinking everyone is out to get you & deliberately disagree with you.

 

[Grendel]

I do think Corbyn got a very tough, and unfair deal from many, especially on a personal level.

Unfortunately it's probably fair to say he's an excellent, hard working constituency MP, but not a natural leader.

Corbyn was for many a lunatic fringe man of the 80’s who sided with very unpleasant people and has a catastrophic record regarding foreign affairs. He should have been sacked years ago

 

[Brylowes]

Just add it to the list

Windrush
Grenfell
Universal Credit
COVID19

but they know how to win elections so that has to say something about the opposition as well, not sure it should be that difficult to evict people that inflict death & suffering on their own people from number 10

I think you are doing the popular/gutter press a disservice there to be honest.It’s no coincidence
that Labours only election victories in the last 40 years ‘are also the only elections they had the
Backing of the Sun newspaper.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I was hardly on here yesterday and I’m happy to take a beating from a minority who will scream and whine once again I’m 5 years time and find more excuses why their brand of politics is as palatable to the majority as a plate of cold sick

Whichever day, they all feel the same. They are unelectable which is a massive indictment when you look at what the Conservatives have presided over- I don’t know enough about Starmer to say either way whether he’s gonna make any difference.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I think you are doing the popular/gutter press a disservice there to be honest.It’s no coincidence
that Labours only election victories in the last 40 years ‘are also the only elections they had the
Backing of the Sun newspaper.

like I said before, The Sun has won every election since 1979

 

[Ian1779]

But you never agree with me even when you agree with what I say...... You always word it in a different way.

You’re not perfect mate :happy:

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn was for many a lunatic fringe man of the 80’s who sided with very unpleasant people and has a catastrophic record regarding foreign affairs. He should have been sacked years ago

Catastrophic record on foreign affairs... yeah I forgot he was way wrong with his Iraq war call...

 

[Grendel]

Whichever day, they all feel the same. They are unelectable which is a massive indictment when you look at what the Conservatives have presided over- I don’t know enough about Starmer to say either way whether he’s gonna make any difference.

The most hilarious interview of that tired leadership campaign was when the 3 leadership candidates were asked who was the best labour leader

They couldn’t name one. It was hilarious as they were frightened of upsetting one of the fringes

The answer is Blair - even if they’d wheeled Blair out in the last election he’d have been more popular than that sad useless Corbyn - he couldn’t even run a chip shop

 

[clint van damme]

I do think Corbyn got a very tough, and unfair deal from many, especially on a personal level.

Unfortunately it's probably fair to say he's an excellent, hard working constituency MP, but not a natural leader.

I think there are a lot of Mps who get promoted due to great work in constituencies but aren't up to ministerial/shadow ministerial posts.

Promoted a level too far happens to individuals in many companies and professions.

 

[Grendel]

Catastrophic record on foreign affairs... yeah I forgot he was way wrong with his Iraq war call...

Let’s play yes or no
Did Corbyn get arrested Ian for protesting on behalf of Patrick Magee the brighton bomber - yes or no?

 

[Brylowes]

Well one person says that. My point about Ireland is it’s a very different country to England. It’s more similar to Sweden and is running at the same death rate per population despite a very different approach

One person ?
Unless the virus suddenly mutates and changes it’s known behaviour ‘that’s going to happen isn’t it ?

We are going to have the worst numbers in Europe aren’t we ?

 

[Flying Fokker]

Boris Johnson discharged from hospital.

 

[shmmeee]

I think there are a lot of Mps who get promoted due to great work in constituencies but aren't up to ministerial/shadow ministerial posts.

Promoted a level too far happens to individuals in many companies and professions.

The Peter Principle.

I don’t think that’s it with Corbyn and the rest of the SCG. I just think campaigning and activism are very different tasks to electioneering and leading a diverse organisation.

 

[Ian1779]

Let’s play yes or no
Did Corbyn get arrested Ian for protesting on behalf of Patrick Magee the brighton bomber - yes or no?

Yes he did
Seeing as we are playing this game... was he wrong or right on the Iraq War?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The most hilarious interview of that tired leadership campaign was when the 3 leadership candidates were asked who was the best labour leader

They couldn’t name one. It was hilarious as they were frightened of upsetting one of the fringes

The answer is Blair - even if they’d wheeled Blair out in the last election he’d have been more popular than that sad useless Corbyn - he couldn’t even run a chip shop

yes- I have to qualify my statements on this stuff as I am comparatively politically ignorant, but I agree with you. Blair has been demonised (and I’m not getting involved in the rights and wrongs) but he was better & more effective than Corbyn and everyone since could ever hope to be. That I’m sure is going to elicit howls of dissent but it’s a fact.

 

[shmmeee]

yes- I have to qualify my statements on this stuff as I am comparatively politically ignorant, but I agree with you. Blair has been demonised (and I’m not getting involved in the rights and wrongs) but he was better & more effective than Corbyn and everyone since could ever hope to be. That I’m sure is going to elicit howls of dissent but it’s a fact.

Atlee by a country mile. You can’t compare NMW and Sure Start to the founding of the NHS and welfare state.

Blair second, but very few of his changes lasted more than one term after he’d gone. Whereas it’s still political poison to try and remove the NHS.

 

[Brylowes]

Other than Germany we have handled as well as any other major western industrial country.

But we had big geographical and timescale advantages over them didn’t we ?
And we are still going to record worse numbers than them.

 

[Ian1779]

yes- I have to qualify my statements on this stuff as I am comparatively politically ignorant, but I agree with you. Blair has been demonised (and I’m not getting involved in the rights and wrongs) but he was better & more effective than Corbyn and everyone since could ever hope to be. That I’m sure is going to elicit howls of dissent but it’s a fact.

The Labour Party rot began with Blair as soon as everyone realised he was just a Red Tory....

In the sense of how ‘mainstream’ leadership is defined then yes you are right.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think there are a lot of Mps who get promoted due to great work in constituencies but aren't up to ministerial/shadow ministerial posts.

Promoted a level too far happens to individuals in many companies and professions.

It does. I often get baffled at how being good at one job automatically makes someone suited to be a manager.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Atlee by a country mile. You can’t compare NMW and Sure Start to the founding of the NHS and welfare state.

Blair second, but very few of his changes lasted more than one term after he’d gone. Whereas it’s still political poison to try and remove the NHS.

yes- i was on about since but you’re right I’d say.

 

[Brylowes]

Corbyn was tbe Andy Thorn of politics. He’d have been sacked from any normal business years ago

So Would Johnson, you know his track record.

 

[Ian1779]

Many thought Corbyn was a good leader.....And many still think the same way.

I do - but I put that down to what I perceive as the qualities for good leadership.

I however acknowledge that does not work for a vast amount of people, despite my wishing to the contrary.

 

[shmmeee]

The Labour Party rot began with Blair as soon as everyone realised he was just a Red Tory....

In the sense of how ‘mainstream’ leadership is defined then yes you are right.

Nah, the rot began with trying to force high immigration down British people’s throats culminating in Browns “bigoted woman” gaff. The expenses scandal solidified us as “all the same”.

That’s when Labour started losing its base and we can’t win without them.

The final nail in the coffin has been try e weaponisation of conspiracy theory by the right and the gaming of social media algorithms. Before we used to agree there was an issue but disagree how to solve it, now the right disagrees there’s even an issue.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I’ve repeated numerous times on here she’s a midwife over the last 5 years.

I wasn’t actually trying to make out she was on the frontline either, nor did I say she was, I feel worried about her enough as it is.

Thanks. Full respect to your girlfriend, I genuinely wasn’t aware it was common knowledge that she’s a midwife. I have a sister-in-law who’s also a midwife at Frimley Park and we’re all concerned for her too. She’s dedicated and incredibly hard working but just like you and yours, she’s self-effacing and right now would never describe herself as frontline given the heartbreaking battle going on in ICU.

Bottom line they’re all heroes.

 

[Ian1779]

Nah, the rot began with trying to force high immigration down British people’s throats culminating in Browns “bigoted woman” gaff. The expenses scandal solidified us as “all the same”.

That’s when Labour started losing its base and we can’t win without them.

The final nail in the coffin has been try e weaponisation of conspiracy theory by the right and the gaming of social media algorithms. Before we used to agree there was an issue but disagree how to solve it, now the right disagrees there’s even an issue.

I can’t see us reclaiming Scotland especially when the current shadow foreign secretary said that we should look to Catalonia to see how to deal with nationalism... that shit sticks and will most definitely be brought up again in time.

 

[shmmeee]

So Would Johnson, you know his track record.

Johnson and Corbyn and their cabinets were/are just as incompetent as each other. You really can’t use that as an excuse for voting Tory.

 

[PVA]

But we had big geographical and timescale advantages over them didn’t we ?
And we are still going to record worse numbers than them.

Yep. But Grendel still thinks we handled it better than Italy and refuses to place any criticism on the government.