Very selective?That is a very selective summary if you don’t mind me saying.
Almost like you have an agenda or prejudged opinion.
To which I fully agree with.I don't think a policy to renationalise the railways was the probelm , it was that that policy extended to renationalising everything. I think renationalising railways was popular. Not that that made a great deal of difference over all.
It was a poor campaign and the concessions made to centrists over Europe was a killer.
McDonnell held his hands up to getting it wrong, I don't think Corbyn ever did.
Very selective?
I missed out the alleged bits. I missed out the parts which were said by those that we don't know who they are.
OK. What has Starmer had to do with it? And this includes CVD. He wasn't in charge when it all went on. He wasn't in charge when the party legal decided to drop it.
It was a campaign on Boris’ terms - he set the agenda, he already had the tag lines ready to go. We pushed for an election we didn’t want. Political suicide at its finest. Just look at Swinson... hers was even worse!
How about all the skeletons in the closet which gave too much ammunition out to those who didn't like him? And yet again it isn't me saying he was guilty of anything. But he was there to be shot down. He also elected people he had been with for many years instead of those who could have done a better job. And personally don't think he held an audience well.The only thing we ever disagreed on was Corbyn. I believed (and still do) that he was a decent man with decent principles and the right moral compass. I concede that is clearly not enough - as much as that frustrates me.
The whole Sky News thing is showing what lots of people always believed in the party.... it was an inside job to undermine the leadership by obstructing the process of a small amount of complaints to create a narrative of incompetence and ignoring the problem. And that’s not even getting into the biggest issue which is all about support of Palestine... it’s the crux of it all. Just look at how they tried the same stuff on Sanders (like they did to Miliband as well) - Sanders shut it down by calling it out as shit from Day 1.
Very selective?
I missed out the alleged bits. I missed out the parts which were said by those that we don't know who they are.
OK. What has Starmer had to do with it? And this includes CVD. He wasn't in charge when it all went on. He wasn't in charge when the party legal decided to drop it.
I quoted the start of the article and the end of the article. Most of the rest was hearsay. And none of it blamed Starmer for anything. But you seem to have it in for him.Indeed, he quoted only the sources who want the report suppressed, the first half of the report tells a different story.
Astute is quite within his rights to agree with the former but personally I don't.
How about all the skeletons in the closet which gave too much ammunition out to those who didn't like him? And yet again it isn't me saying he was guilty of anything. But he was there to be shot down. He also elected people he had been with for many years instead of those who could have done a better job. And personally don't think he held an audience well.
Don't you remember that renationalisation was on offer of the railways at cost. When I said it would be better to wait until the franchise's expire many agreed with me. And that includes those who somehow see me as anti Labour.renationalisng railways does not cost billions, it doesn't cost anything if you do it as franchises expire. The government do it all the time.
It was the renationisation of utilities that would cost billions.
In fairness it was they that pushed for the election, Labour were stuck between a rock and a hard place.
The whole Brexit fiasco was a Tory fuck up ‘it really should have finished that party for a generation at
Least, the fact it’s ended up doing that very thing to Labour is a measure of the politicaly baron landscape
We live in.
Don't you remember that renationalisation was on offer of the railways at cost. When I said it would be better to wait until the franchise's expire many agreed with me. And that includes those who somehow see me as anti Labour.
Starmer has only just got the job. It would have already been sorted before he could have a say. And like the part that I quoted 'I hope Starmer follows through with what he promised' on the subject of fighting against what has gone on. Give him a chance. If he dies nothing I will agree with you.I'd imagine the party lawyers can only recommend not submitting it. I doubt they could instruct the party leader or those concerned not to.
As far as I'm concerned we have a man at the helm who has refused to reveal his financial backers and who has suppressed an important report, red flags going up everywhere.
I quoted the start of the article and the end of the article. Most of the rest was hearsay. And none of it blamed Starmer for anything. But you seem to have it in for him.
Starmer has only just got the job. It would have already been sorted before he could have a say. And like the part that I quoted 'I hope Starmer follows through with what he promised' on the subject of fighting against what has gone on. Give him a chance. If he dies nothing I will agree with you.
Which is what I said at the time and got slaughtered for. And still get slaughtered for now.he made many,many mistakes.
George Galloway did a critique of his leadership on his radio show last week and he was spot on with many of his observations. I liked a lot of what he was trying to do but with hindsight, and it was obvious at the time to many but I didn't see it clearly myself, he was a poor leader. Still a decent man with decent ideas though in my opinion.
Which has been my exact point.If you are right about the decision being pre-Starmer - which isn’t clear from the article either way, he needs to come out as the leader and insist that this is submitted.
If not then it ‘appears’ that the unity line he said last week is actually not the case. Seeing as the ‘grown ups’ are back in charge, let’s see if they do the ‘grown up’ thing.
Which is what I said at the time and got slaughtered for. And still get slaughtered for now.
Sometimes I just can't get my head around it. I desperately want a Labour government. But I am not supposed to mention any problems I see. Even those who now like yourself acknowledge that he wasn't the best person to have as leader still constantly have a go at me for saying so.
So much for the head start
UK coronavirus death toll 'could end up being highest in Europe'
It isn't really hindsight, the evidence for foresight was all there. It was a deliberate act which they must pay for.Saw that interview. Depressing stuff.
We definitely locked down too late. But as ever hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I just hope Johnson didn't ignore his medical team to go with advise given by Cummings because that would be unforgivable.
renationalisng railways does not cost billions, it doesn't cost anything if you do it as franchises expire. The government do it all the time.
It was the renationisation of utilities that would cost billions.
He hasn't that I know of either. But would the rags have said so?I haven't had a go at you for saying so. The campaign was a shambles.
Like I said, and I might be wrong, I dont think he has acknowledged that.
Personally I don’t think Mail and water are worth it right now, and we should’ve gone with the 2017 policy (maybe we did part of the problem was even Labour members didn’t know all our positions) of having community ran energy companies competing with the big six.
Once we started talking about forcing companies to sell below market value we sounded mental TBH.
He hasn't that I know of either. But would the rags have said so?
Didn't say yourself. I said those like you that have recognised since that he wasn't a good leader. Just look at how many people actually agree with me but try to word it differently.
We missed out on a massive chance of having a Labour government. The Tories were in disarray. And on top of that they elected Boris. And ideal Labour moment became a nightmare.
And this is where I personally differ to most again.I disagree on water. We should renationalise and get what is becoming an increasingly precious commodity under state ownership.
The water companies are constantly under performing and send fortunes out of the country in terms of dividends.
I agree about the mail and like your idea on community ran energy companies.
Don't think renationalising the energy companies was feasible.
I think the eyes can absorb the virus can’t they.But if the masks work why do they wear full face visors? I get my temperature taken before I am allowed on site at work each shift. They wear the full visors.
And sadly I have to agree.In 2017 I’d agree totally - and more galling is that fact that people in the party tried their hardest to undermine from within. The momentum and public feeling was there then. However the moment we turned away from not respecting the vote we were done for (I said this repeatedly at the time too) - we helped to kick the can down the road and it got solely pinned on us. (See the LD taking the brunt for the 2010-15 coalition)
They only had to get one thing right and it was enough for them. As a country we have gone around the world critiquing other countries for not adhering to democracy - and we didn’t even look inwards at ourselves. It could have been Johnson, Gove even bloody Rees-Mogg or Patel, they would still have won in 2019.
If you touch something contaminated then touch your face without washing your hands you are at risk. Same if you are wearing gloves.I think the eyes can absorb the virus can’t they.
Just look at the controversy surrounding Thames Water, dividend payments and who actually paid for the investment in the Thames Tideway Scheme. The tax payer ultimately bore the brunt of the huge investment either as customers or through tax relief. The people who receive dividends from the profits of Thames Water ultimately invested nothing in a scheme that ultimately assists their dividends. Money for nothing, literally.I disagree on water. We should renationalise and get what is becoming an increasingly precious commodity under state ownership.
The water companies are constantly under performing and send fortunes out of the country in terms of dividends.
I agree about the mail and like your idea on community ran energy companies.
Don't think renationalising the energy companies was feasible.
They haven’t got a problem - they have a very small issue.If Labour get rid of momentum and sort out their anti Semitic problem they’ll get my vote next time!!
Saw that interview. Depressing stuff.
We definitely locked down too late. But as ever hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I just hope Johnson didn't ignore his medical team to go with advise given by Cummings because that would be unforgivable.
It is an issue that is a massive problem. If it wasn't a problem and only a very small issue it wouldn't even be mentioned.They haven’t got a problem - they have a very small issue.
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