shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Seen this referenced a lot, haven’t read the report. What’s the bit about AS being weaponised?
No uproar about her appointment in the media at all.
Little uproar in the media about the leaked Labour report which clearly shows antisemitism was being weaponised.
No uproar about the antisemitic cartoon sanctioned by George Osbourne.
It's almost as if people don't care about it any more. Strange that.
Just reading about this on the BBC website and apparently many EU countries have too much PPE as a result of the scheme.
Exactly.Considering the symptomatic period is about 7 days what what I’ve read that two doctor thing seems to just be a way of not testing anyone until they’re really serious to keep numbers down.
Seen this referenced a lot, haven’t read the report. What’s the bit about AS being weaponised?
Got a link please.Just reading about this on the BBC website and apparently many EU countries have too much PPE as a result of the scheme.
That's the bit I didn't know about. They are going into work stillSounds as though they volunteered which is ok I think.
Definitely fine to volunteer. Whether it's ok to do it at the firm you work for I'm.not sure
There's all sorts in there it's very damning.
But there's evidence of antisemitism complaints having evidence destroyed to slow them down so it looked like the party wasn't handling them correctly.
Evidence that Tom Watson colluded to delay livingstone been thrown out for a year so it reflected badly on Corbyn.
Complaints of antisemitism lodged by members from the left of the party ignored.
Complaints of racism ignored and racist language used in e mails.
These people are now in charge.
There's 800 pages so I've still got shitloads to read. Fairly sure they'll be some court cases arising from it.
Starmer issued a statement yesterday following a key that signed by several Mps from the left of the party demanding an investigation and expulsions.
The wording was very disappointing though. He seemed more concerned with how it leaked rather than the content.
To his credit, Corbyn never signed the letter but a lot of his allies did. At the end a lot of this happened on his watch.
I say a lot of this because some of the report pre dates Corbyn.
The most concerning thing is how many people on the right of the party resisted a plan by Andy Burnham to remove all privatisation from the NHS.
Maybe it's safer under Boris now he's had his epiphany than it would be under Starmer.
Just read what I said ffs.Are you going to disagree with a poster that isn't me FP?
I think missed is a bit generous - turned down, ignored, thought it was beneath them is probably more accurate a description.
I’ll have to read it. I will say I’ve seen the Tom Watson accusations and that’s not what’s actually in the quote I’ve seen. It’s someone saying that’s what they are accused of not that’s what they did. It’s shared as a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Will have a look for the ignoring left wing AS accusations. It’s hard pulling out the serious stuff from the “people were mean in a private chat” stuff that seems to be getting people most excited.
Strong correlation between time of lockdown and death count, same thread shows little relationship between population or population density (the more recent excuse from the right I’ve seen).
Racism is people being mean?
And that's your default position on everything you don't agree with, it's a conspiracy theory.
There is a quote in there from Emillie Oldknow that clearly states Watson instigated delaying Livingstones expulsion.
If it's not true I would expect Watson to instigate legal action. Won't happen.
In his defence (and I haven't got past skimming the first 70 pages, so yet to reach the meaty stuff! I still have work to doRacism is people being mean?
And that's your default position on everything you don't agree with, it's a conspiracy theory.
There is a quote in there from Emillie Oldknow that clearly states Watson instigated delaying Livingstones expulsion.
If it's not true I would expect Watson to instigate legal action. Won't happen.
In his defence (and I haven't got past skimming the first 70 pages, so yet to reach the meaty stuff! I still have work to do) I suspect he means stuff like calling them 'trots' and the like rather than racism.
OK mate.
Decide for yourself, here’s the quote about Watson:
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She calls it a “crazy tale”, it’s not me calling it a conspiracy theory, it’s the person in the quote.
Again, I haven’t read the report. What I’ve seen on Twitter is people getting upset at someone calling someone else a “fat smelly cow” or something, not racism. I will read the report, I was just asking you as someone who had what you thought the worst bits were. Because it’s hard to find in amongst the people up in arms about what I’d term just mean comments.
TBH you’ve gone off the handle a bit here.
OK mate.
Decide for yourself, here’s the quote about Watson:
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She calls it a “crazy tale”, it’s not me calling it a conspiracy theory, it’s the person in the quote.
Again, I haven’t read the report. What I’ve seen on Twitter is people getting upset at someone calling someone else a “fat smelly cow” or something, not racism. I will read the report, I was just asking you as someone who had what you thought the worst bits were. Because it’s hard to find in amongst the people up in arms about what I’d term just mean comments.
TBH you’ve gone off the handle a bit here.
There is an allegation head office secretly diverted money to back up the defensive campaigns of right leaning MPs in the 2017 election, rather than Corbyn's desire for going on the offensive in other seats. That's where I got to and, on the surface, that doesn't look great.Im just being lazy. I’ve seen lots of heat and little light. The one serious accusation I’ve seen backed by a screenshot of the report is the Watson thing which for me doesn’t stack up to how it’s being reported and how CVD describes it. This naturally makes me want to see the source for the other serious accusations. The only other stuff I’ve seen online has been of the level of “trots” and “fat cow” so if there’s evidence of racism I’d like to see it.
As always if you’re not immediately outraged because you’re told to be you must be some nefarious actor.
In his defence (and I haven't got past skimming the first 70 pages, so yet to reach the meaty stuff! I still have work to do) I suspect he means stuff like calling them 'trots' and the like rather than racism.
There is a lot of debate about this particular quote as there appears to be varying versions (whether the other version is a crop or from later on in the report I don’t know)
That said.... from the few bits I’ve read so far - misogyny, intolerance and yes it would appear ‘racism’ (if not a total intolerance of MP’s or staff working from any ethnic background) is endemic.
To be honest - it’s a disgrace from top to bottom. As a fee paying member I did not sign up for my money to be used in this way.... pretty sure tens of thousands of not more few the same.
Apologies, you're right I have misread the quote but There's a plenty of worrying stuff in there.
However, referring directly to a black woman as pubehead is overtly racist and definitely beyond being mean.
I'm going off on one because the report is appalling. Starmer has a huge job on his hands to navigate the party through this.
For balance, in.my opinion, Corbyn doesn't come out well from what I've read. When you're head honcho you have to take responsibility for what happens during your tenure
Dawn Butler was referred to directly as pubehead.
There's also talk of shooting people and burning people.
Ok, that can go down as banter but is that how you should be talking about one lot of colleagues to another lot of colleagues? Especially in tradable communication.
I'll put my next reply in the leadership thread so not to take this thread off on another tangent.
Read what you say?Just read what I said ffs.
The more series cases show the symptoms I mentioned, as clearly shortness of breath is something you'd want to seek medical advice on. Hence why they're the official advice.
I said the assertion that everybody (which suggests that there is no consistency at all in what symptoms people report) shows different symptoms is anecdotal and not clearly proven, especially as most of these people will be untested for COVID.
2099 care home facilities have had an outbreak. One can only guess at the numbercare homes are the biggest issue here, it’s horrible- it literally wipes out the whole place. They’re included in the deaths here (I think).
Im just being lazy. I’ve seen lots of heat and little light. The one serious accusation I’ve seen backed by a screenshot of the report is the Watson thing which for me doesn’t stack up to how it’s being reported and how CVD describes it. This naturally makes me want to see the source for the other serious accusations. The only other stuff I’ve seen online has been of the level of “trots” and “fat cow” so if there’s evidence of racism I’d like to see it.
As always if you’re not immediately outraged because you’re told to be you must be some nefarious actor.
The NHS is badly underfunded. It has led to the deaths of many. So to cheer us up a nobody from the royal family will have an extravagant wedding?Some good news this morning.
Princess Beatrice had to call her wedding off due to COVID19. She’s announced that the rearranged wedding next year will be much bigger, more extravagant and more expensive than originally planned, in order to raise the nation’s spirits and give us something to look forward to while we’re locked down.
Read what you say?
Had enough of reading what you say. You are full of shit. Had enough of reading bullshit from you.
So why didn't you pull NW up? He said he knows someone who had the same symptoms as Boris. It got ignored by all of you with an agenda to character assassinate Boris. The worse thing is he doesn't need any help.
It also undeniably shows how you constantly attack posts from myself for no rea6sin. Just like I have said for years. You follow me around like a bad smell.
And worse of all this isn't a subject ti bullshit about. It has taken the lives of countless thousands of people. But you keep using it for point scoring.
Don't worry. Won't reply to any of your bullshit ever again.
Racism is inexcusable.
But the problem we have is many take the piss. Call a white person a fat cow and it is OK. Call a black person a fat cow and they shout racism. Not only is it wrong but it creates problems trying to stamp out racism. It gives those with a racist agenda ammunition. It is as bad as those who counter racist remarks with saying their opponents or whatever it is are also racists so make out it isn't so bad.
It is a subject that shouldn't be used for point scoring. The sad thing is it is used frequently.
No uproar about her appointment in the media at all.
Little uproar in the media about the leaked Labour report which clearly shows antisemitism was being weaponised.
No uproar about the antisemitic cartoon sanctioned by George Osbourne.
It's almost as if people don't care about it any more. Strange that.
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