Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

I’ve seen no evidence Johnson is smart. His academic performance has generally been poor considering his background and he’s got where he is because he’s charismatic rather than through talent. He’s also failed in pretty much every job he’s had and in politics has always relied on the team around him to do the actual work.

He’s generally shown a poor understanding of technical issues and even on things he’s supposed to be into like history has a habit of not doing the leg work and making basic factual errors.

He went to Oxford and can recite some latin

 

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[Ring Of Steel]

Haha, no, I’d also choose my words a carefully when it comes to Johnson ! I was just saying he’s not stupid

Because we are living this we don't realise how bad he is. He didn't believe in brexit but decided to try and be the face of the 'leave' campaign, shat himself and ran away when they won, bided his time and stuck the knife into everyone to get his ambition of being PM then did exactly the same as the people he screwed over, filled the cabinet with no-marks and inept failures, ran away again again after the election & went on lots of holidays, completely failed the country with his coronavirus response and is now in hiding again- all the while taking the UK to its most divided state in generations with everybody hating each other, eugenics experts calling the shots and people like Hancock, Patel and Raab running the show by lying to the country on a daily basis. I saw this morning we are 'importing' hundreds of Eastern Europeans to work on farms- really taking back control.

He is an utter, unqualified, dangerous disaster and when we look back in 20/30 yrs it will be obvious just how shit and catastrophic the 'Johnson era' was.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It's over 12 mil! Every time someone announces a figure it immediately becomes incorrect a the amount goes up!

I think Tom is part of the spread of coronavirus. His fundraising has gone up exponentially and so has the cases of the disease. Co-incidence?

*this is of course a joke

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

true, but he seemed over the moon when I saw him interviewed two days ago.

Trouble is he's got so many people wanting interviews he won't have time to complete the challenge.

 

[shmmeee]

He went to Oxford and can recite some latin

Sorry but if you’ve got his background and don’t go to Oxford or Cambridge then you’ve probably got some kind of learning difficulty.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Global supply chains are still in the toilet, manufacturing is at an all-time low due to labour shortages, shipping costs are at an all time high due to demand and we're currently in the midst of a capacity crunch, so it's becoming a huge struggle for importers to get anything into the country. If anything it would probably be easier, quicker and cheaper to manufacture them in the UK.

Which is what the government seemingly were doing when they gave contracts to JCB and Dyson for ventilators. Others that have used the procurement system are receiving more than we are.

 

[Astute]

Haha, no, I’d also choose my words a carefully when it comes to Johnson ! I was just saying he’s not stupid

Just acts stupid then?

 

[skybluetony176]

taking it down to "simple" numbers to show how small the margins are and the reasoning behind the concepts of isolation/groupings/distancing

Oh for the leadership of truth.

That’s the issue with our government and specifically our PM, he’s spent so long stoking fears amongst the electorate to cheaply obtain their vote with lies now we need them to be truthful they’re the ones scared to do that. The irony being that Merkel giving it how it is in plain German is actually very calming as it’s the dose of reality needed. We just get more bluster, lies and BS targets we’re never going to meet. I hope people wise up to this.

 

[ajsccfc]

I'd love to think that after the last few years and all this now, we'll be owed a couple of years where the world leaders are competent and boring and not much happens.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

2- heartfelt apology from eu to Italy. Beautiful and necessary they were let down and our leaders can’t apologise for letting old people back in homes to infect and kill their friends

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

It's one of the many things G has taken on from that book of thinking.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The money isn't going directly to the NHS. It is going to the organisation's that work alongside the NHS that are not paid for by our government or the tax we pay but by donations and fund raising.

If anyone wants to make a point how about saying why organisations like Macmillans are not state funded. Because it is a disgrace.

Also never understood why RNLI, mountain rescue and air ambulance aren't state funded.

 

[Astute]

Because we are living this we don't realise how bad he is. He didn't believe in brexit but decided to try and be the face of the 'leave' campaign, shat himself and ran away when they won, bided his time and stuck the knife into everyone to get his ambition of being PM then did exactly the same as the people he screwed over, filled the cabinet with no-marks and inept failures, ran away again again after the election & went on lots of holidays, completely failed the country with his coronavirus response and is now in hiding again- all the while taking the UK to its most divided state in generations with everybody hating each other, eugenics experts calling the shots and people like Hancock, Patel and Raab running the show by lying to the country on a daily basis. I saw this morning we are 'importing' hundreds of Eastern Europeans to work on farms- really taking back control.

He is an utter, unqualified, dangerous disaster and when we look back in 20/30 yrs it will be obvious just how shit and catastrophic the 'Johnson era' was.

An inept government got voted in because an inept opposition didn't have a clue what to do for the best.

The worse thing is if we pull out of the aftermath of the virus and do OK Boris might be seen as some kind of hero.

I just hope Starmer is up to showing Boris for what he is. And that the Labour infighting stops. Get both and we should get a Labour government. Miss one and we won't.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oh for the leadership of truth.

That’s the issue with our government and specifically our PM, he’s spent so long stoking fears amongst the electorate to cheaply obtain their vote with lies now we need them to be truthful they’re the ones scared to do that. The irony being that Merkel giving it how it is in plain German is actually very calming as it’s the dose of reality needed. We just get more bluster, lies and BS targets we’re never going to meet. I hope people wise up to this.

Who'd have thought what the long term impact of allowing concepts like 'spin' to become normalised would have. We've now got a government that prefers media management over actual governance.

 

[skybluetony176]

Haha, no, I’d also choose my words a carefully when it comes to Johnson ! I was just saying he’s not stupid

The man possibly caught Covid 19 by shaking hands with people who have Covid 19 when his own official advice was social distancing and then at the very press conference we were being told not to visit our mothers on mothers day he was talking about hoping to see his mother on Mother’s Day.

He ain’t smart.

 

[Grendel]

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

It's one of the many things G has taken on from that book of thinking.

Yes I’m sure when John McDonnell said sorry for his past terrorist associations he was genuinely remorseful and I’m sure Clegg was really sorry for his blatant lies. Any politician that says sorry isn’t sorry at all The charlatan Macron being a clastic example. Politicians apologise when expedient to do so

 

[Astute]

Trouble is he's got so many people wanting interviews he won't have time to complete the challenge.

Finished it this morning. Had to be done quickly as he is 100 at the end of the month. 12m raised. Slightly beat his target of 1k.

Hope he finally manages to get his 100th birthday party.

 

[Astute]

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

It's one of the many things G has taken on from that book of thinking.

Did Corbyn ever admit fault for the last GE defeat?

 

[skybluetony176]

He went to Oxford and can recite some latin

Met a groovy guy, he was arty farty
Said: "I know a little Latin, a kissen an a kai
Said: "I dunno what it means", I said: "Neither do I"

From a song that makes about as much sense as Boris.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

To be fair to Johnson, for all his faults he’s no idiot. Unfortunately I find he never conveys his points clearly (poor delivery style but that’s just him as an individual I guess)

He's not an idiot but hat doesn't make him 'smart' either.

He knows how to play people, he's good at PR. Actual detail and expertise - not so much.

Unfortunately usually those that are good at that are shit at delivering it so no-one listens.

Take that Merkel video. It's clear and makes the point. But to many it'll be dull and they'll just mentally switch off, while others will say it comes across as a bit condescending.

 

[shmmeee]

I wouldn’t say poor academic performance (I wouldn’t mind having a 2:1 from Oxford) but each to their own. Just wouldn’t class him as stupid personally

A 2:1 in Classics from Oxford when you’ve gone to Eton is basically the lowest expectation. I know lots of stupid people with more impressive Oxford degrees from less prestigious private schools.

 

[shmmeee]

Cameron is close for being as dense TBF, though they were both the same type of person. Though telling Johnson sees him as “a girly swot” which tells you all you need to know about how Johnson rates his own intellect.

Corbyn was on another level. A deeply stupid man.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The man possibly caught Covid 19 by shaking hands with people who have Covid 19 when his own official advice was social distancing and then at the very press conference we were being told not to visit our mothers on mothers day he was talking about hoping to see his mother on Mother’s Day.

He ain’t smart.

I think the main thing behind that is privilege. People like him are used to being able to flout the rules normal people can't because they think they don't apply to them, just the working classes, so he doesn't see it as an error. We've seen a fair few people giving out advice and then flouting it themselves.

 

[Astute]

Take that Merkel video. It's clear and makes the point. But to many it'll be dull and they'll just mentally switch off, while others will say it comes across as a bit condescending.

But just what most Germans see as normal.

They wouldn't have just listened to Boris constantly saying 'get Brexit done'. They would want to know why they should get Brexit done. They would have wanted all the details.

 

[PVA]

An inept government got voted in because an inept opposition didn't have a clue what to do for the best.

The worse thing is if we pull out of the aftermath of the virus and do OK Boris might be seen as some kind of hero.

I just hope Starmer is up to showing Boris for what he is. And that the Labour infighting stops. Get both and we should get a Labour government. Miss one and we won't.

The opposition didn't help, but an inept government was voted in because people wanted Brexit (and less foreigners), that's the long and short of it.

And I can definitely see Boris being labeled as a hero at the end of this, no matter how our figures stand up to other countries. We have seen in this thread how people think the sun shines out of his arse and will even ignore or defend unnecessary deaths in response to any warranted criticism of him.

 

[Grendel]

Cameron is close for being as dense TBF, though they were both the same type of person. Though telling Johnson sees him as “a girly swot” which tells you all you need to know about how Johnson rates his own intellect.

Corbyn was on another level. A deeply stupid man.

For the record I’d say David Cameron was the most pointless Prime Minister in living memory

 

[Astute]

Corbyn was on another level. A deeply stupid man.

Don't think he is as bad as that.

To me his biggest fault is trying to keep everyone happy. Or trying not to upset anyone. So you rarely get the answers that are needed.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Because we are living this we don't realise how bad he is.

Yep. Why I wish I'd always be around so I can see what history makes of it. To be around in a century or two and see the documentaries on our times and what those people think of us (I reckon capable of great ingenuity but also exceptionally stupid as we knew about the stuff we were doing wrong and just carried on as we were and had a massive obsession with money that only exists on paper). Georgians and Victorians considered themselves very smart but we look back and think how stupid some of the things they did and believed in were.

I'd especially love to see what they make of Trump.

 

[chiefdave]

I've ended up in a strange parallel world where Piers Morgan is the voice of reason. Nadine Dorries tweeted that full lockdown would last until a vaccine is found. Morgan picked up on it tweeting "Health minister says UK will be in ‘full lockdown’ until there is COVID-19 vaccine - which experts say will be at least 18 months. Astonishing break from other Govt statements". She's now outright denying she said it.

 

[Astute]

The opposition didn't help, but an inept government was voted in because people wanted Brexit (and less foreigners), that's the long and short of it.

And I can definitely see Boris being labeled as a hero at the end of this, no matter how our figures stand up to other countries. We have seen in this thread how people think the sun shines out of his arse and will even ignore or defend unnecessary deaths in response to any warranted criticism of him.

It can only go one way.

Was the referendum a close result?

People changed their minds after the result. But it was the way some ranted about the result. And it is MP's I am talking about. Saying out loud they wanted to ignore the electorate.

Then you had the delay from Labour on what they would do. Votes were lost. Then by the time Labour came out with their strategy the voting public just wanted it over whatever. Played into the hands of Boris.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

But just what most Germans see as normal.

They wouldn't have just listened to Boris constantly saying 'get Brexit done'. They would want to know why they should get Brexit done. They would have wanted all the details.

A bit generalistic but on the whole yes Germans probably would want a better explanation than over here. Could be a hangover from having the Nazi's voted in - get the details rather than soundbites and getting caught up in the personality and propaganda.

But that's not to say Germany doesn't have those that will just blindly follow a rhetoric that suits their own beliefs.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

It's one of the many things G has taken on from that book of thinking.

Thats very well put. What they don't realise is that it makes them look foolish and dishonest.

I've ended up in a strange parallel world where Piers Morgan is the voice of reason. Nadine Dorries tweeted that full lockdown would last until a vaccine is found. Morgan picked up on it tweeting "Health minister says UK will be in ‘full lockdown’ until there is COVID-19 vaccine - which experts say will be at least 18 months. Astonishing break from other Govt statements". She's now outright denying she said it.

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Ah yes, she's the one that when Boris came out of ICU she tweeted "the country can breathe again", on the day when we passed 10,000 people who had stopped breathing permanently. Great way with words that one.

Taking the PM out of the question for a moment- educate me here. Is this the worst collection of ministers ('cabinet' I guess) of all time? Who could possibly have been worse than Hancock, Patel, Raab etc? They just seem to be be astoundingly unfit to be running the country. The one thing they all seem to lack is any kind of empathy- when you have a situation where Piers bloody Morgan is easily dissecting them every day on national TV you surely know you have a major problem with your competence levels? I have very limited knowledge here but I would guess that the opposition at the last election was up there with the most ineffective as well- maybe Howard, Hague & IDS would push them though- I don't know. This country seems completely unable to find 'leadership'.

 

[Astute]

I've ended up in a strange parallel world where Piers Morgan is the voice of reason. Nadine Dorries tweeted that full lockdown would last until a vaccine is found. Morgan picked up on it tweeting "Health minister says UK will be in ‘full lockdown’ until there is COVID-19 vaccine - which experts say will be at least 18 months. Astonishing break from other Govt statements". She's now outright denying she said it.

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I put Piers Morgan on the same level as Katie Hopkins. They chat shite most of the time as they make a living by being controversial. But sometimes they are spot on as they say what most people are too scared to say.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Did Corbyn ever admit fault for the last GE defeat?

It's not solely the right that do it. Usually anyone in power will at some point have followed that method regardless of political leaning. But on the whole right wing tend to be hold more powerful positions. I reckon this failure to admit mistakes is a large part of it.

 

[BodicoteSkyBlue]

Because we are living this we don't realise how bad he is. He didn't believe in brexit but decided to try and be the face of the 'leave' campaign, shat himself and ran away when they won, bided his time and stuck the knife into everyone to get his ambition of being PM then did exactly the same as the people he screwed over, filled the cabinet with no-marks and inept failures, ran away again again after the election & went on lots of holidays, completely failed the country with his coronavirus response and is now in hiding again- all the while taking the UK to its most divided state in generations with everybody hating each other, eugenics experts calling the shots and people like Hancock, Patel and Raab running the show by lying to the country on a daily basis. I saw this morning we are 'importing' hundreds of Eastern Europeans to work on farms- really taking back control.

He is an utter, unqualified, dangerous disaster and when we look back in 20/30 yrs it will be obvious just how shit and catastrophic the 'Johnson era' was.

Top quality assessment!!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I put Piers Morgan on the same level as Katie Hopkins. They chat shite most of the time as they make a living by being controversial. But sometimes they are spot on as they say what most people are too scared to say.

I think you are on dangerous ground there, Hopkins is way, way worse. As we speak she is still posting anti-muslim/pakistani rhetoric, is saying that the 'clap' is being hijacked by BAME people and is calling for an end to lockdown and its all over-hyped. She's in a different league to Morgan.