Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (348 Viewers)

[Astute]

This crisis I’ve started respecting Piers Morgan and wishing we had Christian Democrat Merkel in charge as a left wing atheist.

It’s all a little disturbing.

Don't you like Atheists?

 

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[shmmeee]

Don't you like Atheists?

Im the left wing atheist.

Merkel is a right wing Christian.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Three things today

1-USA now exporting infected Guatemalans so that the poorer country can suffer. Great well done trump
2- heartfelt apology from eu to Italy. Beautiful and necessary they were let down and our leaders can’t apologise for letting old people back in homes to infect and kill their friends.
3- video of Angela merkel talking science about infection rates and health care

Some excellent Leadership out there and still some very poor

She’s a bright lady, Merkel. Think she’s got some kind of degree/doctorate in science. One of the few world leaders who commands respect

ps whilst I’m sure the apology was genuine/heartfelt, the EU had no choice Pete. The immediate reaction of the individual nations was not what you would expect. It will be interesting to see how it’s received

 

[Astute]

Im the left wing atheist.

Merkel is a right wing Christian.

Ah. Thought it was worded to say she is left wing atheist

At least we have our religious beliefs in common

 

[shmmeee]

taking it down to "simple" numbers to show how small the margins are and the reasoning behind the concepts of isolation/groupings/distancing

I do think this is what you get when you elect someone intelligent who is clearly across the detail.

We must’ve had the two stupidest candidates for PM in history to choose from last election. I hope it never happens again.

 

[CCFCSteve]

taking it down to "simple" numbers to show how small the margins are and the reasoning behind the concepts of isolation/groupings/distancing

Very interesting video and clearly explained by Merkel

 

[Astute]

She’s a bright lady, Merkel. Think she’s got some kind of degree/doctorate in science. One of the few world leaders who commands respect

ps whilst I’m sure the apology was genuine/heartfelt, the EU had no choice Pete. The immediate reaction of the individual nations was not what you would expect. It will be interesting to see how it’s received

The apology was for not sending PPE to Italy that had been ordered but kept for their own people. But Germany and France doing such a thing hasn't hit the news that much. Shows how hard it has been to purchase such items.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I do think this is what you get when you elect someone intelligent who is clearly across the detail.

We must’ve had the two stupidest candidates for PM in history to choose from last election. I hope it never happens again.

To be fair to Johnson, for all his faults he’s no idiot. Unfortunately I find he never conveys his points clearly (poor delivery style but that’s just him as an individual I guess)

 

[Astute]

I do think this is what you get when you elect someone intelligent who is clearly across the detail.

We must’ve had the two stupidest candidates for PM in history to choose from last election. I hope it never happens again.

Two leaders of parties not fit to run the UK but an electorate that also tried to make out they were noth the man for the job.

 

[Astute]

To be fair to Johnson, for all his faults he’s no idiot. Unfortunately I find he never conveys his points clearly (poor delivery style but that’s just him as an individual I guess)

The bloke is a fool.

It is only the situation we found ourselves in that gave him the chance of becoming PM.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The bloke is a fool.

It is only the situation we found ourselves in that gave him the chance of becoming PM.

don’t disagree with the second comment

 

[Deleted member 5849]

To be fair to Johnson, for all his faults he’s no idiot.

Depends in what circumstances. He's obviously good at positioning himself, and his brand.

Not so sure you can call him wise and thoughtful, however!

 

[shmmeee]

I’ve seen no evidence Johnson is smart. His academic performance has generally been poor considering his background and he’s got where he is because he’s charismatic rather than through talent. He’s also failed in pretty much every job he’s had and in politics has always relied on the team around him to do the actual work.

He’s generally shown a poor understanding of technical issues and even on things he’s supposed to be into like history has a habit of not doing the leg work and making basic factual errors.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Depends in what circumstances. He's obviously good at positioning himself, and his brand.

Not so sure you can call him wise and thoughtful, however!

Haha, no, I’d also choose my words a carefully when it comes to Johnson ! I was just saying he’s not stupid

 

[CCFCSteve]

I’ve seen no evidence Johnson is smart. His academic performance has generally been poor considering his background and he’s got where he is because he’s charismatic rather than through talent.

He’s generally shown a poor understanding of technical issues and even on things he’s supposed to be into like history has a habit of not doing the leg work and making basic factual errors.

I wouldn’t say poor academic performance (I wouldn’t mind having a 2:1 from Oxford) but each to their own. Just wouldn’t class him as stupid personally

 

[fernandopartridge]

I’ve seen no evidence Johnson is smart. His academic performance has generally been poor considering his background and he’s got where he is because he’s charismatic rather than through talent. He’s also failed in pretty much every job he’s had and in politics has always relied on the team around him to do the actual work.

He’s generally shown a poor understanding of technical issues and even on things he’s supposed to be into like history has a habit of not doing the leg work and making basic factual errors.

He went to Oxford and can recite some latin

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Haha, no, I’d also choose my words a carefully when it comes to Johnson ! I was just saying he’s not stupid

Because we are living this we don't realise how bad he is. He didn't believe in brexit but decided to try and be the face of the 'leave' campaign, shat himself and ran away when they won, bided his time and stuck the knife into everyone to get his ambition of being PM then did exactly the same as the people he screwed over, filled the cabinet with no-marks and inept failures, ran away again again after the election & went on lots of holidays, completely failed the country with his coronavirus response and is now in hiding again- all the while taking the UK to its most divided state in generations with everybody hating each other, eugenics experts calling the shots and people like Hancock, Patel and Raab running the show by lying to the country on a daily basis. I saw this morning we are 'importing' hundreds of Eastern Europeans to work on farms- really taking back control.

He is an utter, unqualified, dangerous disaster and when we look back in 20/30 yrs it will be obvious just how shit and catastrophic the 'Johnson era' was.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It's over 12 mil! Every time someone announces a figure it immediately becomes incorrect a the amount goes up!

I think Tom is part of the spread of coronavirus. His fundraising has gone up exponentially and so has the cases of the disease. Co-incidence?

*this is of course a joke

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

true, but he seemed over the moon when I saw him interviewed two days ago.

Trouble is he's got so many people wanting interviews he won't have time to complete the challenge.

 

[shmmeee]

He went to Oxford and can recite some latin

Sorry but if you’ve got his background and don’t go to Oxford or Cambridge then you’ve probably got some kind of learning difficulty.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Global supply chains are still in the toilet, manufacturing is at an all-time low due to labour shortages, shipping costs are at an all time high due to demand and we're currently in the midst of a capacity crunch, so it's becoming a huge struggle for importers to get anything into the country. If anything it would probably be easier, quicker and cheaper to manufacture them in the UK.

Which is what the government seemingly were doing when they gave contracts to JCB and Dyson for ventilators. Others that have used the procurement system are receiving more than we are.

 

[Astute]

Haha, no, I’d also choose my words a carefully when it comes to Johnson ! I was just saying he’s not stupid

Just acts stupid then?

 

[skybluetony176]

taking it down to "simple" numbers to show how small the margins are and the reasoning behind the concepts of isolation/groupings/distancing

Oh for the leadership of truth.

That’s the issue with our government and specifically our PM, he’s spent so long stoking fears amongst the electorate to cheaply obtain their vote with lies now we need them to be truthful they’re the ones scared to do that. The irony being that Merkel giving it how it is in plain German is actually very calming as it’s the dose of reality needed. We just get more bluster, lies and BS targets we’re never going to meet. I hope people wise up to this.

 

[ajsccfc]

I'd love to think that after the last few years and all this now, we'll be owed a couple of years where the world leaders are competent and boring and not much happens.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

2- heartfelt apology from eu to Italy. Beautiful and necessary they were let down and our leaders can’t apologise for letting old people back in homes to infect and kill their friends

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

It's one of the many things G has taken on from that book of thinking.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The money isn't going directly to the NHS. It is going to the organisation's that work alongside the NHS that are not paid for by our government or the tax we pay but by donations and fund raising.

If anyone wants to make a point how about saying why organisations like Macmillans are not state funded. Because it is a disgrace.

Also never understood why RNLI, mountain rescue and air ambulance aren't state funded.

 

[Astute]

Because we are living this we don't realise how bad he is. He didn't believe in brexit but decided to try and be the face of the 'leave' campaign, shat himself and ran away when they won, bided his time and stuck the knife into everyone to get his ambition of being PM then did exactly the same as the people he screwed over, filled the cabinet with no-marks and inept failures, ran away again again after the election & went on lots of holidays, completely failed the country with his coronavirus response and is now in hiding again- all the while taking the UK to its most divided state in generations with everybody hating each other, eugenics experts calling the shots and people like Hancock, Patel and Raab running the show by lying to the country on a daily basis. I saw this morning we are 'importing' hundreds of Eastern Europeans to work on farms- really taking back control.

He is an utter, unqualified, dangerous disaster and when we look back in 20/30 yrs it will be obvious just how shit and catastrophic the 'Johnson era' was.

An inept government got voted in because an inept opposition didn't have a clue what to do for the best.

The worse thing is if we pull out of the aftermath of the virus and do OK Boris might be seen as some kind of hero.

I just hope Starmer is up to showing Boris for what he is. And that the Labour infighting stops. Get both and we should get a Labour government. Miss one and we won't.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oh for the leadership of truth.

That’s the issue with our government and specifically our PM, he’s spent so long stoking fears amongst the electorate to cheaply obtain their vote with lies now we need them to be truthful they’re the ones scared to do that. The irony being that Merkel giving it how it is in plain German is actually very calming as it’s the dose of reality needed. We just get more bluster, lies and BS targets we’re never going to meet. I hope people wise up to this.

Who'd have thought what the long term impact of allowing concepts like 'spin' to become normalised would have. We've now got a government that prefers media management over actual governance.

 

[skybluetony176]

Haha, no, I’d also choose my words a carefully when it comes to Johnson ! I was just saying he’s not stupid

The man possibly caught Covid 19 by shaking hands with people who have Covid 19 when his own official advice was social distancing and then at the very press conference we were being told not to visit our mothers on mothers day he was talking about hoping to see his mother on Mother’s Day.

He ain’t smart.

 

[Grendel]

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

It's one of the many things G has taken on from that book of thinking.

Yes I’m sure when John McDonnell said sorry for his past terrorist associations he was genuinely remorseful and I’m sure Clegg was really sorry for his blatant lies. Any politician that says sorry isn’t sorry at all The charlatan Macron being a clastic example. Politicians apologise when expedient to do so

 

[Astute]

Trouble is he's got so many people wanting interviews he won't have time to complete the challenge.

Finished it this morning. Had to be done quickly as he is 100 at the end of the month. 12m raised. Slightly beat his target of 1k.

Hope he finally manages to get his 100th birthday party.

 

[Astute]

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

It's one of the many things G has taken on from that book of thinking.

Did Corbyn ever admit fault for the last GE defeat?

 

[skybluetony176]

He went to Oxford and can recite some latin

Met a groovy guy, he was arty farty
Said: "I know a little Latin, a kissen an a kai
Said: "I dunno what it means", I said: "Neither do I"

From a song that makes about as much sense as Boris.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

To be fair to Johnson, for all his faults he’s no idiot. Unfortunately I find he never conveys his points clearly (poor delivery style but that’s just him as an individual I guess)

He's not an idiot but hat doesn't make him 'smart' either.

He knows how to play people, he's good at PR. Actual detail and expertise - not so much.

Unfortunately usually those that are good at that are shit at delivering it so no-one listens.

Take that Merkel video. It's clear and makes the point. But to many it'll be dull and they'll just mentally switch off, while others will say it comes across as a bit condescending.

 

[shmmeee]

I wouldn’t say poor academic performance (I wouldn’t mind having a 2:1 from Oxford) but each to their own. Just wouldn’t class him as stupid personally

A 2:1 in Classics from Oxford when you’ve gone to Eton is basically the lowest expectation. I know lots of stupid people with more impressive Oxford degrees from less prestigious private schools.