Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (134 Viewers)

singers_pore · Apr 16, 2020

Almost every government and MSM outlet has fucked up since this started back in January. It crosses the political spectrum from the right (Trump, Boris) to the left (the socialist's wet dream of Sweden).

Personally, when all this is done and dusted, I hope the people who fucked up are held to account. Time to dust off those guillotines.

Gazolba · Apr 16, 2020

World Health Organisation::

Sick Boy · Apr 16, 2020

Gazolba said:
World Health Organisation::

Haha wow never realised just how bad Fox was, no doubt many will actually fall for the propaganda and start to focus away from Trump.
No one else is to blame apart from him for what’s going on in America, the guy is clearly unhinged and has majorly fucked up.

Wyken Sky Blue · Apr 16, 2020

What a man!
Capt Tom Moore's joy as his NHS fundraiser tops £11m JANE FRYER meets Tom Moore, the war veteran who has raised £11million (and counting!) for the NHS | Daily Mail Online

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clint van damme · Apr 16, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Haha wow never realised just how bad Fox was, no doubt many will actually fall for the propaganda and start to focus away from Trump.
No one else is to blame apart from him for what’s going on in America, the guy is clearly unhinged and has majorly fucked up.

"look at the facts and rise above partisan bickering" HAHA!!

clint van damme · Apr 16, 2020

skyblue1991 said:
What a man!
Capt Tom Moore's joy as his NHS fundraiser tops £11m JANE FRYER meets Tom Moore, the war veteran who has raised £11million (and counting!) for the NHS | Daily Mail Online

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It's over 12 mil! Every time someone announces a figure it immediately becomes incorrect a the amount goes up!

skybluetony176 · Apr 16, 2020

chiefdave said:
The more that comes out the worse it gets. Is there actually anything the government haven't messed up in handling this crisis?

PR. Seemingly large sections of society are convinced that Boris is some sort of Tory Jesus and therefore the government are beyond reproach. That’s good PR for you.

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 16, 2020

clint van damme said:
It's over 12 mil! Every time someone announces a figure it immediately becomes incorrect a the amount goes up!

I don't know what to make of it. Fair play to him, and all, but *we* should be looking after *him*.

clint van damme · Apr 16, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
I don't know what to make of it. Fair play to him, and all, but *we* should be looking after *him*.

true, but he seemed over the moon when I saw him interviewed two days ago.

David O'Day · Apr 16, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Haha wow never realised just how bad Fox was, no doubt many will actually fall for the propaganda and start to focus away from Trump.
No one else is to blame apart from him for what’s going on in America, the guy is clearly unhinged and has majorly fucked up.

Sad thing is Gazolba probably agrees with that nonsense

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David O'Day · Apr 16, 2020

clint van damme said:
It's over 12 mil! Every time someone announces a figure it immediately becomes incorrect a the amount goes up!

Brilliant but sad that we don't live in a country were the health services financial settlement pays for even it's day to day operations

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Liquid Gold · Apr 16, 2020

Gazolba said:
World Health Organisation::

Fox News rots your brain.

fernandopartridge · Apr 16, 2020

chiefdave said:
The more that comes out the worse it gets. Is there actually anything the government haven't messed up in handling this crisis?

Social care virus response sparks 'confusion'

Brits criticise 'shambolic' return from India

When people cheer lead austerity and getting rid of civil servants etc, this sort of thing is the result. Contrary to what the Daily Mail says, there weren't millions of people employed as 'Diversity Advisors' or 'Health and Safety Advisors', they were people performing roles that provided a public service function, which the post 2010 government decided didn't matter.

skybluetony176 · Apr 16, 2020

Gazolba said:
World Health Organisation::

Stop watching Fox News because Fox News contrives to frighten you.

Liquid Gold · Apr 16, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
I don't know what to make of it. Fair play to him, and all, but *we* should be looking after *him*.

Every time I see it it makes me uncomfortable. Like you say, fair play to the guy but he’s paid taxes hi while life. We all pay taxes now. That’s what should be funding the NHS not some mad go fund me.

PVA · Apr 16, 2020

It's alright lads, Hancock has cracked it!

It's not PPE or tests that social care workers need.

It's a new badge.

CCFCSteve · Apr 16, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
Every time I see it it makes me uncomfortable. Like you say, fair play to the guy but he’s paid taxes hi while life. We all pay taxes now. That’s what should be funding the NHS not some mad go fund me.

I think we just take it for what it is, a lovely old guy wanting to do his bit. Legend !

ps the NHS has currently got a blank cheque from the government at the moment. My charity preference at the moment would probably be for the homeless as guessing with lack of footfall around city centres the homeless will be struggling more than ever

CCFCSteve · Apr 16, 2020

PVA said:
It's alright lads, Hancock has cracked it!

It's not PPE or tests that social care workers need.

It's a new badge.

I have to say that was the most cringeworthy announcement of this whole nightmare. The guy just lacks a sense of general/self awareness.

skybluetony176 · Apr 16, 2020

PVA said:
It's alright lads, Hancock has cracked it!

It's not PPE or tests that social care workers need.

It's a new badge.

Phew. I’ll sleep easy tonight.

skybluetony176 · Apr 16, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
I have to say that was the most cringeworthy announcement of this whole nightmare. The guy just lacks a sense of general/self awareness.

You can’t get in the cabinet without it.

shmmeee · Apr 16, 2020

I see the world bank are cancelling debt to the most debt ridden countries to enable them to spend on fighting coronavirus. Nice move, though this, like the NHS debt, makes me wonder why it couldn’t have been done anyway. Most of these countries are fighting poverty full time anyway.

CCFCSteve said:
I have to say that was the most cringeworthy announcement of this whole nightmare. The guy just lacks a sense of general/self awareness.

It’s a nice idea in isolation TBF, but on top of pay and/or PPE announcements not instead of surely?

SkyBlueCRJ · Apr 16, 2020

shmmeee said:
I may be being stupid here, but we live in a world of global trade, couldn’t we just buy them in? IIRC Germany were doing tests for Italy at one point.

Looking at the country by country rates were below places like Equador and Turkey, do these places have large in vitro diagnostics industries?

Don’t mean this to come across as accusatory, all genuine questions sorry.

Global supply chains are still in the toilet, manufacturing is at an all-time low due to labour shortages, shipping costs are at an all time high due to demand and we're currently in the midst of a capacity crunch, so it's becoming a huge struggle for importers to get anything into the country. If anything it would probably be easier, quicker and cheaper to manufacture them in the UK.

CCFCSteve · Apr 16, 2020

shmmeee said:
I see the world bank are cancelling debt to the most debt ridden countries to enable them to spend on fighting coronavirus. Nice move, though this, like the NHS debt, makes me wonder why it couldn’t have been done anyway. Most of these countries are fighting poverty full time anyway.

It’s a nice idea in isolation TBF, but on top of pay and/or PPE announcements not instead of surely?

I really hope a majority of our international aid budget is focussed on helping developing nations through this crisis !

jimmyhillsfanclub · Apr 16, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s happening in France and is that us in 2 weeks?

I was speaking to my mate last night who lives there. Whilst their "lockdown" is stricter in theory, he tells me that many people & small businesses have been flouting it, and he, himself has been bending the rules with regards the print-out permission slips and has never been stopped or questioned by the local gendarmes, who, in his words, "sit idly by, continuing their normal practice of leching at women & harrasing the immigrants"

Liquid Gold · Apr 16, 2020

Gazolba said:
World Health Organisation::

What borders on stupidity?

Mexico and Canada.

Ian1779 · Apr 16, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
PR. Seemingly large sections of society are convinced that Boris is some sort of Tory Jesus and therefore the government are beyond reproach. That’s good PR for you.

‘Rising’ from hospital on Easter might have helped...

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Apr 16, 2020

SkyBlueCRJ said:
Global supply chains are still in the toilet, manufacturing is at an all-time low due to labour shortages, shipping costs are at an all time high due to demand and we're currently in the midst of a capacity crunch, so it's becoming a huge struggle for importers to get anything into the country. If anything it would probably be easier, quicker and cheaper to manufacture them in the UK.

Sadly we are country that doesn't manufacture at same levels we used to. It was a sector that nationally we have not valued for many decades. Design and manufacturing needs to be part of national vision for rebuilding after this mess. The cabinet think small badges are a solution to health catastrophe...... very little hope from this PR obsessed bunch.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 16, 2020

Three things today

1-USA now exporting infected Guatemalans so that the poorer country can suffer. Great well done trump
2- heartfelt apology from eu to Italy. Beautiful and necessary they were let down and our leaders can’t apologise for letting old people back in homes to infect and kill their friends.
3- video of Angela merkel talking science about infection rates and health care

Some excellent Leadership out there and still some very poor

Astute · Apr 16, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
Every time I see it it makes me uncomfortable. Like you say, fair play to the guy but he’s paid taxes hi while life. We all pay taxes now. That’s what should be funding the NHS not some mad go fund me.

The money isn't going directly to the NHS. It is going to the organisation's that work alongside the NHS that are not paid for by our government or the tax we pay but by donations and fund raising.

If anyone wants to make a point how about saying why organisations like Macmillans are not state funded. Because it is a disgrace.

Astute · Apr 16, 2020

shmmeee said:
I see the world bank are cancelling debt to the most debt ridden countries to enable them to spend on fighting coronavirus. Nice move, though this, like the NHS debt, makes me wonder why it couldn’t have been done anyway. Most of these countries are fighting poverty full time anyway.

It’s a nice idea in isolation TBF, but on top of pay and/or PPE announcements not instead of surely?

Is this a new announcement? Can't find it anywhere. But a couple of days ago it was announced that payments didn't need to be made during the period of the virus being with us.

I hope so because payments being suspended and debts being written off are nowhere near the same. The richer nations taking a single hit would be a massive life saver for untold millions.

MalcSB · Apr 16, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
I think we just take it for what it is, a lovely old guy wanting to do his bit. Legend !

ps the NHS has currently got a blank cheque from the government at the moment. My charity preference at the moment would probably be for the homeless as guessing with lack of footfall around city centres the homeless will be struggling more than ever

I think it’s £6,5 billion. No doubt the forensic accountants will be all over the expenditure at some point.

shmmeee · Apr 16, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Three things today

1-USA now exporting infected Guatemalans so that the poorer country can suffer. Great well done trump
2- heartfelt apology from eu to Italy. Beautiful and necessary they were let down and our leaders can’t apologise for letting old people back in homes to infect and kill their friends.
3- video of Angela merkel talking science about infection rates and health care

Some excellent Leadership out there and still some very poor

This crisis I’ve started respecting Piers Morgan and wishing we had Christian Democrat Merkel in charge as a left wing atheist.

It’s all a little disturbing.

Astute · Apr 16, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I was speaking to my mate last night who lives there. Whilst their "lockdown" is stricter in theory, he tells me that many people & small businesses have been flouting it, and he, himself has been bending the rules with regards the print-out permission slips and has never been stopped or questioned by the local gendarmes, who, in his words, "sit idly by, continuing their normal practice of leching at women & harrasing the immigrants"

My wife has seen lots of people pulled over. Even had someone pulled over outside our house and they were given a fine.

'Coronavirus is not on holiday': France warns citizens against Easter travel

At the start of this month 5.8m people had been stopped and over 360,000 fines given out.

shmmeee · Apr 16, 2020

On the blank cheque thing I wouldn’t be so sure. I was watching some stuff with local council leaders the other day who were saying they’d been told at the start “spend what you need and we’ll sort it” but in recent meetings with the government they were trying to row back from that.

Like everything else best to wait and see what actually happens once all this is over. I’m still expecting massive cuts to services and public sector pay freezes to “pay back the debt”. Tories gonna Tory.

tisza · Apr 16, 2020

taking it down to "simple" numbers to show how small the margins are and the reasoning behind the concepts of isolation/groupings/distancing

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