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Skybluefaz

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not surprising when the population has increased by over 8 million people since turn of the century. first time buyers priced out by private landlords so people revert to rent. why is that? country overpopulated too many people being allowed into the country. This puts a burden on nhs, schools, transport and housing. not difficult to work out
The notion that immigrants are putting a burden on the NHS at this time is fucking disgusting lad. For one, it's proven bollocks. Two, immigrant doctors and nurses are dying to help the people of this country during the coronavirus pandemic. Shame on you.
 

Astute

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Too many people yet we've had to fly a load of fruit and veg pickers in from Romania this week.
Something's not right.
Correct. About 25,000 people in the UK applied to work on farms. Less than 200 got a job so far.

A company chartered a flight to bring these workers in. Are you saying there isn't 150 people in the UK that can do the job?
 

skybluetony176

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not surprising when the population has increased by over 8 million people since turn of the century. first time buyers priced out by private landlords so people revert to rent. why is that? country overpopulated too many people being allowed into the country. This puts a burden on nhs, schools, transport and housing. not difficult to work out
Zzzzzz. Yes it’s all on the nasty foreigners and not the failure of governments to increase the housing stock. Heavens forbid we should hold those accountable for the failings.
 

wingy

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Correct. About 25,000 people in the UK applied to work on farms. Less than 200 got a job so far.

A company chartered a flight to bring these workers in. Are you saying there isn't 150 people in the UK that can do the job?
I'd love to do this but I know I wouldn't last a week.these days
 

CCFCSteve

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I agree- one of the things I try to teach my kids is that you do not need to live the life you’re told to in order to be content and secure, and work like an idiot just to conform. I have high hopes for the next generations, from what I can tell they ridicule some of the older lot even more than we did when we were their age.

Spot on. I think the younger generations appear to be less focussed on material things (bit of a sweeping generalisation but get that impression). That’s not to say if buying a new car or new house makes someone happy, they shouldn’t go for it.

It’s times like these though that you appreciate some of the more simple things in life (I don’t think I’ve ever strolled around the park opposite after dinner until this)

Little things eh, but ultimately each to their own as long as they’re not harming anyone else
 

skybluetony176

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Correct. About 25,000 people in the UK applied to work on farms. Less than 200 got a job so far.

A company chartered a flight to bring these workers in. Are you saying there isn't 150 people in the UK that can do the job?
There’s probably thousands of people in the UK who “could” do the work as you 25000 applied. 200 got a job so far the question is why. You can’t look at the two numbers alone. How many were offered a job and how many turned it down. Working the land is neither an easy job or well paid and never has been. Your average British Joe simply just doesn’t want to do that work when there’s other jobs out there that are easier to do and better paid.
 

The coventrian

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Too many people yet we've had to fly a load of fruit and veg pickers in from Romania this week.
Something's not right.
No what the government should of done was select 150 or however many needed of the long term dole dossing scroungers we have here and make them earn some of their universal credit.
 

Astute

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I'd love to do this but I know I wouldn't last a week.these days
Certainly not easy work. Another job that should have higher pay.

I remember doing it instead of going to school. It was when I saw a 20p piece for the first time. Not as easy as it sounds.
 

Astute

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There’s probably thousands of people in the UK who could do the work as you 25000 applied. 200 got a job so far the question is why. You can’t look at the two numbers alone. How many were offered a job and how many turned it down. Working the land is neither an easy job or well paid and never has been. Your average British Joe simply just doesn’t want to do that work when there’s other jobs out there that are easier to do and better paid.
This is 25,000 that wanted the jobs. The company that flew 150 people in from Romania prefer experienced fruit pickers to those they would have to train. They stated the fact themselves.

But of course we shall just call everyone in the UK bone idle to state a false fact.
 

The coventrian

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The notion that immigrants are putting a burden on the NHS at this time is fucking disgusting lad. For one, it's proven bollocks. Two, immigrant doctors and nurses are dying to help the people of this country during the coronavirus pandemic. Shame on you.
He's not questioning the people who work for the nhs ffs. Selected immigration is a good thing for this country ie getting the best foreign doctors and nurses to come and work here. He's on about the rest that we dont need putting unnecessary pressure on the nhs/schools/housing etc. But you know this already dont you. It's not unbelievable for me to say whenever I walk into the walk in centre for example I can hardly here an English accent. Why is that? Before you start resorting to the usual nazi rhetoric why is that? Are they always ill? After all they only make up a small percentage of the population.
 

CCFCSteve

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A taste of life after Brexit in a small nutshell. It’s either import the workers or import the produce and let the farms rot.

Crazy that we can’t get UK workers to do this though. Ultimately I’d imagine pay will have to increase to attract more people to manual agri jobs (may lead to increases in prices but so be it, it’s what should be happening)

Also, what are the kids doing for cash these days ? I used to pick up litter around the local golf course for a few quid when I was younger
 

The coventrian

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Certainly not easy work. Another job that should have higher pay.

I remember doing it instead of going to school. It was when I saw a 20p piece for the first time. Not as easy as it sounds.
I did it when I left school when I was 16. My citb course didn't start until the September and I was desperate to earn some cash. It was on some farm over balsall common. I pleaded with them on the phone to take me on but they didn't want to as I wasn't 18. I said I didn't want to be paid as much as an adult then they agreed. Absolutely back breaking work. Long hours as well. I remember eating my sandwiches next to the potato harvester with muddy fingers. Glad I did it though. A lot of the kids these days wouldn't even entertain such a job.
 

The coventrian

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Crazy that we can’t get UK workers to do this though. Ultimately I’d imagine pay will have to increase to attract more people to manual agri jobs (may lead to increases in prices but so be it, it’s what should be happening)

Also, what are the kids doing for cash these days ? I used to pick up litter around the local golf course for a few quid when I was younger
Like I said earlier some people should be forced ie the ones who take the piss with benefits. Problem is though the likes of tony will moan about their rights whilst at the same time moaning about having to import foreign workers.
 

skybluetony176

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This is 25,000 that wanted the jobs. The company that flew 150 people in from Romania prefer experienced fruit pickers to those they would have to train. They stated the fact themselves.

But of course we shall just call everyone in the UK bone idle to state a false fact.
You and your comprehension. For starters where did I accuse anyone of being lazy? It’s a free country, people are free to choose their employment and personally working the land would be far from my first choice not because I’m lazy but simply because I have better options in terms of pay and conditions. You do understand the difference between applied, offered and accepted? You’re original post could be taken as 25000 applied but only 250 were offered a job. That almost certainly won’t be the case and by the way the NFU are still optimistic that British workers will take the jobs. Working on a farm is one of the jobs that you’re allowed to take to top up your wages while furloughed so it’s possible, however if you live in the centre of London you probably won’t be looking to take a job in Norfolk pulling up carrots for £400 a week. There’s a big question over willingness, that’s willingness not laziness and that is anyone’s free choice to make.
 

clint van damme

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He's not questioning the people who work for the nhs ffs. Selected immigration is a good thing for this country ie getting the best foreign doctors and nurses to come and work here. He's on about the rest that we dont need putting unnecessary pressure on the nhs/schools/housing etc. But you know this already dont you. It's not unbelievable for me to say whenever I walk into the walk in centre for example I can hardly here an English accent. Why is that? Before you start resorting to the usual nazi rhetoric why is that? Are they always ill? After all they only make up a small percentage of the population.

Most of the immigrants working for the NHS wouldn't be allowed in under Priti vacants new points system.
 

clint van damme

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Correct. About 25,000 people in the UK applied to work on farms. Less than 200 got a job so far.

A company chartered a flight to bring these workers in. Are you saying there isn't 150 people in the UK that can do the job?

Why do you always great stuff into posts that isn't there?
 

tisza

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Too many people yet we've had to fly a load of fruit and veg pickers in from Romania this week.
Something's not right.
Germany flying in 80000 Romanians and Poles to pick strawberries and asparagus atm. Austria desperately trying to find East European Labour as well.
Spain will continue using illegal immigrant labour.
UK been bringing in European labour for over 30 years. Used to be mainly students on short term visas.
Problem with a lot of commercial-scale operations is pickers living on the farms in dormitory accommodation - not conducive to social distancing etc.
 

shmmeee

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But aren’t most of the Labour Party too,Minted 2/3 homes as well eg Corbyn,McDonnell,Lady Nugee,Starmer they’ve all got several homes.
Tory/Labour they’re all in it together!!

Every MP has several homes. There’s far more millionaires in the Tory party mate. By an order of magnitude. Your argument seems to be “Labour are a little shit so I may as well vote for total shit”.

Like I say, I think it’s mostly down to immigration and everything else is an excuse because you don’t want to admit it. There’s literally nothing else the Tories offer so I can’t see what else it could be. Even Brexit is about that if you’re honest with yourself.

Just seems a bit weird to be so upset brown people exist you’ll destroy your own chances of a decent paying job and good public services.
 

clint van damme

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Like I said earlier some people should be forced ie the ones who take the piss with benefits. Problem is though the likes of tony will moan about their rights whilst at the same time moaning about having to import foreign workers.

I'm more worried about the 4 billion lost to tax evasion than the 200 million.lost to benefit fraud to be honest

I'll worry about the latter when they've sorted out the former
 

skybluetony176

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Most of the immigrants working for the NHS wouldn't be allowed in under Priti vacants new points system.
One of my daughters had to spend a couple of days in Walsgrave last year (nothing serious) and the first thing that dawned on me while sitting in a corridor for 3 hours waiting for her to come out of theatre was who is going to clean the hospitals after Brexit?
 

skybluetony176

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Crazy that we can’t get UK workers to do this though. Ultimately I’d imagine pay will have to increase to attract more people to manual agri jobs (may lead to increases in prices but so be it, it’s what should be happening)

Also, what are the kids doing for cash these days ? I used to pick up litter around the local golf course for a few quid when I was younger
Do we actually have enough slack in the British workforce to make it up though? We have had record lows in unemployment for a good while now and agri jobs have a lot of competition. People have choices and the right to choose whatever job they A) want to apply for and B) what they want to accept.
 

tisza

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Crazy that we can’t get UK workers to do this though. Ultimately I’d imagine pay will have to increase to attract more people to manual agri jobs (may lead to increases in prices but so be it, it’s what should be happening)

Also, what are the kids doing for cash these days ? I used to pick up litter around the local golf course for a few quid when I was younger
People don't like piecework. Most of the seasonal harvesting work is that. Also comes down to geography in many cases in having to get large groups of people from urban to rural areas on a daily basis.
 

clint van damme

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See the NHS is running out of gowns now


So the government of the world's 6th biggest economy have failed to procure enough fit for purpose testing kits, face masks, gloves and gowns during this pandemic.

What a fucking shower.
 

skybluetony176

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Germany flying in 80000 Romanians and Poles to pick strawberries and asparagus atm. Austria desperately trying to find East European Labour as well.
Spain will continue using illegal immigrant labour.
UK been bringing in European labour for over 30 years. Used to be mainly students on short term visas.
Problem with a lot of commercial-scale operations is pickers living on the farms in dormitory accommodation - not conducive to social distancing etc.
There was a time when European countries used to import British workers too. Anyone remember the sitcom Auf Wiedersehen Pet. Had a couple of uncles who went to work in Germany myself when I was a kid.
 

shmmeee

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Most people on benefits need it. Clamping down on cheats is often used as an excuse to cut back on those who need it, without people complaining, rather than an active desire to root out the few.

Yep, and most of the “long term unemployed scroungers” are 50-64 year old who can’t get hired due to ageism: https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/news/articles/over-50s-more-likely-to-face-long-term-unemployment

Yet again people making decisions based on fairy tales sold to them by the tabloids and not the real world.
 

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