Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

He was talking about as a 16 year old he had no money and qualifications and achieved that and I asked is that something a vote for labour encourages.

you seem a bit slow?

achieved what? This is the guy who wants to shoot migrant boats, has a massive chip on his shoulder about everything and is permanently obnoxious- what has he ‘achieved’ exactly?

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Probably don’t patronise them that they should know better and you know what’s good for them

Because you definitely don't see the likes of Johnson, JRM, Cameron etc. thinking they're superior to 'ordinary' folk and know what's best for them? But they patronise them in a plummy accent so that's fine.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Most on here don't seem to agree.

You have to appeal to most in some way. The Tories do it by lowering tax. That is why our services get shafted.

Hopefully when this is all over the majority will be happy to pay more tax. Frontline staff deserve much more. And this isn't just pay. The problem has always been people don't vote for tax increases. The floating voters vote for what is best for them. But maybe most will realise what is more important.

And no more free internet for all. The money raised needs to go where it is needed. To care for people that need it.

They tend to lower taxes mostly for the already well off or big business. Like the Republicans in the US when they speak of tax cuts generally it’s not tax cuts for Joe Bloggs. They can’t run on what they actually believe as nobody would vote for it so they have to use rhetorical tricks to get people to vote against their own self interest. They want socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else.

People need reminding that we already get a lot of ‘free stuff’ in the form of schooling up to the age of 18, healthcare for life, rubbish collection, fire and rescue, policing and a social safety net. These things weren’t always a given and if those with small c conservative views always had their way we wouldn’t have them or if we did it would be the American version at best. The challenge for social democrats is to frame the narrative and dictate it so that this way of thinking is normal and being a Thatcher child is seen as odd.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

achieved what? This is the guy who wants to shoot migrant boats, has a massive chip on his shoulder about everything and is permanently obnoxious- what has he ‘achieved’ exactly?

Has a well paid job at a poorly performing car manufacturer, then again so did the guy you’re quoting

 

[skybluetony176]

We? Yet again it was a private company that chartered the flight.

And we will be in recession when we open up again. Just like most of the world.

We don't need. But the company bosses who make the money will make even more money by bringing in cheap labour. You are for this until it is having a go at those making the money. Then it is bad.

We? Farms are private companies. Stands to reason that a private company flew them in. Not sure at all what point you’re trying to make there when the “we” is clearly the U.K.

The world is about to change, no one can predict what to accurately but the fact is at this moment in time we are 70000 temporary workers short in one sector alone, 25000 U.K. workers have applied to help fill that void, that’s applied, not all of those will take a job offered and not all of those will be offered a job so we still need at least 45000 workers this summer as things stand. Where are they coming from?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He was talking about as a 16 year old he had no money and qualifications and achieved that and I asked is that something a vote for labour encourages.

you seem a bit slow?

So you weren't in any way making a general point about young people aspiring to own large property..........

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So you weren't in any way making a general point about young people aspiring to own large property..........

What he and Coventrian ignore is that the latter is a racist prick and it has nothing to do with his background.

 

[David O'Day]

Has a well paid job at a poorly performing car manufacturer, then again so did the guy you’re quoting

In the grand scheme of things he isn't that well paid. Family members of mine earn 4 to.5 as much.

500k houses in covel aren't what they used to be. We sold our 1 bedroom flat in london for 300k.

He's doing alright if he is telling the truth. JLR aren't likely to be employing as many people in future

None of this has anything to do with the fact he's a prize bellend, a racist who has wanted to driw immigrants and most likely ugly as fuck.

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[skybluetony176]

Because you definitely don't see the likes of Johnson, JRM, Cameron etc. thinking they're superior to 'ordinary' folk and know what's best for them? But they patronise them in a plummy accent so that's fine.

The most patronising thing I’ve heard from any mp in the last few years is Rees-Mogg going on about Brexit putting shoes on feet as if we should be grateful for the basic necessity of shoes, not that it was ever an issue pre Brexit.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Have you ever considered thats how people think?

So if someone came to someone's house, beat them to a pulp and stole all their belongings I assume you'd expect them to congratulate the robber on their individualism and looking after number one. Or do you think they'd call the police?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

In the grand scheme of things he isn't that well paid. Family members of mine earn 4 to.5 as much.

500k houses in covel aren't what they used to be. We sold our 1 bedroom flat in london for 300k.

He's doing alright if he is telling the truth. JLR aren't likely to be employing as many people in future

None of this has anything to do with the fact he's a prize bellend, a racist who has wanted to driw immigrants and most likely ugly as fuck.

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He still earns more than me I think

 

[skybluetony176]

achieved what? This is the guy who wants to shoot migrant boats, has a massive chip on his shoulder about everything and is permanently obnoxious- what has he ‘achieved’ exactly?

Being angry over trivial things?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The most patronising thing I’ve heard from any mp in the last few years is Rees-Mogg going on about Brexit putting shoes on feet as if we should be grateful for the basic necessity of shoes, not that it was ever an issue pre Brexit.

If that’s what he says in public what the hell does he say when he thinks nobody’s listening

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You can buy a house not too far from me for less than 40k. But people still rent. Why is this?

How about what would happen if these landlords didn't buy properties to rent out. Where would those who can't buy live?

If the landlords didn't buy them as a business investment (thus giving them greater access to finance) pushing the prices up, properties would be more affordable and those that can't buy would be able to.

Yes, some people would choose to rent, possibly due to not having an intention to stay somewhere long and the hassle of going through buying property that you'd be looking to sell very soon anyway is more of an inconvenience. But there are loads of people who would love to buy and can't.

 

[Grendel]

Has a well paid job at a poorly performing car manufacturer, then again so did the guy you’re quoting

Bitterness and resentment - more excellent qualities

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If the landlords didn't buy them as a business investment (thus giving them greater access to finance) pushing the prices up, properties would be more affordable and those that can't buy would be able to.

Yes, some people would choose to rent, possibly due to not having an intention to stay somewhere long and the hassle of going through buying property that you'd be looking to sell very soon anyway is more of an inconvenience. But there are loads of people who would love to buy and can't.

We were being charged £850 a month to rent a two bed place in Cov and at the time we were each only on £22k as first year teachers. With student loan payments as well the take home pay wasn’t great and if we had a kid on top there’d be no chance of saving to buy.

 

[skybluetony176]

Has a well paid job at a poorly performing car manufacturer, then again so did the guy you’re quoting

I blame the management. Lions and the odd racist led by donkeys.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

When is a ventilator not a ventilator? When the U.K. are trying to get some... another shambles

 

[Grendel]

So you weren't in any way making a general point about young people aspiring to own large property..........

No I was quoting him as an example of someone you’d expect to be a labour voter and what would a vote for labour do to enhance his quality of life and oddly no one has yet answered

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Bitterness and resentment - more excellent qualities

Even you stated that JLR is in poor shape buddy. There is one bitter old man here annoyed at being called out on his racism and another old man sticking up for him and boasting about his salary on a semi regular basis.

For people who always complain about sneering you both do it a lot

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The most patronising thing I’ve heard from any mp in the last few years is Rees-Mogg going on about Brexit putting shoes on feet as if we should be grateful for the basic necessity of shoes, not that it was ever an issue pre Brexit.

Did you see the thing from when he was first campaigning to become an MP and people were laughing at him because he'd taken his nanny with him. His response being "I don't know why they're laughing - if it'd been my valet they'd have considered it perfectly normal"

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No I was quoting him as an example of someone you’d expect to be a labour voter and what would a vote for labour do to enhance his quality of life and oddly no one has yet answered

So I asked you how to appeal to someone who wants to kill immigrants and oddly you never answered

 

[Ring Of Steel]

No I was quoting him as an example of someone you’d expect to be a labour voter and what would a vote for labour do to enhance his quality of life and oddly no one has yet answered

I would perhaps argue (maybe naively) that as someone who clearly has massive chips on both shoulders about foreigners, immigrants, young people and indeed anyone he sees as different to himself, that any attempt to pigeonhole him as ‘typical labour’ is somewhat misguided

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Did you see the thing from when he was first campaigning to become an MP and people were laughing at him because he'd taken his nanny with him. His response being "I don't know why they're laughing - if it'd been my valet they'd have considered it perfectly normal"

really? His nanny?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

really? His nanny?

Not just his nanny but the family one.

 

[Grendel]

Because you definitely don't see the likes of Johnson, JRM, Cameron etc. thinking they're superior to 'ordinary' folk and know what's best for them? But they patronise them in a plummy accent so that's fine.

It’s fine as they are politicians who want people to vote for them.

The conservatives win elections because they have strategies to win them whereas labour other than Blair who was excellent at it don’t

Labour is obsessed with its members. Members of parties are not the general public

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I would perhaps argue (maybe naively) that as someone who clearly has massive chips on both shoulders about foreigners, immigrants, young people and indeed anyone he sees as different to himself, that any attempt to pigeonhole him as ‘typical labour’ is somewhat misguided

I’m guessing he’ll either run away or deflect. My money’s on deflection

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Not just his nanny but the family one.

that’s brilliant, I never knew that

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No I was quoting him as an example of someone you’d expect to be a labour voter and what would a vote for labour do to enhance his quality of life and oddly no one has yet answered

No you asked what would Labour do to help his aspirations to be monetarily rich? I answered about what they'd do to enhance quality of life with things like healthcare and public services alongside many other things that improve quality of life, but they difficult to put a monetary value so obviously are worthless in your mind, when in reality a lot of them are priceless.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

that’s brilliant, I never knew that

I think they went on Archibald Kyle in ‘My Viscount Made A Pass At My Nanny!’

 

[Grendel]

No you asked what would Labour do to help his aspirations to be monetarily rich? I answered about what they'd do to enhance quality of life with things like healthcare and public services alongside many other things that improve quality of life, but they difficult to put a monetary value so obviously are worthless in your mind, when in reality a lot of them are priceless.

There is zero evidence they would

People generally put policies first that impact their own lives and basic securities - most only see interested in politics bear elections. They have little real interest in policies and generally have little faith politicians will deliver them anyway - again you are trying to bring people up to what you believe are superior behaviours

Most wont and don’t

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There is zero evidence they would

People generally put policies first that impact their own lives and basic securities - most only see interested in politics bear elections. They have little real interest in policies and generally have little faith politicians will deliver them anyway - again you are trying to bring people up to what you believe are superior behaviours

Most wont and don’t

So it’s who can tell the most convincing lies?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

There is zero evidence they would

People generally put policies first that impact their own lives and basic securities - most only see interested in politics bear elections. They have little real interest in policies and generally have little faith politicians will deliver them anyway - again you are trying to bring people up to what you believe are superior behaviours

Most wont and don’t

so what you’re saying is that because politicians are so bad people just try to protect themselves by voting for whoever they perceive as doing more ‘for them’, because they feel that a vote for the ‘greater good’ is just a waste of time.

Isn’t that kind of the point? That too many people have been indoctrinated, socialised, educated and basically steamrollered into believing that striving to have more than your neighbour is the ultimate life goal?

I am not saying your views are wrong, rather that they are underpinned by everything that you are told to think by certain political factions. Look at the media- we lost all sense of balance a long time ago- either main party could advocate killing baby seals at 5pm every day and their media supporters would justify it. There’s no balance anywhere, just lies

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It’s fine as they are politicians who want people to vote for them.

The conservatives win elections because they have strategies to win them whereas labour other than Blair who was excellent at it don’t

Labour is obsessed with its members. Members of parties are not the general public

I agree with the latter points - Labour tend to go by policy and (naively) trust in the general public to look deeper into the issues and their proposed solutions. Tories go with soundbites, slogans, smears and spin. So not surprising the only Labour leader to win was one who had a more 'Tory-esque' battle plan towards elections. They need to get out of the echo chamber. If they want to win it's not the members that need convincing - it's the ones that aren't. Stop preaching to the converted.

Why I have no intention of ever joining a single political party. It's not the people who think like me I need to mainly push my thoughts and ideas on. It's the ones that don't. My focus wouldn't be on the likes of shmmeee, tony, ian etc - it'd be on the likes of you (well, I'd probably start with someone a bit less entrenched but the principle stands)

But your first sentence makes no sense. it's apparently fine for the likes of JRM etc to patronise people and know what's best for them because they're politicians. But not the likes of Corbyn? Who is a politician.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

HM the Queen has very graciously decided not to proceed with a cannon salute for one of her two birthdays this year. She has said it wouldn’t be appropriate-although it was for all the other times