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[Grendel]

so what you’re saying is that because politicians are so bad people just try to protect themselves by voting for whoever they perceive as doing more ‘for them’, because they feel that a vote for the ‘greater good’ is just a waste of time.

Isn’t that kind of the point? That too many people have been indoctrinated, socialised, educated and basically steamrollered into believing that striving to have more than your neighbour is the ultimate life goal?

I am not saying your views are wrong, rather that they are underpinned by everything that you are told to think by certain political factions. Look at the media- we lost all sense of balance a long time ago- either main party could advocate killing baby seals at 5pm every day and their media supporters would justify it. There’s no balance anywhere, just lies

No I’m saying the labour strategy is wrong. You see it on here - the membership are trying to force concepts down the wider publics throat and then blame everyone else for when it all falls over - it’s laughable

It was the easiest campaign for the Tories to win

Any business would look at the most successful period in its history as ways to recover - not try and airbrush then from history

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

There is zero evidence they would

People generally put policies first that impact their own lives and basic securities - most only see interested in politics bear elections. They have little real interest in policies and generally have little faith politicians will deliver them anyway - again you are trying to bring people up to what you believe are superior behaviours

Most wont and don’t

So in two sentences you say "people generally put policies first that impact their own lives and securities" then a few words later "they have little real interest in policies".

I think you're right on the latter sentence. They don't. As I've already said it's soundbites and slogans. If they put policies that impact their own lives and securities they wouldn't be voting for a party that consistently reduces funding to things like healthcare and police.

But thanks for agreeing that I'm trying to bring people UP to superior behaviours rather DOWN to their most base selfish ones.

 

[tisza]

You can buy a house not too far from me for less than 40k. But people still rent. Why is this?

How about what would happen if these landlords didn't buy properties to rent out. Where would those who can't buy live?

Interesting this.
Talking to one of my brothers and some friends in UK (1 in Brum, rest in London) who have seriously realized how much work can be done from home and are looking at the merits of relocating (particularly northwards) due to the cost of housing (and the rent/mortgages they are currently paying).

 

[shmmeee]

really? His nanny?

They look like an 80s electro pop duo:

 

[Ring Of Steel]

No I’m saying the labour strategy is wrong. You see it on here - the membership are trying to force concepts down the wider publics throat and then blame everyone else for when it all falls over - it’s laughable

It was the easiest campaign for the Tories to win

Any business would look at the most successful period in its history as ways to recover - not try and airbrush then from history

I remember the night of the election, I thought it might be close so decided to watch (until falling asleep), but then within 2 mins of the coverage starting they showed the exit poll and it was clear it was going to be a bit of a walkover. I was amazed, everything I’d seen hinted at it being way closer.

 

[David O'Day]

He still earns more than me I think

Great, but he's a bellend with no real skills and a decent but not really amazing salary

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Any business would look at the most successful period in its history as ways to recover - not try and airbrush then from history

So I guess things like the tea and cotton industries should look to bring back slavery then?

 

[shmmeee]

So in two sentences you say "people generally put policies first that impact their own lives and securities" then a few words later "they have little real interest in policies".

I think you're right on the latter sentence. They don't. As I've already said it's soundbites and slogans. If they put policies that impact their own lives and securities they wouldn't be voting for a party that consistently reduces funding to things like healthcare and police.

But thanks for agreeing that I'm trying to bring people UP to superior behaviours rather DOWN to their most base selfish ones.

There's a saying in sales “people buy people” I think it’s fair to say in politics “people vote for people”.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Interesting this.
Talking to one of my brothers and some friends in UK (1 in Brum, rest in London) who have seriously realized how much work can be done from home and are looking at the merits of relocating (particularly northwards) due to the cost of housing (and the rent/mortgages they are currently paying).

I’m also considering ‘going it alone’- well, have been for a few years really and almost did before leaving, but this situation has taught me that it’s easy, doable and there are lots of people that need a bit of help.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

They look like an 80s electro pop duo:

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Is that her? That looks like a poster for a horror film

 

[David O'Day]

So I guess things like the tea and cotton industries should look to bring back slavery then?

Grenners is comedy gold.

Thick as mince and a fantasist to boot

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[Ring Of Steel]

So I guess things like the tea and cotton industries should look to bring back slavery then?

In fairness that’s a hard one to come back on

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Interesting this.
Talking to one of my brothers and some friends in UK (1 in Brum, rest in London) who have seriously realized how much work can be done from home and are looking at the merits of relocating (particularly northwards) due to the cost of housing (and the rent/mortgages they are currently paying).

When QCDA moved to Butts and some of the London staff moved one of the things they said was they couldn't believe the kind of properties they could afford. One woman said she sold her one bedroom London flat and bought a 4 bed house with a massive garden with the proceeds.

 

[Grendel]

So in two sentences you say "people generally put policies first that impact their own lives and securities" then a few words later "they have little real interest in policies".

I think you're right on the latter sentence. They don't. As I've already said it's soundbites and slogans. If they put policies that impact their own lives and securities they wouldn't be voting for a party that consistently reduces funding to things like healthcare and police.

But thanks for agreeing that I'm trying to bring people UP to superior behaviours rather DOWN to their most base selfish ones.

You can see there are a couple big things most are interested in stability and security most are not interested in schemes such as nationalisation, free internet places on boards for individuals - it’s will I pay more or less tax will my life be enhanced or not and that’s it

 

[shmmeee]

Grenners is comedy gold.

Thick as mince and a fantasist to boot

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Bog standard pub bore.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You can see there are a couple big things most are interested in stability and security most are not interested in schemes such as nationalisation, free internet places on boards for individuals - it’s will I pay more or less tax will my life be enhanced or not and that’s it

yes but why are people thinking that way?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I’m never going back to the barbers ever again, this clippers lark is a piece of piss

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I’m descending into madness more each day, I’m off on the bike- have a superb day my sky blue colleagues, whatever political party you support

 

[tisza]

Members of parties are not the general public

Key point this.
Voters are individuals no matter how much people try and bloc them into groupings
All parties susceptible to vested interests.
But, for example, large Trade Unions that are Labour backers can't actually block deliver their members votes in an election. Large companies that back Conservative party can't block deliver their employees' votes. All these entities are not members per se but they are just as influential as individual members in many ways.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

it’s will I pay more or less tax will my life be enhanced or not and that’s it

I think you're correct on this point but that's down to indoctrination over many generations that gets passed on. When you say 'will my life be enhanced' what you mean is "will I have more money/belongings". Places like Scandi see an enhanced life in a far more holisitic way.

 

[Grendel]

So I guess things like the tea and cotton industries should look to bring back slavery then?

Again exactly the absurd mindset labour has and why you’ll forever be second in a two horse race

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Again exactly the absurd mindset labour has and why you’ll forever be second in a two horse race

What the fuck are you talking about? You said as business should look to it's best performance as a means to recover not airbrush them from history.

The tea and cotton industries were most profitable at the time it used slave labour. But they kind of keep quiet about that and airbrush it out don't they.

And I'm not labour.

 

[Grendel]

What the fuck are you talking about? You said as business should look to it's best performance as a means to recover not airbrush them from history.

The tea and cotton industries were most profitable at the time it used slave labour. But they kind of keep quiet about that and airbrush it out don't they.

And I'm not labour.

You are trying to be smart and bring up a heinous example and compare that to labour trying to forget Blair and Brown existed

If slavery was introduced again said businesses would be shut down. If Tony Blair and Brown from their hey days were in charge they’d have flattened Johnson in the last election

It’s a dumb comparison

 

[Astute]

They tend to lower taxes mostly for the already well off or big business. Like the Republicans in the US when they speak of tax cuts generally it’s not tax cuts for Joe Bloggs. They can’t run on what they actually believe as nobody would vote for it so they have to use rhetorical tricks to get people to vote against their own self interest. They want socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else.

People need reminding that we already get a lot of ‘free stuff’ in the form of schooling up to the age of 18, healthcare for life, rubbish collection, fire and rescue, policing and a social safety net. These things weren’t always a given and if those with small c conservative views always had their way we wouldn’t have them or if we did it would be the American version at best. The challenge for social democrats is to frame the narrative and dictate it so that this way of thinking is normal and being a Thatcher child is seen as odd.

No need to give me a lecture about something obvious.

I was asked why I think so many people vote Tory. I replied tax cuts. They don't normally go into a GE promising tax going up to pay for what we need. They just say what people want to hear.

 

[David O'Day]

Bog standard pub bore.

He's basically Nigel from the devonshire arms.



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[Astute]

If the landlords didn't buy them as a business investment (thus giving them greater access to finance) pushing the prices up, properties would be more affordable and those that can't buy would be able to.

Yes, some people would choose to rent, possibly due to not having an intention to stay somewhere long and the hassle of going through buying property that you'd be looking to sell very soon anyway is more of an inconvenience. But there are loads of people who would love to buy and can't.

What about those who don't/can't work? Do they not come I to the equation? Without private landlords many would be homeless.

We need more homes not less landlords.

 

[Grendel]

No need to give me a lecture about something obvious.

I was asked why I think so many people vote Tory. I replied tax cuts. They don't normally go into a GE promising tax going up to pay for what we need. They just say what people want to hear.

They didn’t promise tax cuts did they?

 

[David O'Day]

Why do people even give that weirdo the time of day?

He's been shown to be an idiot who has no grasp of anything he talks about

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[Ian1779]

No I’m saying the labour strategy is wrong. You see it on here - the membership are trying to force concepts down the wider publics throat and then blame everyone else for when it all falls over - it’s laughable

It was the easiest campaign for the Tories to win

This you are right on - the membership push for a PV was a deeply stupid move.

 

[tisza]

I’m never going back to the barbers ever again, this clippers lark is a piece of piss

got so little hair now just drive along with my head out the window and that keeps it in shape

 

[Ian1779]

Good to see a solid response from the Opposition.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No need to give me a lecture about something obvious.

I was asked why I think so many people vote Tory. I replied tax cuts. They don't normally go into a GE promising tax going up to pay for what we need. They just say what people want to hear.

They have gone into multiple GEs pledging not to pay people properly and to maintain real terms funding cuts. How is that a vote winner?

 

[Astute]

They didn’t promise tax cuts did they?

They didn't have to offer anything other than get Brexit done. The last time they offered a referendum if they got in. And we all know how that ended.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why do people even give that weirdo the time of day?

Which one?

 

[Grendel]

Why do people even give that weirdo the time of day?

He's been shown to be an idiot who has no grasp of anything he talks about

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David with people like you on the opposite end of the political spectrum life for the Tories is so so easy.