Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

I see what you/others are getting at but the 200m rule is a big one though and seeing pictures of people running and exercising in public places is very, very different.

You’re only supposed to be “local” here, that’s the official guidance. It’s just not enforced.

The point is that any restrictions on when you can leave your house are a lockdown. Some are stricter than others but they’re all lockdowns. A lockdown is a restriction on leaving an area. We are restricted. We are in lockdown.

This has to be up there as one of the stupider arguments I’ve had on this site.

 

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[shmmeee]

Italian lessons: what we've learned from two months of home schooling

Quite an interesting essay on home schooling children in Italy. As somebody who mostly found school very restrictive and uninspiring but in later life have looked at education completely differently through doing an Open Uni degree I can relate to some of the comments on how education can be modernised and facilitated in ways that can bring much more out of personalities who don't fit well into the traditional school system.

Yeah it’s easy to differentiate to that level when you’ve got class sizes of 1-3 TBF.

It’s not like teachers don’t want to do this stuff but the primary aim of schools as childcare centres and exam factories to get good numbers for politicians take priority. The biggest issue is simply staffing and timetabling. I remember talking to a Maths teacher about stage not age and the practical realities of implementing it.

The Tories have put the move towards a sensible education system into reverse the last ten years but there were hopes to move it towards more personalised, passion led learning and less rote sausage factory stuff.

 

[djr8369]

Yeah it’s easy to differentiate to that level when you’ve got class sizes of 1-3 TBF.

It’s not like teachers don’t want to do this stuff but the primary aim of schools as childcare centres and exam factories to get good numbers for politicians take priority. The biggest issue is simply staffing and timetabling. I remember talking to a Maths teacher about stage not age and the practical realities of implementing it.

The Tories have put the move towards a sensible education system into reverse the last ten years but there were hopes to move it towards more personalised, passion led learning and less rote sausage factory stuff.

I can't offer much back on your points as my perspective is only as a student but the media coverage over the last few years on testing and metrics is worrying and as I said, the traditional school system and methods clearly don't cater for some personality types (I'm sure that's improved somewhat since I left school) and the rise of the internet must have helped.

Reading that essay it's interesting how the pandemic is forcing adaption to more modern methods and you can see similar trends elsewhere. I think it is going to have an accelerating affect on many technology trends.

 

[Sick Boy]

You’re only supposed to be “local” here, that’s the official guidance. It’s just not enforced.

The point is that any restrictions on when you can leave your house are a lockdown. Some are stricter than others but they’re all lockdowns. A lockdown is a restriction on leaving an area. We are restricted. We are in lockdown.

This has to be up there as one of the stupider arguments I’ve had on this site.

That is actually quite an honour

 

[Sick Boy]

Italian lessons: what we've learned from two months of home schooling

Quite an interesting essay on home schooling children in Italy. As somebody who mostly found school very restrictive and uninspiring but in later life have looked at education completely differently through doing an Open Uni degree I can relate to some of the comments on how education can be modernised and facilitated in ways that can bring much more out of personalities who don't fit well into the traditional school system.

Thanks will take a look later, I was the same at school and left at 16 with next to no qualifications but then ended up with 4 As at A-Level 5 years later.

 

[Nick]

The latest thing by me seems to be who loves the NHS more and can get the biggest rainbow outside their house.

This is pretty embarrassing really



it seems social distancing and staying in is selective and doesn't apply as long as you are going over the top to say you love the NHS most. Let's get some paramedics to gather on a bridge without any PPE while the public all mingle on there filming themselves.

The guy with the mask around his neck blowing the horn is a highlight, kind of defeats the object.

It's all about putting on a show and people going to film and be part of it to post on social media.

Then people wonder why it's still spreading.

Thats it mate, push all of your germs out into a crowd.

Have a couple of mates round your house and you will get the police kicking your door in and the media witchunt.

 

[shmmeee]

I can't offer much back on your points as my perspective is only as a student but the media coverage over the last few years on testing and metrics is worrying and as I said, the traditional school system and methods clearly don't cater for some personality types (I'm sure that's improved somewhat since I left school) and the rise of the internet must have helped.

Reading that essay it's interesting how the pandemic is forcing adaption to more modern methods and you can see similar trends elsewhere. I think it is going to have an accelerating affect on many technology trends.

The fundamental problem with education is two fold IMO:

1) everyone went to school so every politician has got an opinion and no one want to leave it to the educationalists (also it’s not a solved problem so there’s lots of different views)

2) It’s a 20+ year system and we have 5 year terms. So governments want something to show the electorate they’ve had an impact within 5 years and testing of both schools and kids does that for them.

And maybe:

3) It costs a lot and probably should cost more if we were to get it up to private school levels of class sizes and extra curricular resources, plus it has to cope with the fallout of bad health, police, social policies while also educating.

I used to be tasked with tech in classrooms and while there’s some great stuff, the problem really is the teachers knowledge and the equipment to do it. There’s no reason to be carting dead trees everywhere for a start. But until every kid has a laptop and ideally one with a stylus, it’s the only way to do things.

 

[Nick]

The paramedics are literally mingling with the public

Why are the NHS and Police encouraging and allowing this shit? They might get some likes on social media and their faces on the news.

Maybe the police chief can sort it, oh wait.

Is it any wonder people are getting pissed off and going back to work?

 

[shmmeee]

The paramedics are literally mingling with the public

Why are the NHS and Police encouraging and allowing this shit? They might get some likes on social media and their faces on the news.

Isn’t all that illegal?

Is it me or have we randomly decided recently to fuck off the whole social distancing thing? Roads seem busier, people less careful in shops, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us start to climb again in a week or so when this catches up to hospitalisations.

 

[Nick]

Isn’t all that illegal?

Is it me or have we randomly decided recently to fuck off the whole social distancing thing? Roads seem busier, people less careful in shops, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us start to climb again in a week or so when this catches up to hospitalisations.

It seems that it isn't if it means it is Thursday at 8pm.

When you have the head of the police in London, paramedics from the NHS and police vans there. It isn't going to set an example to a bloke who wants to have a couple of mates he knows round for a BBQ is it?

I look forward to the pricks like Piers Morgan to go apeshit about it like he does when the people stand too close to each other at the press conferences.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Trump proposes injecting bleach to kill corona

 

[CCFCSteve]

Trump proposes injecting bleach to kill corona

yeah, been mentioned on the Trump thread BSB. He’s lost it !

ps I drank some earlier just incase he’s right...fingers crossed !!!

 

[wingy]

Trump proposes injecting bleach to kill corona

I'm going to show sympathy here and assume he's metaphorically meaning vaccine acts like a disinfectant.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Isn’t all that illegal?

Is it me or have we randomly decided recently to fuck off the whole social distancing thing? Roads seem busier, people less careful in shops, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us start to climb again in a week or so when this catches up to hospitalisations.

It does appear to be waning a little (which is why timing of its implementation was so important)

By and large I’d imagine a majority of the population are still following social distancing so it would be disappointing to see a climb in numbers on the back of groups of idiots queuing for a five guys burger !

Ps heard Ireland’s the same though which has led to an increase in cases over

 

[Nick]

It does appear to be waning a little (which is why timing of its implementation was so important)

By and large I’d imagine a majority of the population are still following social distancing so it would be disappointing to see a climb in numbers on the back of groups of idiots queuing for a five guys burger !

Ps heard Ireland’s the same though which has led to an increase in cases over

It all filters down doesn't it? People will see the media coverage of hundreds of people on a bridge talking to paramedics and police with no action and think Fuck it and start going out more.

It's the "IF they can do it, why am I sat in?" type stuff and they have a point. If the police and NHS are setting bad examples, why is somebody who's self employed going to struggle? They won't.

Yet if there's footage of 2 people sat on a beach surrounded by nobody at all you have all the cnuts shouting about them being evil granny killers.

 

[wingy]

It does appear to be waning a little (which is why timing of its implementation was so important)

By and large I’d imagine a majority of the population are still following social distancing so it would be disappointing to see a climb in numbers on the back of groups of idiots queuing for a five guys burger !

Ps heard Ireland’s the same though which has led to an increase in cases over

Again I wonder whether the media's incessant desire for exit plan info is diluting the message .
Just as the Gov't have suggested it may.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm going to show sympathy here and assume he's metaphorically meaning vaccine acts like a disinfectant.

The full quote shows he’s talking about injecting it into people, along with exposing UV radiation into affected body parts

 

[clint van damme]

It all filters down doesn't it? People will see the media coverage of hundreds of people on a bridge talking to paramedics and police with no action and think Fuck it and start going out more.

It's the "IF they can do it, why am I sat in?" type stuff and they have a point. If the police and NHS are setting bad examples, why is somebody who's self employed going to struggle? They won't.

Yet if there's footage of 2 people sat on a beach surrounded by nobody at all you have all the cnuts shouting about them being evil granny killers.

I agree but one of the pictures from 'last night' is from last week. It's almost as if there's an agenda to get people frothing about this.
Not that it's an acceptable example whenever it happened.

 

[djr8369]

Again I wonder whether the media's incessant desire for exit plan info is diluting the message .
Just as the Gov't have suggested it may.

Why would it? Personally I think that is just an excuse from the government because they don't want to say yet. If people had an idea of an exit plan they'd have a clearer idea of what was going on and what the expectation was and wouldn't start to flount the rules.

Somebody is bound to retort that they're following the advice of social scientists or psycologists, and while I'm sure that's true, so is every other country and many are laying out what the exit strategy will be. It's "herd immunity" all over again.

 

[tisza]

We haven't enforced it I agree.

The question is if we are classed as a lockdown compared to Spain and Italy why haven't we enforced it?

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French have imposed 120million Euros worth of fines - so even with heavier fines they've got people obviously ignoring it.
Here it is compulsory in Budapest to wear face covering if on public transport, in taxis or in any shops/markets still open. Went out yesterday to supermarket (in a small mall area) and less than half were following that rule (even amongst the shop staff). Of course no police there to enforce

 

[djr8369]

I'm going to show sympathy here and assume he's metaphorically meaning vaccine acts like a disinfectant.

I thought the same but still an idiotic comment that will probably see people drinking bleach.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Again I wonder whether the media's incessant desire for exit plan info is diluting the message .
Just as the Gov't have suggested it may.

100%. The government have been clear they will announce the release of the measures in due course. I can understand why. For example you say that small groups of can start interacting again from 4 May...nobody can tell me that people wouldn’t start meeting on the days before that date (‘what’s a few days matter’)

I think the media (tv, press and radio) have been pretty poor through this whole process, constant negatively. Im all for questioning decisions/bringing government to account but some of the slants on headlines and stories have been embarrassing. Like the lack of use of the nightingale, this is great news as it means standard hospitals have been able to operate within capacity, something we didn’t think would be possible even just a few weeks ago, but instead we heard from the Mail, Guardian etc ‘30 patients turned away’ (I’m guessing as specialist nurses hadn’t been redeployed to the Nightingale as there’s no need). FFS !

I overheard Farage saying it was only because of him and Piers Morgan that the government moved away from a herd immunity policy ?!! I mean, come on !

If we ever got into war you wouldn’t need foreign propaganda to damage the countrys morale any more, a majority of our own media would do the job for them !!!

Too many vested interests and biases

 

[tisza]

The full quote shows he’s talking about injecting it into people, along with exposing UV radiation into affected body parts

been saying it since he got nominated there's something psychologically wrong with him.
From statements like this to his attitude to women.
His crazy statements not just limited to this particular issue.
Going to be some great (disturbing) reading once his Presidency is over and people start to tell the truth about his administration

 

[clint van damme]

100%. The government have been clear they will announce the release of the measures in due course. I can understand why. For example you say that small groups of can start interacting again from 4 May...nobody can tell me that people wouldn’t start meeting on the days before that date (‘what’s a few days matter’)

I think the media (tv, press and radio) have been pretty poor through this whole process, constant negatively. Im all for questioning decisions/bringing government to account but some of the slants on headlines and stories have been embarrassing. Like the lack of use of the nightingale, this is great news as it means standard hospitals have been able to operated within capacity, something we didn’t think would be possible, but instead we heard from the Mail, Guardian etc ‘30 patients turned away’ (I’m guessing as specialist nurses hadn’t been redeployed to the Nightingale as there’s no need). FFS !

I overheard Farage saying it was only because of him and Piers Morgan that the government moved away from a herd immunity policy ?!! I mean, come on !

If we ever got into war you wouldn’t need foreign propaganda to damage the countrys morale any more, a majority of our own media would do the job for them !!!

Too many vested interests and biases

I think the questions asked by Morgan have been reasonable and the fact he has struggled to get straight answers means it's been an on-going daily saga.
I'm not sure what Farage thinks he's contributed.

 

[tisza]

I thought the same but still an idiotic comment that will probably see people drinking bleach.

weren't there some deaths when people followed some of his earlier advice about taking one of the drugs (possibly the anti-malarial one)

 

[Nick]

It has always been about vested interests, you can tell how the mainstream media have their targets every day and things to go after.

It was clear at the start with pubs, everybody was a murdering idiot who went to the pub for example. Even now with a couple who go for a walk in the middle of nowhere are made out to be horrible people but as long as you are clapping the NHS like you are told and filming yourself then you can do whatever you want.

 

[Nick]

I think the questions asked by Morgan have been reasonable and the fact he has struggled to get straight answers means it's been an on-going daily saga.
I'm not sure what Farage thinks he's contributed.

I think he struggles because of the way he goes about it. The bloke just shouts and interrupts and pushes what he wants to.

The one the other day, a woman's video connection was lagging badly so he would say something and she was still reacting to his previous comment.

 

[clint van damme]

I think he struggles because of the way he goes about it. The bloke just shouts and interrupts and pushes what he wants to.

The one the other day, a woman's video connection was lagging badly so he would say something and she was still reacting to his previous comment.

not really, if you ask a government minister why they've missed a previously stated target or how many people are we testing I think it's reasonable to expect an answer which they've all struggled to provide.
Kier Starmer did a similar thing in PMQs and got a lot of praise for it.
Raab did in PMQs what every minister Morgan has had on has done, tried to duck the question asked by answering a question that wasn't asked.
They are still insisting that they will increase to 100,000 tests a day by the end of the month, that's an increase of 60,000 per day in 6 days.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

been saying it since he got nominated there's something psychologically wrong with him.
From statements like this to his attitude to women.
His crazy statements not just limited to this particular issue.
Going to be some great (disturbing) reading once his Presidency is over and people start to tell the truth about his administration

He’s a case study of a narcissist and in his attempt to impress whoever his audience is he will say and do whatever he thinks will work. There he’s with his scientific advisers so he goes on about things he has no idea about and hopes they will agree.

 

[wingy]

been saying it since he got nominated there's something psychologically wrong with him.
From statements like this to his attitude to women.
His crazy statements not just limited to this particular issue.
Going to be some great (disturbing) reading once his Presidency is over and people start to tell the truth about his administration

What's really disturbing is those (and the quantity) willingly standing with him in this venture.
It's easy to see how Hitler turned Germany into a mental 'State’
The technique is the same.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I think the questions asked by Morgan have been reasonable and the fact he has struggled to get straight answers means it's been an on-going daily saga.
I'm not sure what Farage thinks he's contributed.

To be fair Piers Morgan has asked some valid/reasonable questions which need to be asked but in these type of situations there’s got to be balance for wider public’s mental health. i believe the media has got the balance wrong and as a whole appear to prefer to focus on every last drop of negative news rather than the positive bits (as the nightingale example indicates even turning what is potentially an underlying good news story into a negative one - I think the guardian article had two or three separate sources at the bottom saying it was good that the nightingale hadn’t had to be used - sensationalist, negative headline though)

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

Working from home today , I might knock off early.

 

[clint van damme]

To be fair Piers Morgan has asked some valid/reasonable questions which need to be asked but in these type of situations there’s got to be balance for wider public’s mental health. i believe the media has got the balance wrong and as a whole appear to prefer to focus on every last drop of negative news rather than the positive bits (as the nightingale example indicates even turning what is potentially an underlying good news story into a negative one - I think the guardian article had two or three separate sources at the bottom saying it was good that the nightingale hadn’t had to be used - sensationalist, negative headline though)

it was a great effort to get Nightingale up and running, and it's great news that we may not have to use it. But it just means that people are dying in their thousands, just not as many thousands as we thought they might. Not really a goods news story!

 

[Nick]

not really, if you ask a government minister why they've missed a previously stated target or how many people are we testing I think it's reasonable to expect an answer which they've all struggled to provide.
Kier Starmer did a similar thing in PMQs and got a lot of praise for it.
Raab did in PMQs what every minister Morgan has had on has done, tried to duck the question asked by answering a question that wasn't asked.
They are still insisting that they will increase to 100,000 tests a day by the end of the month, that's an increase of 60,000 per day in 6 days.

That's why it's the way he goes about it. It usually helps to give them a few seconds to reply before he starts shouting over them or asking people who aren't responsible for testing.

Of course, ask questions but it's asking the right person the right way.

The issue is that he gets people lapping it up and making him a hero, the same as when he was going off about how everybody going to the pub is an idiot while he still had a makeup team looking after him in the mornings.

Will be interesting to see if he says much about people gathering on the bridge and all of the forgetting of social distancing on Thursdays, I doubt he will though because it doesn't get everybody thinking the world is about to end.

His whole agenda has been to get people worried and in a frenzy.

 

[djr8369]

Like the lack of use of the nightingale, this is great news as it means standard hospitals have been able to operate within capacity, something we didn’t think would be possible even just a few weeks ago, but instead we heard from the Mail, Guardian etc ‘30 patients turned away’ (I’m guessing as specialist nurses hadn’t been redeployed to the Nightingale as there’s no need). FFS !

From what I understand they were turned away due to a lack of staff. Why send patients there if there was no need to? It was a great achievement to get them built and great we didn't go over capacity but something seems to have gone wrong with the logistics/planning since then.