chiefdave
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Not sure I would take Johnson's advise over Sir Patrick Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP - the Governments Chief Scientific Adviser.
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (118 Viewers)
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There is no argument. I’m just trying to start a dialogue on how restrictions are eased and you’ve read things into my post that weren’t there.
Ian1779
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I think those two are just out of their depth TBH. Whereas Boris is just a manipulator.
Astute
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Not a surprise as a few have been too harsh on Starmer on here.
Astute
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Wife has now been informed that the choice will be down to parents if their kids go back to school when they reopen. Suppose it is changing all the time for yourself.
How are the people that live near you taking it? Do they want to get back to work?
fernandopartridge
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Agreed, it is a lockdown in that if you're doing certain things you would usually be about to do you are breaking a law and liable to criminal prosecution.
Astute
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And not much of a restriction as nobody knows how long you have been out for.
The coventrian
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Back to work 18th of may thank God. This is beyond tedious now.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Oh right - it's the transmission rate of each customer.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Couldn't tell what?
I put a link up to how smokers look as though they have less chance of getting the virus. That is it.
Then your POV counts more than mine because you have a degree. Best thing is you don't know what qualifications I have as I don't keep mentioning them. I have never mentioned them once that I remember. And unlike yourself I have never said how much I earn either.
Is this now me being facetious?
No you talked about people claiming to know more about the experts but meh
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Btw after we had the discussion on the tik tok video why weren't we outraged at all the pictures of nurses and doctors in masks etc holding up signs saying 'Get Well Soon Boris'? Surely they've got enough to do without faffing around making signs and posters for facebook/Twitter likes? Plus why specifically mention Boris to get better? What about every other patient? You know, the ones that didn't specifically deny you a pay rise and has failed to procure you the PPE/ventilators either through incompetence or mistruths.
Astute
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Oh OK.
You said you know that those who smoke and end up getting the virus will have worse symptoms. You know this because you have a degree.
Yes it is the Mail. But it quotes where all the evidence has come from.
French researchers plan to give nicotine patches to coronavirus patients and frontline workers | Daily Mail Online
Like I keep saying I prefer to look at all evidence with an open mind and not just state what I think. This shows why.
David O'Day
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it's really not, really really not
Johhny Blue
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How many millions of times have I told you not to exaggerate?
Johhny Blue
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They don't need a virus to die early
Johhny Blue
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It looks like there's more than 5 guys inside
This is madness.
Why is it allowed still? You can't walk round a country park but you can queue up for a burger.
shmmeee
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Solid argument.
Meanwhile, in reality:
From: Lockdown - Wikipedia
Gatherings of more than two banned as UK enters coronavirus lockdown | Metro News
Britain enters coronavirus lockdown | The Spectator
Boris Johnson orders UK lockdown to be enforced by police
When will lockdown end? The UK's coronavirus lockdown, explained | WIRED UK
UK coronavirus lockdown: what are the rules, and when will it be lifted?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Workplaces that are still open
David O'Day
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Cool a wikipedia link and some press stories that like to paint a darker picture.
What reality are you in chap? Is it fluffy there.
That's 2 nil to me and you're back in the ignored list that you were first put o for your dribblings about the trust.
A fucking wiki link omfg
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David O'Day
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Still laughing
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David O'Day
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Moving on from that plum.
That big night in made me want to smash my telly
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That big night in made me want to smash my telly
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covmark
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You regularly make some decent points. Why do you feel the need to mix that with being a complete prick.
Seems you also put people on ignore who disagree with you. You obviously like having confirmation of your opinions, without being challenged. Sad as fuck that.
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SkyblueBazza
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This is a virus. It is completely indiscriminate as to who it will infect. It appears quite random (what we know so far) as to who it kills.
So to stop people dying from it we need: -
1. Something to fight (cure) it in those infected
2. Something to stop spreading (prevent) it:
a. A vaccine
b. More of what we are doing
Smart arse comments ain't going to help you a jot if it takes a hold on you.
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Astute
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Depends how it is handled.
About 500 people are employed where I work. Those who can work from home do. Thise with underlying health issues of any kind are off on full pay. We have people in sterilizing what can be touched 24 hours a day. Our temperature is checked each day on arrival to work before we get on site. Any slight symptoms and off for 14 days.
Don't know what is happening elsewhere though.
RegTheDonk
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Sounds pretty thorough and on those reports good to see an employer taking responsibility for staff wellbeing.
David O'Day
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What are you talking about fella?
It does have a pattern on who it kills.
But as we have already stated you can not make 60 million people stay in for 19 months. What will happen is eventually more and more people will risk breaking the restrictions and eventually they fall apart. People are irrational when it comes to decision making. There's been some good studies into this and it's effect in the 1918 flu pandemic.
At some stage the transmission rate will drop low enough that you can loosen the restrictions. To back this up you then have to be able to implement a comprehensive track and trace program. If the transmission rate gets to high again you then implement the restrictions again.
You then have to take into effect the economic damage that is happening to the economy. Like ot or not there will be trade off offs on this and medical reasoning. The cabinet is already split on this.
It will a decision made based on epidemiology, mental health, physical health, economic and behavioural sciences reasoning.
#mikedrop
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fernandopartridge
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There is legislation where flouting it leads to a fine:
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020
It is a lockdown albeit on the softer end of the scale.
David O'Day
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You still aren't locked down
fernandopartridge
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OK, on balance probably not in the fullest sense, but in comparison to established freedoms I am. I can't go and meet my mates for a pint. I can't travel to see my family in Coventry.
Astute
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Worked for them since the mid 90's. Even moved my wife and younger kids 200 miles away from the older kids to change plants. But giod employers are rare.
The wife's mother died boxing day. When the funeral was arranged the wife couldn't get a flight from France. So they let me have an extra 2 weeks off as I was already in France but due back at work before the funeral. They are also paying us extra money for working presently. We didn't even ask for it.
Had some right shit jobs before so appreciate it.
Really strange. He's arguing over the semantics of lockdown because if he doesn't his condescending reply to my original post has no merit. The ridiculous thing is I didn't even use the term "lockdown" I asked what social distancing measures might remain in place while opening the economy back up.
He's manufactured an argument from nothing, painted himself into a corner, and now can't retreat from it. Basically he's done a Grendel.
Wyken Sky Blue
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I don't class this as a full lockdown, more a semi-lockdown.
A full lockdown for me is what happened in Spain and Italy.
Sky Blue Pete
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And no one has become poorly?
shmmeee
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The rules are virtually the same: no non essential travel, non essential shops closed, gatherings banned, schools closed. The only real difference is that we haven’t tried to enforce it. But it’s a lockdown. Some are tighter than others but that doesn’t stop it being a lockdown. There are laws restricting when you’re allowed to leave your house that didn’t exist before. That’s lockdown. That’s what it is.
I don’t think chihuahuas count as full dogs, but they are.