Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (187 Viewers)

[Nick]

Yep the out of hospital deaths are what is recorded on the death certificate and that does not require confirmation.

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Even the ones in hospital, they don't need to test positive for it to be a covid death.

 

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[shmmeee]

Which Five Guys is that?

Is that the New Street one?

Just asking cos I might go and be outraged in person.

 

[Nick]

Which Five Guys is that?

Is that the New Street one?

Just asking cos I might go and be outraged in person.

Up north I think

 

[shmmeee]

Just looked, a positive test result isn't required for somebody to have died from Coronavirus.

Bit mad really.

Not really. Doctors/morticians/whatever are capable of diagnosing without tests for all kinds of things and AFAIK the tests aren’t 100% reliable anyway, especially if asymptomatic.

And again, the exact cause of death for each person isn’t really relevant. It’s overall excess deaths.

 

[wingy]

4.5,k new cases

Where is this transmission occurring

 

[CCFCSteve]

4.5,k new cases

Where is this transmission occurring

In queues outside five guys by the looks of it

 

[chiefdave]

Have they started to delve into all of the deaths they are announcing?

ONS has cause of death data:
Deaths - Office for National Statistics

There's a study here on how long people who died with Covid-19 would have otherwise been expected to live:
COVID-19 – exploring the... | Wellcome Open Research

Probably the easiest thing to look at is total deaths compared to previous years:

 

[djr8369]

The restrictions remaining until there is a vaccine.

It's not going to work economically or practically. You can't keep people in lockdown for up to 18 months as it will be worse for peoples health and they are liable to start to ignore it.

You need to wait until the transmission data is down and then go back to the test and track methods. That requires high testing capacity but that will happen eventually.



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I made no suggestion the restrictions remain until there is a vaccine or that lockdown would continue for 18 months. I said social distancing might last all year (which is what has been mentioned) and questioned what that looks like while trying to get the economy going.

 

[chiefdave]

Yet McDonalds drive through closed.

McDonalds, like pretty much everywhere else, closed voluntarily. Its all well and good people on social media being outraged that places like B&Q and Five Guys are reopening and asking why the government are allowing it. The government never stopped it in the first place.

Really shows the complete lack of common sense in many people. I like a burger as much as the next person but its not something I'd risk my life over.

 

[Nick]

McDonalds, like pretty much everywhere else, closed voluntarily. Its all well and good people on social media being outraged that places like B&Q and Five Guys are reopening and asking why the government are allowing it. The government never stopped it in the first place.

Really shows the complete lack of common sense in many people. I like a burger as much as the next person but its not something I'd risk my life over.

I don't get why the police allow it if they are clamping down on people in country parks walking on their own?

Who thinks they must go and queue for a burger like that.

 

[CCFCSteve]

McDonalds, like pretty much everywhere else, closed voluntarily. Its all well and good people on social media being outraged that places like B&Q and Five Guys are reopening and asking why the government are allowing it. The government never stopped it in the first place.

Really shows the complete lack of common sense in many people. I like a burger as much as the next person but its not something I'd risk my life over.

Agree, no ssue with them being open, but people need to adhere to the social distancing as much as possible (and stores should also be trying to enforce it, like the supermarkets are now doing)

 

[djr8369]

McDonalds, like pretty much everywhere else, closed voluntarily. Its all well and good people on social media being outraged that places like B&Q and Five Guys are reopening and asking why the government are allowing it. The government never stopped it in the first place.

Really shows the complete lack of common sense in many people. I like a burger as much as the next person but its not something I'd risk my life over.

Yeah the lack of clear cut guidance is remarkable. I wonder how much the drop in transmission rate is down the voluntary stuff? People keep asking me why I am still going to work. As you say though nothing to say most people can't. Government might have made a rod for their own back here as at some point they are going to have to say they won't pay for furlough of voluntarily closed places but then businesses who need to furlough people due to reduced demand will have to prove they need the support, load more admin.

 

[Sick Boy]

In full lockdown mode now, head has been shaved.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The restrictions remaining until there is a vaccine.

It's not going to work economically or practically. You can't keep people in lockdown for up to 18 months as it will be worse for peoples health and they are liable to start to ignore it.

You need to wait until the transmission data is down and then go back to the test and track methods. That requires high testing capacity but that will happen eventually.



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That's what is being planned by the look of it

 

[Sick Boy]

Phase 2 starting here from the 4th but seems that we won’t be back at work in May.

 

[wingy]

Agree, no ssue with them being open, but people need to adhere to the social distancing as much as possible (and stores should also be trying to enforce it, like the supermarkets are now doing)

Yep B&Q are, possibly what you can buy as well
But I'm fairly sure you can buy online with delivery too
Fairly sure there are certain construction jobs which could be safely carried out .
Not sure of obtaining materials from wholesalers though

 

[David O'Day]

I made no suggestion the restrictions remain until there is a vaccine or that lockdown would continue for 18 months. I said social distancing might last all year (which is what has been mentioned) and questioned what that looks like while trying to get the economy going.

That was what the stories regarding chris Whitty said.

Social distancing is what we are in now, this isn't a lockdown so no social distancing will not last all year

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[shmmeee]

In full lockdown mode now, head has been shaved.

Haha. I went No 1 all over a couple of days ago for the first time in my life.

 

[shmmeee]

Yep B&Q are, possibly what you can buy as well
But I'm fairly sure you can buy online with delivery too
Fairly sure there are certain construction jobs which could be safely carried out .
Not sure of obtaining materials from wholesalers though

Taylor Wimpey starting up again soon I think.

 

[shmmeee]

That was what the stories regarding chris Whitty said.

Social distancing is what we are in now, this isn't a lockdown so no social distancing will not last all year

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This is a lockdown. There’s laws saying you can’t leave your house except for a few given reasons. That’s lockdown.

Social distancing is stuff like 2m apart when out, wearing masks, no contact deliveries, the stuff you can do without lockdown when life is carrying on as well as during lockdown.

 

[chiefdave]

I don't get why the police allow it if they are clamping down on people in country parks walking on their own?

I've got the Police Chiefs Council guidance for officers saved on my phone in case I get moaned at when I take the dog out (you're allowed to drive somewhere to walk the dog which people have been hassled over), and collected food from a takeaway is on the allowed list.

Its more that the lockdown has been badly implemented and mostly voluntary. We'll see more of this as more places decide to open back up.

 

[Nick]

I've got the Police Chiefs Council guidance for officers saved on my phone in case I get moaned at when I take the dog out (you're allowed to drive somewhere to walk the dog which people have been hassled over), and collected food from a takeaway is on the allowed list.

Its more that the lockdown has been badly implemented and mostly voluntary. We'll see more of this as more places decide to open back up.

Really? How the hell is that allowed?

 

[Sick Boy]

Haha. I went No 1 all over a couple of days ago for the first time in my life.

I used to have a number 1 back in my yoof but not done it for a while and quite like it. No idea what number mine is, I think a number 2, ended up doing it with a beard trimmer.

 

[djr8369]

That was what the stories regarding chris Whitty said.

Social distancing is what we are in now, this isn't a lockdown so no social distancing will not last all year

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You're playing with semantics.

Regardless of lockdown/social distancing definitions some measures will have to be kept in place to keep Ro at or below one. Yes, test and trace will help but we're never going to do that as effectively as China so some restrictions are likely to remain in place for sometime, as stated by Whitty and Sturgeon.

 

[Sick Boy]

This is a lockdown. There’s laws saying you can’t leave your house except for a few given reasons. That’s lockdown.

Social distancing is stuff like 2m apart when out, wearing masks, no contact deliveries, the stuff you can do without lockdown when life is carrying on as well as during lockdown.

It’s more of a restriction of movement than a lockdown in the UK.

 

[Sick Boy]

You're playing with semantics.

Regardless of lockdown/social distancing definitions some measures will have to be kept in place to keep Ro at or below one. Yes, test and trace will help but we're never going to do that as effectively as China so some restrictions are likely to remain in place for sometime, as stated by Whitty and Sturgeon.

I’m not expecting to be able to visit home until next year, very challenging with family over, especially with parents getting older and my nephews growing up.

 

[djr8369]

I’m not expecting to be able to visit home until next year, very challenging with family over, especially with parents getting older and my nephews growing up.

Apparently there's "no chance" measures will last that long so get your flights booked mate.

 

[shmmeee]

I see the CMO is talking about overall excess deaths, which would suggest by some estimates we are already at double the stated 20k “doing well” target.

I think that’s pretty conclusive evidence that my the governments own metrics we have not handled this “well”.

It’s more of a restriction of movement than a lockdown in the UK.

Potato potahto. It was widely reported as lockdown. Everyone calls it lockdown. It’s not particularly enforced, but it’s lockdown in our own way. When people say lockdown they mean the restrictions on their movement.

 

[Sick Boy]

Apparently there's "no chance" measures will last that long so get your flights booked mate.

I hope so but I the problem is going to be more from this end, I reckon. It seems like we are going to be restricted to staying with the region here for at least 2 months still, will get a weekend in Venice booked in though

 

[David O'Day]

It’s more of a restriction of movement than a lockdown in the UK.

Exactly

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[David O'Day]

You're playing with semantics.

Regardless of lockdown/social distancing definitions some measures will have to be kept in place to keep Ro at or below one. Yes, test and trace will help but we're never going to do that as effectively as China so some restrictions are likely to remain in place for sometime, as stated by Whitty and Sturgeon.

Whitty said they are taking into account the mental health effects of restricted movement.

I'm not arguing with you on something that is freely available if you read passed the headline.

Bye

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[Grendel]

Taylor Wimpey starting up again soon I think.

Start of May

 

[Ian1779]

Think it’s harsh on Starmer to be less trusted than Hancock (a serial liar) and Raab (a total fucktard) but it does lend to the point that the incumbent administration will always have an inflated popularity during a crisis.

 

[Astute]

I wasn't being arsey I just couldn't tell

Couldn't tell what?

I put a link up to how smokers look as though they have less chance of getting the virus. That is it.

Then your POV counts more than mine because you have a degree. Best thing is you don't know what qualifications I have as I don't keep mentioning them. I have never mentioned them once that I remember. And unlike yourself I have never said how much I earn either.

Is this now me being facetious?

 

[shmmeee]

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Think it’s harsh on Starmer to be less trusted than Hancock (a serial liar) and Raab (a total fucktard) but it does lend to the point that the incumbent administration will always have an inflated popularity during a crisis.

I trust both ahead of Johnson. That man wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him in the arse.

All a bit weird to trust politicians on CV anyway as opposed to medical people.