SkyBlue_Bear83
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Workplaces that are still open
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (11 Viewers)
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Workplaces that are still open
David O'Day
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Cool a wikipedia link and some press stories that like to paint a darker picture.
What reality are you in chap? Is it fluffy there.
That's 2 nil to me and you're back in the ignored list that you were first put o for your dribblings about the trust.
A fucking wiki link omfg
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David O'Day
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Still laughing
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David O'Day
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Moving on from that plum.
That big night in made me want to smash my telly
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That big night in made me want to smash my telly
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covmark
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You regularly make some decent points. Why do you feel the need to mix that with being a complete prick.
Seems you also put people on ignore who disagree with you. You obviously like having confirmation of your opinions, without being challenged. Sad as fuck that.
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SkyblueBazza
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This is a virus. It is completely indiscriminate as to who it will infect. It appears quite random (what we know so far) as to who it kills.
So to stop people dying from it we need: -
1. Something to fight (cure) it in those infected
2. Something to stop spreading (prevent) it:
a. A vaccine
b. More of what we are doing
Smart arse comments ain't going to help you a jot if it takes a hold on you.
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Astute
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Depends how it is handled.
About 500 people are employed where I work. Those who can work from home do. Thise with underlying health issues of any kind are off on full pay. We have people in sterilizing what can be touched 24 hours a day. Our temperature is checked each day on arrival to work before we get on site. Any slight symptoms and off for 14 days.
Don't know what is happening elsewhere though.
RegTheDonk
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Sounds pretty thorough and on those reports good to see an employer taking responsibility for staff wellbeing.
David O'Day
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What are you talking about fella?
It does have a pattern on who it kills.
But as we have already stated you can not make 60 million people stay in for 19 months. What will happen is eventually more and more people will risk breaking the restrictions and eventually they fall apart. People are irrational when it comes to decision making. There's been some good studies into this and it's effect in the 1918 flu pandemic.
At some stage the transmission rate will drop low enough that you can loosen the restrictions. To back this up you then have to be able to implement a comprehensive track and trace program. If the transmission rate gets to high again you then implement the restrictions again.
You then have to take into effect the economic damage that is happening to the economy. Like ot or not there will be trade off offs on this and medical reasoning. The cabinet is already split on this.
It will a decision made based on epidemiology, mental health, physical health, economic and behavioural sciences reasoning.
#mikedrop
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fernandopartridge
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There is legislation where flouting it leads to a fine:
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020
It is a lockdown albeit on the softer end of the scale.
David O'Day
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You still aren't locked down
fernandopartridge
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OK, on balance probably not in the fullest sense, but in comparison to established freedoms I am. I can't go and meet my mates for a pint. I can't travel to see my family in Coventry.
Astute
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Worked for them since the mid 90's. Even moved my wife and younger kids 200 miles away from the older kids to change plants. But giod employers are rare.
The wife's mother died boxing day. When the funeral was arranged the wife couldn't get a flight from France. So they let me have an extra 2 weeks off as I was already in France but due back at work before the funeral. They are also paying us extra money for working presently. We didn't even ask for it.
Had some right shit jobs before so appreciate it.
Really strange. He's arguing over the semantics of lockdown because if he doesn't his condescending reply to my original post has no merit. The ridiculous thing is I didn't even use the term "lockdown" I asked what social distancing measures might remain in place while opening the economy back up.
He's manufactured an argument from nothing, painted himself into a corner, and now can't retreat from it. Basically he's done a Grendel.
Wyken Sky Blue
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I don't class this as a full lockdown, more a semi-lockdown.
A full lockdown for me is what happened in Spain and Italy.
Sky Blue Pete
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And no one has become poorly?
shmmeee
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The rules are virtually the same: no non essential travel, non essential shops closed, gatherings banned, schools closed. The only real difference is that we haven’t tried to enforce it. But it’s a lockdown. Some are tighter than others but that doesn’t stop it being a lockdown. There are laws restricting when you’re allowed to leave your house that didn’t exist before. That’s lockdown. That’s what it is.
I don’t think chihuahuas count as full dogs, but they are.
shmmeee
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shmmeee
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He did the same with the graph. The guy has some serious issues around accepting when he’s wrong and is permanently angry. He’s basically a left wing Grendel with slightly more brains.
Flying Fokker
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My area:
Quieter nights, more people walking, people talking to each other from the other side of the road.
i liooked out yesterday and there were four different conversations going on. Add the families and people walking it was like a scene out of a musical!
The park is fairly busy with people who seem to be really happy at a distance of course. Dogs are the only ones breaking the social distancing rules.
Young people in groups....Don’t get it.
On the roads. Cyclists doing their MAMIL thing as normal. Family’s cycling. You’ve got to be out there to see that social distancing is working.
It must look different in London but surely most of the people are doing similar to us?
I work three days. Social distancing is nigh on impossible and I’ve had to go places I simply do not want to go to even at ‘Normal’ times.
Quieter nights, more people walking, people talking to each other from the other side of the road.
i liooked out yesterday and there were four different conversations going on. Add the families and people walking it was like a scene out of a musical!
The park is fairly busy with people who seem to be really happy at a distance of course. Dogs are the only ones breaking the social distancing rules.
Young people in groups....Don’t get it.
On the roads. Cyclists doing their MAMIL thing as normal. Family’s cycling. You’ve got to be out there to see that social distancing is working.
It must look different in London but surely most of the people are doing similar to us?
I work three days. Social distancing is nigh on impossible and I’ve had to go places I simply do not want to go to even at ‘Normal’ times.
skybluetony176
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You only have to read the words America’s thought leaders and you know it’s bullshit.
Wyken Sky Blue
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We haven't enforced it I agree.
The question is if we are classed as a lockdown compared to Spain and Italy why haven't we enforced it?
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My thoughts exactly. Certainly seem like two sides of the same coin.
It just screams libertarian "think tank" doesn't it?
Haven't watched it at all so might end up eating my words!
Sick Boy
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The rules are not virtually the same at all and are much stricter here and in Spain, and that is not taking enforecement into account.
I think it's all about the government strategy and is influenced by ideology.
The whole approach is very hands off. Trying to get the nation to do something while not mandating much of it or being too restrictive. They're very careful with language and terminology. There seems to be a lot of nudge theory going on. I fee like they are relying a lot on the public observing what's going on around the world and getting things from the media while they stick to saying "stay home, save the NHS, save lives" (but go to work if you can't work from home).
I think it's largely driven from the 'small state' mindset and not wanting to upset the back benchers.
What's different?
Sick Boy
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You can only go outside for exercise within 200 meters of your house (alone) - this has only been allowed within the last couple of weeks
No driving around together in cars and then you can only go to work or to food shopping if you do not have a supermarket within walking distance
No driving to do exercise
Wearing a mask and gloves in public at all times
Aside from the 200 m rule and the PPE (which is only because we don't have enough, the government are slowly changing position to reflect the stance of other nations - how many times has that happened during this crisis?) that's no different to here. It all comes under the "non-essential journeys" bit. So, we're not supposed to drive for exercise and people were fined for doing so in the last few weeks. There has been a bit of a walk back on that this week though.
See what some people are getting at? Essentially the same thing while not really enforcing it. In a way it's quite a smart move by the government but it's frustrating as people are confused and there is constant discussion in the media about what you can and can't do and sometimes shaming people for things that are tecnically allowed.
Sick Boy
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I see what you/others are getting at but the 200m rule is a big one though and seeing pictures of people running and exercising in public places is very, very different.
I can understand that mentally that makes a big difference. Since the "lockdown" started all I have done is driven to work, walk the dog a few blocks and walked to the local shop. Occasionally I will walk the dog to memorial park. So almost the same effect has been achieved by our government. The only thing I could do differently to that is drive to a supermarket or walk a bit further.
Sick Boy
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Yes but up until a couple of weeks ago it was not even possible to leave the house for exercise. It was possible to walk to the local shop but you had to carry a declaration form too.
Italian lessons: what we've learned from two months of home schooling
Quite an interesting essay on home schooling children in Italy. As somebody who mostly found school very restrictive and uninspiring but in later life have looked at education completely differently through doing an Open Uni degree I can relate to some of the comments on how education can be modernised and facilitated in ways that can bring much more out of personalities who don't fit well into the traditional school system.
Quite an interesting essay on home schooling children in Italy. As somebody who mostly found school very restrictive and uninspiring but in later life have looked at education completely differently through doing an Open Uni degree I can relate to some of the comments on how education can be modernised and facilitated in ways that can bring much more out of personalities who don't fit well into the traditional school system.
