Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (85 Viewers)

djr8369 · Apr 24, 2020

wingy said:
Again I wonder whether the media's incessant desire for exit plan info is diluting the message .
Just as the Gov't have suggested it may.

Why would it? Personally I think that is just an excuse from the government because they don't want to say yet. If people had an idea of an exit plan they'd have a clearer idea of what was going on and what the expectation was and wouldn't start to flount the rules.

Somebody is bound to retort that they're following the advice of social scientists or psycologists, and while I'm sure that's true, so is every other country and many are laying out what the exit strategy will be. It's "herd immunity" all over again.

tisza · Apr 24, 2020

skyblue1991 said:
We haven't enforced it I agree.

The question is if we are classed as a lockdown compared to Spain and Italy why haven't we enforced it?

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French have imposed 120million Euros worth of fines - so even with heavier fines they've got people obviously ignoring it.
Here it is compulsory in Budapest to wear face covering if on public transport, in taxis or in any shops/markets still open. Went out yesterday to supermarket (in a small mall area) and less than half were following that rule (even amongst the shop staff). Of course no police there to enforce

djr8369 · Apr 24, 2020

wingy said:
I'm going to show sympathy here and assume he's metaphorically meaning vaccine acts like a disinfectant.

I thought the same but still an idiotic comment that will probably see people drinking bleach.

CCFCSteve · Apr 24, 2020

wingy said:
Again I wonder whether the media's incessant desire for exit plan info is diluting the message .
Just as the Gov't have suggested it may.

100%. The government have been clear they will announce the release of the measures in due course. I can understand why. For example you say that small groups of can start interacting again from 4 May...nobody can tell me that people wouldn’t start meeting on the days before that date (‘what’s a few days matter’)

I think the media (tv, press and radio) have been pretty poor through this whole process, constant negatively. Im all for questioning decisions/bringing government to account but some of the slants on headlines and stories have been embarrassing. Like the lack of use of the nightingale, this is great news as it means standard hospitals have been able to operate within capacity, something we didn’t think would be possible even just a few weeks ago, but instead we heard from the Mail, Guardian etc ‘30 patients turned away’ (I’m guessing as specialist nurses hadn’t been redeployed to the Nightingale as there’s no need). FFS !

I overheard Farage saying it was only because of him and Piers Morgan that the government moved away from a herd immunity policy ?!! I mean, come on !

If we ever got into war you wouldn’t need foreign propaganda to damage the countrys morale any more, a majority of our own media would do the job for them !!!

Too many vested interests and biases

tisza · Apr 24, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The full quote shows he’s talking about injecting it into people, along with exposing UV radiation into affected body parts

been saying it since he got nominated there's something psychologically wrong with him.
From statements like this to his attitude to women.
His crazy statements not just limited to this particular issue.
Going to be some great (disturbing) reading once his Presidency is over and people start to tell the truth about his administration

clint van damme · Apr 24, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
100%. The government have been clear they will announce the release of the measures in due course. I can understand why. For example you say that small groups of can start interacting again from 4 May...nobody can tell me that people wouldn’t start meeting on the days before that date (‘what’s a few days matter’)

I think the media (tv, press and radio) have been pretty poor through this whole process, constant negatively. Im all for questioning decisions/bringing government to account but some of the slants on headlines and stories have been embarrassing. Like the lack of use of the nightingale, this is great news as it means standard hospitals have been able to operated within capacity, something we didn’t think would be possible, but instead we heard from the Mail, Guardian etc ‘30 patients turned away’ (I’m guessing as specialist nurses hadn’t been redeployed to the Nightingale as there’s no need). FFS !

I overheard Farage saying it was only because of him and Piers Morgan that the government moved away from a herd immunity policy ?!! I mean, come on !

If we ever got into war you wouldn’t need foreign propaganda to damage the countrys morale any more, a majority of our own media would do the job for them !!!

Too many vested interests and biases

I think the questions asked by Morgan have been reasonable and the fact he has struggled to get straight answers means it's been an on-going daily saga.
I'm not sure what Farage thinks he's contributed.

tisza · Apr 24, 2020

djr8369 said:
I thought the same but still an idiotic comment that will probably see people drinking bleach.

weren't there some deaths when people followed some of his earlier advice about taking one of the drugs (possibly the anti-malarial one)

Nick · Apr 24, 2020

It has always been about vested interests, you can tell how the mainstream media have their targets every day and things to go after.

It was clear at the start with pubs, everybody was a murdering idiot who went to the pub for example. Even now with a couple who go for a walk in the middle of nowhere are made out to be horrible people but as long as you are clapping the NHS like you are told and filming yourself then you can do whatever you want.

Nick · Apr 24, 2020

clint van damme said:
I think the questions asked by Morgan have been reasonable and the fact he has struggled to get straight answers means it's been an on-going daily saga.
I'm not sure what Farage thinks he's contributed.

I think he struggles because of the way he goes about it. The bloke just shouts and interrupts and pushes what he wants to.

The one the other day, a woman's video connection was lagging badly so he would say something and she was still reacting to his previous comment.

clint van damme · Apr 24, 2020

Nick said:
I think he struggles because of the way he goes about it. The bloke just shouts and interrupts and pushes what he wants to.

The one the other day, a woman's video connection was lagging badly so he would say something and she was still reacting to his previous comment.

not really, if you ask a government minister why they've missed a previously stated target or how many people are we testing I think it's reasonable to expect an answer which they've all struggled to provide.
Kier Starmer did a similar thing in PMQs and got a lot of praise for it.
Raab did in PMQs what every minister Morgan has had on has done, tried to duck the question asked by answering a question that wasn't asked.
They are still insisting that they will increase to 100,000 tests a day by the end of the month, that's an increase of 60,000 per day in 6 days.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2020

tisza said:
been saying it since he got nominated there's something psychologically wrong with him.
From statements like this to his attitude to women.
His crazy statements not just limited to this particular issue.
Going to be some great (disturbing) reading once his Presidency is over and people start to tell the truth about his administration

He’s a case study of a narcissist and in his attempt to impress whoever his audience is he will say and do whatever he thinks will work. There he’s with his scientific advisers so he goes on about things he has no idea about and hopes they will agree.

wingy · Apr 24, 2020

tisza said:
been saying it since he got nominated there's something psychologically wrong with him.
From statements like this to his attitude to women.
His crazy statements not just limited to this particular issue.
Going to be some great (disturbing) reading once his Presidency is over and people start to tell the truth about his administration

What's really disturbing is those (and the quantity) willingly standing with him in this venture.
It's easy to see how Hitler turned Germany into a mental 'State’
The technique is the same.

CCFCSteve · Apr 24, 2020

clint van damme said:
I think the questions asked by Morgan have been reasonable and the fact he has struggled to get straight answers means it's been an on-going daily saga.
I'm not sure what Farage thinks he's contributed.

To be fair Piers Morgan has asked some valid/reasonable questions which need to be asked but in these type of situations there’s got to be balance for wider public’s mental health. i believe the media has got the balance wrong and as a whole appear to prefer to focus on every last drop of negative news rather than the positive bits (as the nightingale example indicates even turning what is potentially an underlying good news story into a negative one - I think the guardian article had two or three separate sources at the bottom saying it was good that the nightingale hadn’t had to be used - sensationalist, negative headline though)

Sky_Blue_Daz · Apr 24, 2020

Working from home today , I might knock off early.

clint van damme · Apr 24, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
To be fair Piers Morgan has asked some valid/reasonable questions which need to be asked but in these type of situations there’s got to be balance for wider public’s mental health. i believe the media has got the balance wrong and as a whole appear to prefer to focus on every last drop of negative news rather than the positive bits (as the nightingale example indicates even turning what is potentially an underlying good news story into a negative one - I think the guardian article had two or three separate sources at the bottom saying it was good that the nightingale hadn’t had to be used - sensationalist, negative headline though)

it was a great effort to get Nightingale up and running, and it's great news that we may not have to use it. But it just means that people are dying in their thousands, just not as many thousands as we thought they might. Not really a goods news story!

Nick · Apr 24, 2020

clint van damme said:
not really, if you ask a government minister why they've missed a previously stated target or how many people are we testing I think it's reasonable to expect an answer which they've all struggled to provide.
Kier Starmer did a similar thing in PMQs and got a lot of praise for it.
Raab did in PMQs what every minister Morgan has had on has done, tried to duck the question asked by answering a question that wasn't asked.
They are still insisting that they will increase to 100,000 tests a day by the end of the month, that's an increase of 60,000 per day in 6 days.

That's why it's the way he goes about it. It usually helps to give them a few seconds to reply before he starts shouting over them or asking people who aren't responsible for testing.

Of course, ask questions but it's asking the right person the right way.

The issue is that he gets people lapping it up and making him a hero, the same as when he was going off about how everybody going to the pub is an idiot while he still had a makeup team looking after him in the mornings.

Will be interesting to see if he says much about people gathering on the bridge and all of the forgetting of social distancing on Thursdays, I doubt he will though because it doesn't get everybody thinking the world is about to end.

His whole agenda has been to get people worried and in a frenzy.

djr8369 · Apr 24, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Like the lack of use of the nightingale, this is great news as it means standard hospitals have been able to operate within capacity, something we didn’t think would be possible even just a few weeks ago, but instead we heard from the Mail, Guardian etc ‘30 patients turned away’ (I’m guessing as specialist nurses hadn’t been redeployed to the Nightingale as there’s no need). FFS !

From what I understand they were turned away due to a lack of staff. Why send patients there if there was no need to? It was a great achievement to get them built and great we didn't go over capacity but something seems to have gone wrong with the logistics/planning since then.

CCFCSteve · Apr 24, 2020

clint van damme said:
it was a great effort to get Nightingale up and running, and it's great news that we may not have to use it. But it just means that people are dying in their thousands, just not as many thousands as we thought they might. Not really a goods news story!

Depends on your viewpoint I guess mate ! I see that as potentially thousands of lives that could’ve been seriously ill/died that haven’t.

Id definitely still argue that the negative headline/story run by The guardian and the Mail (potentially others) was in my view unnecessary

Sick Boy · Apr 24, 2020

Trump’s press briefings are actually insane. I genuinely find it hard to believe any sane person would actually vote for him. What’s with the strange low and soft patronising voice he does when someone criticised him all about?!

CCFCSteve · Apr 24, 2020

Sky_Blue_Daz said:
Working from home today , I might knock off early.

Me too....not even started yet !

clint van damme · Apr 24, 2020

Nick said:
That's why it's the way he goes about it. It usually helps to give them a few seconds to reply before he starts shouting over them or asking people who aren't responsible for testing.

Of course, ask questions but it's asking the right person the right way.

The issue is that he gets people lapping it up and making him a hero, the same as when he was going off about how everybody going to the pub is an idiot while he still had a makeup team looking after him in the mornings.

Will be interesting to see if he says much about people gathering on the bridge and all of the forgetting of social distancing on Thursdays, I doubt he will though because it doesn't get everybody thinking the world is about to end.

His whole agenda has been to get people worried and in a frenzy.

he's only resorted to shouting over them when they've repeatedly refused to answer a simple question or continually answered the wrong question. I know becasue I've watched it most mornings unfortunaltey!
Ridiculous to say his whole agenda is to get people worked up, if the government issue statements giving deadlines and they fail to meet them they need calling out, that's what journalism is. I think people have lost sight of that given the easy ride they get from the likes of Kussenberg.

And he's repeatedly called people out for gathering when they shouldn't including those on Westminster bridge but if you think that is the same level of issue as mismanaging this crisis you're mistaken.

I say this as someone who is no fan of Morgan, (I was banned from Twitter because of him!)

Sick Boy · Apr 24, 2020

Interesting but moving video, worth a watch
Lockdown's heavy toll on Italy's mental health

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 24, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Me too....not even started yet !

Finding it hard to motivate myself today, admittedly!

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 24, 2020

clint van damme said:
(I was banned from Twitter because of him!)

That deserves a story...

CCFCSteve · Apr 24, 2020

djr8369 said:
From what I understand they were turned away due to a lack of staff. Why send patients there if there was no need to? It was a great achievement to get them built and great we didn't go over capacity but something seems to have gone wrong with the logistics/planning since then.

Agree that there must’ve been an error to send them there but if you think about it youre not going to have a load of specialist ICU nurses just waiting around for potential overflow patients to come to the nightingale. They are likely to have to be called in or deployed from other hospitals

Im not doubting it happened but for me it was a relatively minor negative with a far stronger positive underlying story. Maybe that’s just how I view stuff though

Nick · Apr 24, 2020

clint van damme said:
he's only resorted to shouting over them when they've repeatedly refused to answer a simple question or continually answered the wrong question. I know becasue I've watched it most mornings unfortunaltey!
Ridiculous to say his whole agenda is to get people worked up, if the government issue statements giving deadlines and they fail to meet them they need calling out, that's what journalism is. I think people have lost sight of that given the easy ride they get from the likes of Kussenberg.

And he's repeatedly called people out for gathering when they shouldn't including those on Westminster bridge but if you think that is the same level of issue as mismanaging this crisis you're mistaken.

I say this as someone who is no fan of Morgan, (I was banned from Twitter because of him!)

I wasn't comparing the bridge to the government but more how he was witchhunting somebody for going for a pint. He was trying to push mass hysteria from the start, again while he still had a makeup artist looking after him.....

I watched one the other morning and he was straight in shouting before they could give him an answer. It would be annoying at the best of times but over videolink it's even harder. The woman who had the lag was a good example.

I don't doubt that MPs are slimey pricks, the way he goes about things to try and get hero status isn't really the right way.

wingy · Apr 24, 2020

To fp and Steve's point in the HMRC thread media has made suggestion that Andrew Landsley initiated changes that have impacted areas of response.

clint van damme · Apr 24, 2020

Nick said:
I wasn't comparing the bridge to the government but more how he was witchhunting somebody for going for a pint. He was trying to push mass hysteria from the start, again while he still had a makeup artist looking after him.....

I watched one the other morning and he was straight in shouting before they could give him an answer. It would be annoying at the best of times but over videolink it's even harder. The woman who had the lag was a good example.

I don't doubt that MPs are slimey pricks, the way he goes about things to try and get hero status isn't really the right way.

the lag issue has been happening loads. Happening regularly on 5Live when people are just talking, they were saying it was something to do with the lines they were using which they wouldn't normally use.
I think Morgan has been great throughout this.
At the end of the day, if he asks you how many people have been tested and you answer him he doesn't need to keep asking.
If you hit the targets you yourself set, he doesn't need to keep calling you out. If the government had hit their stated targets on PPE and testing no one would be able to take them to task and that's the big story in all of this, their continued failure.

CCFCSteve · Apr 24, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Interesting but moving video, worth a watch
Lockdown's heavy toll on Italy's mental health

Just watched it, truly heartbreaking. As the article states the damage this virus is doing is way beyond the recorded cases/deaths

hope you and your family are ok mate

CCFCSteve · Apr 24, 2020

wingy said:
To fp and Steve's point in the HMRC thread media has made suggestion that Andrew Landsley initiated changes that have impacted areas of response.

I have him alongside Grayling in the fucking useless category !

wingy · Apr 24, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
I have him alongside Grayling in the fucking useless category !

OMG he was actually on the news the other night

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2020

I would test 100,000 staff
And I would test 100,000 more
Just to be the man who
Picked a number that would impress you all

Nick · Apr 24, 2020

clint van damme said:
the lag issue has been happening loads. Happening regularly on 5Live when people are just talking, they were saying it was something to do with the lines they were using which they wouldn't normally use.
I think Morgan has been great throughout this.
At the end of the day, if he asks you how many people have been tested and you answer him he doesn't need to keep asking.
If you hit the targets you yourself set, he doesn't need to keep calling you out. If the government had hit their stated targets on PPE and testing no one would be able to take them to task and that's the big story in all of this, their continued failure.

Must admit, I haven't seen the one about the asking about test numbers.

The issue I have is more his attitude and demeanour towards them, granted I am not an MP and wouldn't be one but if somebody started giving it loads without letting me answer then I wouldn't be that inclined to take them seriously and debate with them. It is like when the club has a press conference and people just start shouting rather than asking.

Of course there are people failing but if you watch he goes day to day with his new issues and agenda, one day it will be test numbers and the next something else. The same as one day it was people going to the pub, the next it was people going for walks etc.

Looking at his social media he went into overdrive about people going for a pint but no mention about people on the bridge, what did he say about them?

eastwoodsdustman · Apr 24, 2020

Anyone else noticed people driving like wankers because the roads are quieter? Had two pass me on my way to work on Monday. They were racing on the M1 and doing at least 120mph and then last night I was coming back from my evening bike ride and an Audi s4( surprise surprise) came racing round the ambulance only entrance the wrong way at the hospital sliding as he went and very nearly hitting 2 parked vehicles and me in the process.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2020

Nick said:
Must admit, I haven't seen the one about the asking about test numbers.

The issue I have is more his attitude and demeanour towards them, granted I am not an MP and wouldn't be one but if somebody started giving it loads without letting me answer then I wouldn't be that inclined to take them seriously and debate with them. It is like when the club has a press conference and people just start shouting rather than asking.

Of course there are people failing but if you watch he goes day to day with his new issues and agenda, one day it will be test numbers and the next something else. The same as one day it was people going to the pub, the next it was people going for walks etc.

Looking at his social media he went into overdrive about people going for a pint but no mention about people on the bridge, what did he say about them?

What I really wish is that they’d have scientifically or medically minded people asking such questions as people like Kuenssberg are just out for ‘going viral’ if you’ll pardon the pun

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