Exactly. I picked up my grans death certificate a couple of years ago and it talked about heart failure and other organ failure brought on by sepsis but listed cause of death as sepsis.It isn't a good guess is it? They will still base on it on the symptoms of the deceased.
Death certificates have more than one reason on you know as there is often no single cause of death.
What was wrong with it? He’s rallying the country to keep up the lockdown, saying how it’s working, saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2.....Yet people like you will still moan because you don’t like the manYou must have just watched something very different to what was on my TV.
At least Bigi won us a cup final to be fair.Erm okay?
What was wrong with it? He’s rallying the country to keep up the lockdown, saying how it’s working, saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2.....Yet people like you will still moan because you don’t like the man
Excellent. I'll watch it on catchup to find out what this plan is.saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2
But I don’t understand what he said that was bad in that speech which Dave seemed to emphasiseOr perhaps because we have one of the highest per capita death rates in the world.
He obviously hasn’t revealed what it is yet...Excellent. I'll watch it on catchup to find out what this plan is.
Eh? Why's it obvious?He obviously hasn’t revealed what it is yet...
In that way it's ok good to have it there just in case but why not use it anyway? If somebody has covid but isn't going to die, send them there as a halfway house before they go home and free up a bed.
Why is any criticism of Johnson or the government met with something like 'you don't like the man' rather than an actual response to the criticism?What was wrong with it? He’s rallying the country to keep up the lockdown, saying how it’s working, saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2.....Yet people like you will still moan because you don’t like the man
They seem to have a published plan for every level alsoInteresting that the plan for easing restrictions and starting the move towards ending lockdown sees them move to something similar to what we are terming lockdown. Shows how relaxed our restrictions are compared to others.
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Yeah alright nick, you expecting some sort of prize for revealing how funny you are?
Why not? New Zealand published there’s 2 weeks ago. Bloody socialists with their forward planning and preparations.He obviously hasn’t revealed what it is yet...
What was wrong with it? He’s rallying the country to keep up the lockdown, saying how it’s working, saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2.....Yet people like you will still moan because you don’t like the man
Also the current restrictions are not sustainable for health, behavioral or economic reasons. People are already starting to crack.
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Not really - it seems to be generally accepted that care home deaths would likely double the hospital confirmed deaths.
More scaremongering, plucking numbers out of the air.
So people who die in a care home can't be put down as COVID as a reason?Not really - it seems to be generally accepted that care home deaths would likely double the hospital confirmed deaths.
Piers Morgan has been the biggest twat going in this pandemic, with all his scaremongering he should be ashamedNot really - it seems to be generally accepted that care home deaths would likely double the hospital confirmed deaths.
Man calling out government should be ashamed.... standard.Piers Morgan has been the biggest twat going in this pandemic, with all his scaremongering he should be ashamed
So people who die in a care home can't be put down as COVID as a reason?
Are Germany using exactly the same reporting and stats as us in terms of what is a COVID death? (Genuine question and not sarcasm!)
Not really down to care home death not being recorded correctly, its the lag (which is weeks) in the deaths being registered and the ONS publishing the figures.So people who die in a care home can't be put down as COVID as a reason?
Are Germany using exactly the same reporting and stats as us in terms of what is a COVID death? (Genuine question and not sarcasm!)
I don’t know about other countries - may very much depend on how/where they test/trace/track. We as a country have not done adequte testing or tracking of the disease, especially in care homes.
It’s not scaremongering is it to suggest that a virus that has killed over 20K in hospital alone wouldn’t have a similarly destructive effect on places filled with vulnerable and at risk people with little or no access to any kind of medical care.
Not really down to care home death not being recorded correctly, its the lag (which is weeks) in the deaths being registered and the ONS publishing the figures.
The FT aren't plucking figures out of thin air, they're looking at the existing published data and then using that to model the numbers for the more recent period where the data is not yet available. The person behind this, Chris Giles, has said several times on twitter that they are deliberately being conservative with their modelling to avoid panicking people with a large number that turns out to be too high.
There is a methodology behind it which is explained here:
UK coronavirus deaths more than double official figure, according to FT study | Free to read
or a shorter explanation in this thread:
This is, IMO, the best option. Instead of looking at what has been recorded as coronavirus deaths look at excess mortality.The thing is, how can we compare with Germany for example if they are using different reporting?
This is, IMO, the best option. Instead of looking at what has been recorded as coronavirus deaths look at excess mortality.
Agreed.This is, IMO, the best option. Instead of looking at what has been recorded as coronavirus deaths look at excess mortality.
On an apolitical note, I can kind of understand why you might not publish it so people don't start enacting it before the actual date.
I can also see why you might want to put it out there, however, so that you can get feedback on how people respond to the ideas.
Personally... I'd have thought the best thing is to see how any lifting of restraints goes in places like Italy before jumping ourselves. If it goes well, we follow. if badly...
The thing is that stats can easily be manipulated.
For example if Germany (I don't know how they are reporting) are only reporting people who have been confirmed to die of Corona and tested as dead but they are testing every Tom, Dick and Harry then their death rate will be low and recovery high. For example if they tested everybody who had a slight cold symptom whereas if we only tested if they were on life support in hospital then the figures will be massively different on recovert.
If you compare death rate versus ‘tested’ and death rate versus ‘population size’ - we are shit in every regard. It’s not about a manipulation of statistics (although I understand your point) it’s the fact that in any measure we’ve totally fucked it... and as yet there doesn’t appear to be any plan of how to get on top of it.
Coming out of lockdown shouldn’t even be an agenda item right now.
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