Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (9 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

I’ve been critical over the governments respond to this, the PPE shortages, the shit amount of tests done before the last few days......but I’m trying to be positive as things seem to be falling here and elsewhere, everything doesn’t have to be so negative all the time

facts though, what is the point in telling lies to create false positivity and fool yourself?

 

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[SkyBlueDom26]

facts though, what is the point in telling lies to create false positivity and fool yourself?

WHAT LIES??????!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

WHAT LIES??????!

how about you being adamant that 122,000 tests were completed, just for a start.

 

[Astute]

I'm interested to know more detail of how you believe the response to Covid-19 to be the fault of Labour?

This thread isn't a party political broadcast?

Show where I have said any of it is the fault of Labour. Yet look how many and who agree with your post.

 

[Astute]

Again for a Labour supporter you seem very quick to jump on Labour's back.

Fact is we did the Operation Cygnus in 2016 that highlighted these deficiencies and never acted upon them. At what point has Labour been in control since them to rectify the situation?

Personally I reckon if Labour had been in we'd have still not sorted out the shortfall and been in the same position as we are now. But we can never know. So all we can criticise is those that have had the opportunity and that is the Tories.

And yet again show where I have jumped on Labour.

Now try the truth. Several on here have had a go at the Tories not stockpiling medical equipment needed for a time like this in the last 10 years. I stated (Which is 100% the truth) that the Tories have had a lot more than 10 years and there have also been Labour governments that haven't done the stockpiling.

So what we do is ignore the Tory bit and say I am blaming Labour.

There hadn't been a pandemic for over 100 years. Would you like to disprove this?

Should we have warehouses all over the UK holding millions of items that need renewing every few years as would be past their use by date? Easy to say after the event.

 

[wingy]

What's with this 12 strong scientific committee of Sir Dave King .
Is it derived on some sort of party political line?
A genuine attempt to better the advice or a tacit method to expose political interference either at ministerial or civil servant level of the scientific direction.
Or simply a delinquent stamp of the feet as you are now out of the loop?
And my God the messages are getting very mixed.

 

[skybluetony176]

How are we hiding away from it??? Contact tracing, lots more testing by the end of this month providing we do another 3 weeks lockdown we’ll have got it under control like Spain and Italy

We’ve already failed to get it under control like Spain and Italy. We had a two week head start and them to make the mistakes to learn from for us. It’s absolute abject failure from the British government. The death toll doesn’t lie.

 

[wingy]

Public's trust in science at risk, warns former No 10 adviser

I'm with him on masks.

 

[skybluetony176]

We have been under lockdown and it’s working? Yeah it hasn’t been as strict as other countries but we’ve still flattened the curve, will be interesting to see how we look in 2 weeks hopefully we’re doing as well as Spain and Italy now are

We’ll never do as well as Spain and Italy. Which is a shameful failure. They were the Guinea Pigs for Europe and we should have learnt from their mistakes and we didn’t. Hence the death toll.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well if you look at where they were a few weeks ago to where they are now, all the work locking down has paid off! Stop trying to be a smart arse you bellend

Their lockdown has paid off. Ours has failed as it came too late and the advice has been too wishy washy. Again, the death toll doesn’t lie.

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah they are reopening and we still aren't really seeing out death rates or infection rates come done and we had to lie to hit the one target we had.

Dom we have fucked this you cretin

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[skybluetony176]

I see Piers Morgan has “taken one for the team”. Clap for Piers 8 O’clock tomorrow morning.

 

[clint van damme]

What's with this 12 strong scientific committee of Sir Dave King .
Is it derived on some sort of party political line?
A genuine attempt to better the advice or a tacit method to expose political interference either at ministerial or civil servant level of the scientific direction.
Or simply a delinquent stamp of the feet as you are now out of the loop?
And my God the messages are getting very mixed.

Claims to be independent but does sound a bit like they've thrown a strop because they're not happy with SAGE - perhaps they're justified?

 

[David O'Day]

Defence Secretary trying to be the hard man on The Kay Burley show and saying they will decided when people go back fo work.

Apart from the places that didn't shut and they places that are reopening now.

Cretin

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[Nick]

Larger numbers of deaths here today are due to around 280 being included in the figures but are actually from last month.

Surely that just shows that numbers can be fiddled?

 

[wingy]

Some poll suggesting only 1 in 5 want to see things opening back up .
Like schools ,are they a child minding service?

 

[tisza]

Their lockdown has paid off. Ours has failed as it came too late and the advice has been too wishy washy. Again, the death toll doesn’t lie.

Problem is weak leadership/govt. Most other countries have told people what they have to do and backed it up with proper enforcement measures/deterrents.
And people have accepted it in general.

Aren't UK littering fines bigger than the virus-related fines?
Tell someone it's a 300 or 3000 pound fine and they'll take it seriously.
Police wanting to concentrate on advising rather than enforcing. Poor.
In emergencies like this people expect the Govt to be authoritarian - not worrying about libertarian principles etc

 

[shmmeee]

[QUOTE="wingy, post: 1990719, member: 2518]
Like schools ,are they a child minding service?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Always have been.

 

[skybluetony176]

What's with this 12 strong scientific committee of Sir Dave King .

Clearly just a bunch of moaning lefties who hate their country and would rather live in Italy. Vegan lesbians too. Probably.

In all seriousness though it will be interesting to hear what they have to say. First press conference today I believe. Probably just be a launch though at a guess to explain who they are, who is involved, what they hope to achieve etc.

 

[Nick]

Yes. Always have been.

Nothing better than dropping the kids off and being in spoons for 9.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Well if you look at where they were a few weeks ago to where they are now, all the work locking down has paid off! Stop trying to be a smart arse you bellend

The 'good result' for deaths was 20k and under. Are we not approaching 50% above that now? Would you really call that hard work paying off?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Some poll suggesting only 1 in 5 want to see things opening back up .
Like schools ,are they a child minding service?

They can’t be like a child minding service the hours are to short and the holidays to long.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Clearly just a bunch of moaning lefties who hate their country and would rather live in Italy. Vegan lesbians too. Probably.

In all seriousness though it will be interesting to hear what they have to say. First press conference today I believe. Probably just be a launch though at a guess to explain who they are, who is involved, what they hope to achieve etc.

It’s good of them to appear towards the end of things with ideas, maybe should have stood up at the start.

 

[wingy]

It’s good of them to appear towards the end of things with ideas, maybe should have stood up at the start.

They might have IDK

Maybe no one gave them any oxygen then ?

 

[wingy]

It’s good of them to appear towards the end of things with ideas, maybe should have stood up at the start.

How are you and your wife TGP?
Not too bad I hope .
Have you both had your results back?

 

[Sick Boy]

Surely that just shows that numbers can be fiddled?

All numbers around the globe are not going to be 100% accurate. It’s better than being kept completely in the dark though.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

How are you and your wife TGP?
Not too bad I hope .
Have you both had your results back?

Thanks for asking.

No neither of us have had them back, my wife’s are due today and mine were due on Saturday, I sort of hope I have had it as I woke up this morning pretty fresh after feeling ill for the last few days.

 

[wingy]

One of his mantras seems to be that without full transparency there's a fear that the scientists on sage will get thrown under the bus further down the line .

Edit:- I think Jenny is shady as f**k who's opinion could change with the weather.

 

[wingy]

Thanks for asking.

No neither of us have had them back, my wife’s are due today and mine were due on Saturday, I sort of hope I have had it as I woke up this morning pretty fresh after feeling ill for the last few days.

That would be great .
Can't be easy looking after the nippers if you're both rough at the same time .

 

[David O'Day]

Some poll suggesting only 1 in 5 want to see things opening back up .
Like schools ,are they a child minding service?

The numbers behind that are more interesting 40 odd percent happy to adhere to restrictions and 40 odd percent adhering but struggling. These folk are likely in some way to break the restrictions the longer thos goes on.

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

That would be great .
Can't be easy looking after the nippers if you're both rough at the same time .

They have been pretty good and my wife just battles through I have been very manly about it and hidden in bed.

 

[wingy]

The numbers behind that are more interesting 40 odd percent happy to adhere to restrictions and 40 odd percent adhering but struggling. These folk are likely in some way to break the restrictions the longer thos goes on.

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Interesting.
The narrative is changing .
Like over seventies .
Classification of illness requiring shielding etc.
Presented as push back / concern from affected sector's ,or is it led from inside to switch behaviours back ?

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

The politics of envy.
I've never come across someone as vile and angry as this David arsehole.

Mature as ever.

 

[David O'Day]

Mature as ever.

He's a charmer still if the fella who talked about drowning people thinks I'm vile I'm probably in the right on this one.

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[David O'Day]

Interesting.
The narrative is changing .
Like over seventies .
Classification of illness requiring shielding etc.
Presented as push back / concern from affected sector's ,or is it led from inside to switch behaviours back ?

London road was busier earlier as I went down it.



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