Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[Ian1779]

Ok heres a left-field far-out crazy prediction for you all.... Trump will use a 2nd wave lockdown to postpone elections if the polling is not in his favour....

Don’t think that’s crazy to be honest. I still think he will win though.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I hope - another 3 weeks of lockdown.

There might then be some kind of gradual return.. not sure which sector you begin in though.

There is talk about schools starting to re-open which is ludicrous IMO. Impossible to socially distance in them and would probably be front and centre in causing another wave and possible further lockdowns. Trouble is you have clowns like Toby Young ‘sharing’ his expertise with the government.... for the sake of our kids and our health this might be the one time teaching unions get a bit more credit when they try and block this.

I have seen talk of doing both remote and in school teaching which sounds like total insanity

 

[tisza]

You live in Hungary right? I'm supposed to be going to Budapest on 12th June. Do you think there is any chance?

As for your points, I totally agree. I have been observing flight radar regularly and we have flights coming in from all sorts of places every day without checking the passengers.

It makes lockdown entirely pointless.

At the moment no chance as the 14 day self-quarantining is the law. ( just had the police a few doors down checking someone). Also only Hungarians and those EU citizens with residency allowed in atm.
But we'll learn more next week on the easing but they've always said we're 3-4 weeks behind most of Europe. Budapest remains under stricter controls than the rest of the country.
I'll keep you updated if the situation improves.

 

[shmmeee]

Florida is a key one. If he continues to record badly there and the other bigger swing states he’s got a problem - no big rallies will hamper him and this virus will still be big headlines by then I’d have thought. Second lockdown and delayed election being strategised probably

Yeah agreed. He will want to be holding rallies. Not sure how he can balance the “lockdown is overkill FREEDOM!!” Of his supporters with “virus too serious must postpone election”, but logic and reason never been a barrier with his support before.

 

[shmmeee]

Incredible if a dementia patient who hides away gets in but they’re both awful candidates

You’re so salty about Bernie not getting the nomination.

 

[shmmeee]

I hope - another 3 weeks of lockdown.

There might then be some kind of gradual return.. not sure which sector you begin in though.

There is talk about schools starting to re-open which is ludicrous IMO. Impossible to socially distance in them and would probably be front and centre in causing another wave and possible further lockdowns. Trouble is you have clowns like Toby Young ‘sharing’ his expertise with the government.... for the sake of our kids and our health this might be the one time teaching unions get a bit more credit when they try and block this.

Ive only seen talk of Y6 going back in June. I don’t expect full school before September but who knows?

 

[wingy]

Don’t think that’s crazy to be honest. I still think he will win though.

IDK .
Would be incredible to send everyone to work but not hold an election

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You’re so salty about Bernie not getting the nomination.

Yeah I’m not gonna lie. He caved way too easily and it seems his supporters aren’t following him to fall in line this time. Biden said he would veto single payer healthcare even if all he had to do was sign his name-madness

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You live in Hungary right? I'm supposed to be going to Budapest on 12th June. Do you think there is any chance?

As for your points, I totally agree. I have been observing flight radar regularly and we have flights coming in from all sorts of places every day without checking the passengers.

It makes lockdown entirely pointless.

We never made any effort at all to do anything with flights- they were coming in from all the worst hit places for the entire duration with no checks at all, and people were allowed to continue onto London, Birmingham- everywhere. This was of course denied on here by the usual suspects, but its true.

Then people wonder why we are the worst in Europe- it doesn't take a genius does it when you add this to the list of incompetent failures.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Out of interest, how many of those are passenger flights, as opposed to flights importing goods?

(Genuine question, no motive to ask!)

Lots of passenger flights, from all over the place. No controls.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I think this is the single reason why we are having so many issues.

Why on earth are we in lockdown when we have flights coming in from around the world without anyone being checked? It's an absolute joke.

I've been on flight radar 24 a lot and there are flights coming in from the USA, Italy and China every day.

Out of interest, how many of those are passenger flights, as opposed to flights importing goods?

(Genuine question, no motive to ask!)

The news last night (while covering the Air Lingus story) stated a current daily average of 60 passenger flights into LHR down from 600 in February......YES, that was 600 in february FFS!

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

If you look on the flight tracker it tells you what the flight is

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

We never made any effort at all to do anything with flights- they were coming in from all the worst hit places for the entire duration with no checks at all, and people were allowed to continue onto London, Birmingham- everywhere. This was of course denied on here by the usual suspects, but its true.

Then people wonder why we are the worst in Europe- it doesn't take a genius does it when you add this to the list of incompetent failures.

Spot on with everything you say.

It just goes to show having borders is a good thing, even if they are relaxed most of the time. We should have locked the gates months ago and we still haven't even properly done that.

What's the point in extracting people from Wuhan and placing them in isolation after landing at an air base, when you can get a flight from the next city in China and just walk freely around the streets of the UK the next day.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Out of interest, how many of those are passenger flights, as opposed to flights importing goods?

(Genuine question, no motive to ask!)

Typically between 40-50%ish of passenger planes are actually used for transporting freight as well. So although this figure would inevitably be down due to the pandemic, I'd imagine a fair amount of freight will continue to be transported in the underbelly of the passenger flights that are still operating.

Those coming out of China will be mostly freight I presume.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Spot on with everything you say.

It just goes to show having borders is a good thing, even if they are relaxed most of the time. We should have locked the gates months ago and we still haven't even properly done that.

What's the point in extracting people from Wuhan and placing them in isolation after landing at an air base, when you can get a flight from the next city in China and just walk freely around the streets of the UK the next day.

tbh, I'm still sympathetic to the original startup of this. Having decided to go into lockdown however, it's pointless not doing it everywhere, and borders seem entirely logical as a place to check people! There's no excuse for just letting free movement through an airport, when I'm not allowed free movement to the neighbouring town!

 

[shmmeee]

In shielding hospitals from COVID-19, Britain left the weakest exposed

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There are currently 11 aircraft airborne right now which are bound for Heathrow from China alone.

All passenger aircraft carrying between 300-600 passengers.

Those planes will land and the passengers will be free to walk straight into society.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Typically between 40-50%ish of passenger planes are actually used for transporting freight as well. So although this figure would inevitably be down due to the pandemic, I'd imagine a fair amount of freight will continue to be transported in the underbelly of the passenger flights that are still operating.

Those coming out of China will be mostly freight I presume.

Sadly, they are not.

I just checked all current airborne flights into Heathrow in the world right now. Nearly all of them are passenger flights which are scheduled, including the ones coming from China.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That wouldn't surprise me totally but in reality pandora's box was open when we left our borders open too long. I suppose that includes people returning from Italy etc, but it will also largely be citizens from those countries too.

Have a look on flight radar 24. There are still flights from China coming into Heathrow daily.

Most UK airports have almost no flights but there are still quite a few coming into LHR.

People only need to worry about the ones going the other way

 

[Ring Of Steel]

An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html

"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)

Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.

Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Sadly, they are not.

I just checked all current airborne flights into Heathrow in the world right now. Nearly all of them are passenger flights which are scheduled, including the ones coming from China.

You are right. I looked regularly probably a month ago and there were live arrivals from Madrid, Rome, loads from New York, China- all day every day. Then when the passengers get to LHR they just walk out onto the street with no checks or screening whatsoever. I stopped looking as it was obvious that deliberate or not, nothing was being done whatsoever to take precautions.

 

[shmmeee]

So, with Ferguson being forced to resign and Hancock saying it’s a matter for the police when can we expect Robert Jenrick to resign and the police to visit Stanley Johnson?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html

"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)

Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.

Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.

And if you want to link it to politics etc- here it is. We got it wrong at the start. And that is the very time that The Spectator, The Telegraph etc along with some people on here, the brexit-obsessed government & 'scientific experts' were all sneering about how the "Europeans have got it wrong", looking down their noses at Italy, slagging off the Chinese, telling everyone that 'Britain Knows Best' and pushing an isolationist approach. Look how fucking wrong they were.

Turns out that Britain (for clarity, the people running Britain) don't know best, and the decisions made by these people, aided and abetted by the like-minded media & their sycophantic readers & acolytes got it catastrophically wrong. Everything people feared about this government has come true in chilling fashion.

 

[Astute]

No I am explaining how you have misunderstood that and other points.

Even though I quoted you saying so?

OK will admit you don't mention your degree although you admitted you have mentioned your degree several times. And I admit you never said that smokers would have more severe effects from the virus although the quote shows you did and your degree was the reason for knowing so.

Happy now?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html

"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)

Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.

Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.

Hugely damning !

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So, with Ferguson being forced to resign and Hancock saying it’s a matter for the police when can we expect Robert Jenrick to resign and the police to visit Stanley Johnson?

And farage

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Sadly, they are not.

I just checked all current airborne flights into Heathrow in the world right now. Nearly all of them are passenger flights which are scheduled, including the ones coming from China.

Very bizarre and pretty reckless they're allowing flights to continue. Sounds like they're packed as well.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html

"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)

Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.

Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.

Starmer has reiterated yet again today we were slow to implement the necessary measures. Conservative or not you can't not agree with his statement.

Although many I'm sure will try.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Very bizarre and pretty reckless they're allowing flights to continue. Sounds like they're packed as well.

It’s the uk lockdown. Do what you think is right so long as you can get away with it

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Half of me thinks that there was too much for the NHS to cope with at the same time. Most countries seem to have had the same problem. The other half of me thinks that they didn't care too much about the care homes. They will save a lot of money in the future by not having to care for those no longer with us.

Given some of the views of the advisors in No. 10 there is that nagging doubt in my mind whether or not the care home thing could have been intentional. Reduce costs short term with increased death, less pensions etc to pay. I can't believe even they're so stupid as to not have thought "hang on - protect the vulnerable yet we're sending positive cases into a largely closed environment where the carers will be looking after everyone and the chances of infecting other residents is massive. Let's not do that maybe". Early on there may have been a worry about capacity in hospitals but this was before loads of cases and as has been pointed out the Nightingale hospitals are empty and they would be the perfect halfway house.

The fact that I can even have that doubt about my own government is depressing, but the fact is it is something those with influence have espoused in the past.

 

[Astute]

Starmer has reiterated yet again today we were slow to implement the necessary measures. Conservative or not you can't not agree with his statement.

Although many I'm sure will try.

And not strict enough with the measures set.

 

[Astute]

Given some of the views of the advisors in No. 10 there is that nagging doubt in my mind whether or not the care home thing could have been intentional. Reduce costs short term with increased death, less pensions etc to pay. I can't believe even they're so stupid as to not have thought "hang on - protect the vulnerable yet we're sending positive cases into a largely closed environment where the carers will be looking after everyone and the chances of infecting other residents is massive. Let's not do that maybe". Early on there may have been a worry about capacity in hospitals but this was before loads of cases and as has been pointed out the Nightingale hospitals are empty and they would be the perfect halfway house.

The fact that I can even have that doubt about my own government is depressing, but the fact is it is something those with influence have espoused in the past.

I would look forward to the enquiry needed if I could think it would be unbiased.

 

[fernandopartridge]

How utterly depressing the news is today. That dickhead Hancock now on about "backing the police" in prosecuting Neil Ferguson. He was tight lipped when Robert Jenrick arguably did much worse.

Johnson comes out with another target to be missed, more soundbites, more bluster, more deaths. Fuck the Tories.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?

 

[shmmeee]

And farage

To be fair the police did visit Farage and his excuse was that he’s a national journalist who’s racism is an essential service in the pandemic.