Sky Blue Pete
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People only need to worry about the ones going the other way
People only need to worry about the ones going the other wayThat wouldn't surprise me totally but in reality pandora's box was open when we left our borders open too long. I suppose that includes people returning from Italy etc, but it will also largely be citizens from those countries too.
Have a look on flight radar 24. There are still flights from China coming into Heathrow daily.
Most UK airports have almost no flights but there are still quite a few coming into LHR.
Sadly, they are not.
I just checked all current airborne flights into Heathrow in the world right now. Nearly all of them are passenger flights which are scheduled, including the ones coming from China.
An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html
"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)
Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.
Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.
Even though I quoted you saying so?No I am explaining how you have misunderstood that and other points.
Hugely damning !An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html
"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)
Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.
Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.
And farageSo, with Ferguson being forced to resign and Hancock saying it’s a matter for the police when can we expect Robert Jenrick to resign and the police to visit Stanley Johnson?
Sadly, they are not.
I just checked all current airborne flights into Heathrow in the world right now. Nearly all of them are passenger flights which are scheduled, including the ones coming from China.
An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html
"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)
Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.
Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.
It’s the uk lockdown. Do what you think is right so long as you can get away with itVery bizarre and pretty reckless they're allowing flights to continue. Sounds like they're packed as well.
Half of me thinks that there was too much for the NHS to cope with at the same time. Most countries seem to have had the same problem. The other half of me thinks that they didn't care too much about the care homes. They will save a lot of money in the future by not having to care for those no longer with us.
And not strict enough with the measures set.Starmer has reiterated yet again today we were slow to implement the necessary measures. Conservative or not you can't not agree with his statement.
Although many I'm sure will try.
I would look forward to the enquiry needed if I could think it would be unbiased.Given some of the views of the advisors in No. 10 there is that nagging doubt in my mind whether or not the care home thing could have been intentional. Reduce costs short term with increased death, less pensions etc to pay. I can't believe even they're so stupid as to not have thought "hang on - protect the vulnerable yet we're sending positive cases into a largely closed environment where the carers will be looking after everyone and the chances of infecting other residents is massive. Let's not do that maybe". Early on there may have been a worry about capacity in hospitals but this was before loads of cases and as has been pointed out the Nightingale hospitals are empty and they would be the perfect halfway house.
The fact that I can even have that doubt about my own government is depressing, but the fact is it is something those with influence have espoused in the past.
And farage
I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?
What he's effectively hinting is it's all going to come down next week... so people will flout the rules anyway as there's no message other than 'we have a cunning plan.'So people don't flount the 'rules' during the bank holiday this week perhaps?
I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?
All the more reason to reiterate that nothing has changed and we are still staying home (unless you fancy some sex) protecting the nhs (unless you are from a care home then we’ll send you back to infect all the vulnerable people there and save lives (but not in a South Korea or a New Zealand kind of way) Yours KING BORISSo people don't flount the 'rules' during the bank holiday this week perhaps?
How utterly depressing the news is today. That dickhead Hancock now on about "backing the police" in prosecuting Neil Ferguson. He was tight lipped when Robert Jenrick arguably did much worse.
Johnson comes out with another target to be missed, more soundbites, more bluster, more deaths. Fuck the Tories.
I'd imagine what's more likely is the government will try and pimp out UK health care in their trade talks with the US..
What he's effectively hinting is it's all going to come down next week... so people will flout the rules anyway as there's no message other than 'we have a cunning plan.'
Even though I quoted you saying so?
OK will admit you don't mention your degree although you admitted you have mentioned your degree several times. And I admit you never said that smokers would have more severe effects from the virus although the quote shows you did and your degree was the reason for knowing so.
Happy now?
erm because maybe its bank holiday?I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?
What does Friday being a bank holiday have to.do.with releasing plans on a Sundayerm because maybe its bank holiday?
I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?
Our flat pack Labour party leader does seem to be finding his feet.I thought it was a much better performance from Ikea Starmer today if I'm honest.
Though he wasn't up against much. Don't think Johnson properly answered one question and eventually, as you say, got goaded into setting another unachievable target on testing.
When all this is done and we start Brexit negotiations we're going to get absolutely rinsed with this mob in charge.
have you seen some of the pictures coming from America? It's madness. Packed parks, packed beaches, it's a little bit more understandable here, a combination of cabin fever and number of deaths decreasing is leading to people getting a little complacent, even though this is the time we really need to hold firm, but their numbers are going through the roof.
My daughters placement in Washington has been cancelled and she finds out today if she is going to be relocated to another part of the country, I really hope she isn't.
Trump even talking about disbanding the COVID 19 task force, it's crazy.
No its so they don't have to provide the detail. Take school closures as an example.erm because maybe its bank holiday?
The dibble aren't taking any further action against Ferguson. It was a smoke screen to mask the appalling death rate and the fact that Boris is having his arse handed to him at the latest PMQs
He's just blurted out 200k tests a day by end of may
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What? What's Friday got to do with anything?!?erm because maybe its bank holiday?
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