Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (282 Viewers)

Ian1779 · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
What conditions would be required fir teachers to go back to work and consider the environment safe? And when is this likely to happen?

Would think the following would have to be seriously discussed and planned for.

PPE equipment for teachers and students.

Plans around social distancing within the school
buildings as long as social distancing is in place (which I personally think are unachievable)

Staffing - you will have staff that are shielding and cannot work, staff that are shielding children or partners. How does that affect your ability to keep kids safe.

Students - again with the shielding aspect, how many parents will just keep kids at home as they feel it’s unsafe.

Lots more as well no doubt.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
What conditions would be required fir teachers to go back to work and consider the environment safe? And when is this likely to happen?

The unions have outlined 5 conditions to be met

skybluetony176 · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
So who on this thread has been asked back to work?

Grendel · May 11, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Would think the following would have to be seriously discussed and planned for.

PPE equipment for teachers and students.

Plans around social distancing within the school
buildings as long as social distancing is in place (which I personally think are unachievable)

Staffing - you will have staff that are shielding and cannot work, staff that are shielding children or partners. How does that affect your ability to keep kids safe.

Students - again with the shielding aspect, how many parents will just keep kids at home as they feel it’s unsafe.

Lots more as well no doubt.

I assume you accept children have no chance of dying from the virus so no one would think it’s unsafe for children themselves to go to school?

Terry Gibson's perm · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
I assume you accept children have no chance of dying from the virus so no one would think it’s unsafe for children themselves to go to school?

They have less chance but still some chance as they may have issues that have not yet surfaced

skybluetony176 · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
I assume you accept children have no chance of dying from the virus so no one would think it’s unsafe for children themselves to go to school?

What about when they bring it home? How many parents are vulnerable and supposed to be shielding? How many households have more than 2 generations so have grandparents living at home? Too simple an answer to just say children have no chance of dying (which isn’t even true anyway) it will be fine.

Ian1779 · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
I assume you accept children have no chance of dying from the virus so no one would think it’s unsafe for children themselves to go to school?

No I don’t accept that because it’s not true. There are possibly countless children that have unknown ‘underlying’ conditions so you can’t make that assumption.

Grendel · May 11, 2020

Terry Gibson's perm said:
They have less chance but still some chance as they may have issues that have not yet surfaced

How many school aged children have died if the virus?

Skybluefaz · May 11, 2020

Cultural and sporting events will be allowed to take place behind closed doors from the 1st June according to government doc

hill83 · May 11, 2020

My lad (4, 5 in August) won't be going in. Simple as that.
I doubt I'll be comfortable with him going back in September either but we'll know more nearer the time.

hill83 · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
How many school aged children have died if the virus?

Are we really about to get into all your usual round the houses shite about kids dying or not dying now? Have a day off.

Terry Gibson's perm · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
How many school aged children have died if the virus?

I can only think of one but there will be others I haven’t looked into the breakdown closely enough.

Grendel · May 11, 2020

hill83 said:
Are we really about to get into all your usual shite about kids dying or not dying now? Have a day off.

The answer is two and the ONS guy on the Marr show who is very anti government yesterday said this is mass hysteria from a child safety angle and people need to understand risk management - his words not mine

hill83 · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
The answer is two and the ONS guy on the Marr show who is very anti government yesterday said this is mass hysteria from a child safety angle and people need to understand risk management - his words not mine

So just fucking say that then.

And for the record, I don't care, I won't be taking the risk with my son.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
The answer is two and the ONS guy on the Marr show who is very anti government yesterday said this is mass hysteria from a child safety angle and people need to understand risk management - his words not mine

I know that the % of deaths for the under 20s is practically 0, but they aren’t the ones running the school and as the pre lockdown week showed it doesn’t take many teachers to be off for chaos to follow.

More to the point do we have evidence that children can’t still carry the virus?

clint van damme · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
I assume you accept children have no chance of dying from the virus so no one would think it’s unsafe for children themselves to go to school?

There was a fella (possibly something to do with SAGE) on 5live this morning who said its accepted that children are relatively unaffected by the virus but he said there are 2 schools of thought into how much they spread it with one been low risk of spreading it and the other been high risk.

I'm not sure how they can send kids back until they clear that up. The kids might be safe but what about they're families which could have members who are vulnerable?

jimmyhillsfanclub · May 11, 2020

I think even the idea of isolating young kids of 5 & 6 yrs & surrounding them (from 2m distance) with adults in facemasks is desperately sad....it'll fuck them up in all sorts of ways......

.....all this additional national stress & anxiety brought on by some half-arsed idea to get a few kids back to school for about 6 weeks before they break up again..... Its astoundingly dumb.

Grendel · May 11, 2020

hill83 said:
So just fucking say that then.

And for the record, I don't care, I won't be taking the risk with my son.

But then this is irrational fear isn’t it? Statistically your child has more chance of dying going to school than being there. You are not stupid so surely this is irrational fear over logic and this is permeating they whole thread - it’s a bunker mentality with no solutions

hill83 · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
But then this is irrational fear isn’t it? Statistically your child has more chance of dying going to school than being there. You are not stupid so surely this is irrational fear over logic and this is permeating they whole thread - it’s a bunker mentality with no solutions

stupot07 · May 11, 2020

By sending children to school you're increasing their R and therefore the R of the whole nation.

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hill83 · May 11, 2020

Plus he won't be dying going to school if he's not going to school will he Sherlock

fernandopartridge · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
How many school aged children have died if the virus?

It isn't just about the children themselves, it's their superb virus spreading talents which are the bigger problem.

wingy · May 11, 2020

Disappointing to hear Germany's R rate has increased from 0.6 last week to 1.13 this.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 11, 2020

hill83 said:
Plus he won't be dying going to school if he's not going to school will he Sherlock

G seems to think that teachers are doing what they can to avoid going back in. I don’t know about Ian or the others but I hate this way of working and want to get back in a classroom. But I don’t want to do that until my older or more vulnerable colleagues can do it safely

Ian1779 · May 11, 2020

Social distancing is in place for a reason. Whether they are kids or not is kind of irrelevant. Can their ‘workplace’ provide it? If not then they shouldn’t be going in.

Grendel · May 11, 2020

stupot07 said:
By sending children to school you're increasing their R and therefore the R of the whole nation.

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So we should close until a cure is found? This could take 5 years. So will we close for 5 years?

Deleted member 5849 · May 11, 2020

wingy said:
Disappointing to hear Germany's R rate has increased from 0.6 last week to 1.13 this.

We have an opportunity, as we're behind just about everybody else in what's going on, to see what happens with them, and learn from it.

I'd like to think we'd take it!

Grendel · May 11, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
G seems to think that teachers are doing what they can to avoid going back in. I don’t know about Ian or the others but I hate this way of working and want to get back in a classroom. But I don’t want to do that until my older or more vulnerable colleagues can do it safely

Dear me I’m not saying this at all. I’m trying to get some actual discussion on the way forward and not this hysterical nonsense.

hill83 · May 11, 2020

I'm fully on board with critical thinking in all of it's forms. But I've got to draw the line at the safety of my son, irrational or not I genuinely don't give a fuck. Must be a built in thing.
Plus I don't trust the governments stance on any of this one bit.

As for actual discussion on the way forward? Not a clue.
Magic pixie dust? Ask him to stay alert? He coughed directly into my mouth this morning.

Edit: I'm sounding dangerously like some anti vax lunatic here. Fuck this whole situation.

stupot07 · May 11, 2020

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Brighton Sky Blue · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
So we should close until a cure is found? This could take 5 years. So will we close for 5 years?

We should close until we have sufficient data on the virus and it’s transmission, in particular with regards to groups with minimal death rates. But half in half out at school is unworkable if combined with remote learning arrangements

fernandopartridge · May 11, 2020

wingy said:
Disappointing to hear Germany's R rate has increased from 0.6 last week to 1.13 this.

I find it laughab

Grendel said:
Dear me I’m not saying this at all. I’m trying to get some actual discussion on the way forward and not this hysterical nonsense.

The way forward is not reopening schools when the infection data is so unreliable and the number of people infected so high.

stupot07 · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
So we should close until a cure is found? This could take 5 years. So will we close for 5 years?

We should do whatever is required to minimise the number of unnecessary deaths.

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Grendel · May 11, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Social distancing is in place for a reason. Whether they are kids or not is kind of irrelevant. Can their ‘workplace’ provide it? If not then they shouldn’t be going in.

Then we close schools until a vaccine and ban all contact sports?

Brighton Sky Blue · May 11, 2020

Grendel said:
Dear me I’m not saying this at all. I’m trying to get some actual discussion on the way forward and not this hysterical nonsense.

You’re suggesting that we’re being over cautious and to back it up you’ve just said that hardly any children have died while ignoring transmission or infection amongst the staff.

Actually come to think of it your denial of us topping the death table basically nullifies what you’ve got to say here

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