Ring Of Steel
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I think it’s safe to say that- at best- the govt were criminally negligent, at worst...
is there any other walk of life where authorising the culling of thousands of people would be let pass without comment?
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Jenny told us yesterday care homes are/ were geared up to cope with this situation and always have been .
Whatever the infection.
Cambodia in the 1970’s.is there any other walk of life where authorising the culling of thousands of people would be let pass without comment?
We can all see why it occurred.I actually wonder if the crises will focus minds on care homes across the wider community - I have some views on this and I think it’s a much bigger discussion point to be had than on here where ids just point scoring. I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred. Europe I can see very easily having easily half it’s real deaths in care homes
You won’t even acknowledge what’s happened. If you want an adult conversation that’s your starting point. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la like you are is about as childish as it gets.As I’ve said I’ll have sensible discussion on this but I see from Tony it’s again more interested in using care hone victims for point scoring
Most people in care homes should not be even in there in the first place
I would genuinely be interested who has ever been in one of these god forsaken places
I have strong views on this subject but I see it’s just pointless as comparing one government policy to mass slaughter is the way it’s going to go so fine I’ll leave you all to it
You won’t even acknowledge what’s happened. If you want an adult conversation that’s your starting point. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la like you are is about as childish as it gets.
Fucking hell. You want to go around accusing people of point scoring of deaths in care homes and then pull that bullshit. If you knew people who died in care homes you would be angry about the situation in care homes caused by this government as much as me. You ain’t, that tells you everything you need to know. Calling me a pathetic specimen and then add another string to your imaginary life to point score on here. Take a look in the mirror pal. You’re a poor excuse for a human being.have you had anyone close to you die in a care home with no idea why you pathetic specimen - that’s why you are the one person I generally ignore in here. Oddly you’d be at home in the government as cheap point scoring is all that bothers you.
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He lying again?Fucking hell. You want to go around accusing people of point scoring of deaths in care homes and then pull that bullshit. If you knew people who died in care homes you would be angry about the situation in care homes caused by this government as much as me. You ain’t, that tells you everything you need to know. Calling me a pathetic specimen and then add another string to your imaginary life to point score on here. Take a look in the mirror pal. You’re a poor excuse for a human being.
He’d be fuming with the government if he wasn’t. Simple as that.He lying again?
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OK, bye then.So I had a very close relative that died in one of these places which we fought tooth and nail to get back home and I’m lying
My god well guys you’ve got your way I’ll leave you all to it
I actually wonder if the crises will focus minds on care homes across the wider community - I have some views on this and I think it’s a much bigger discussion point to be had than on here where ids just point scoring. I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred. Europe I can see very easily having easily half it’s real deaths in care homes
Would be one good thing to come out of it if politicians stopped kicking it into the long grass. I can’t see the Tories funding it from taxation though, the Dementia Tax was their best stab at it and we saw how that worked out with their core vote. Not as sexy as a train or bridge either so not likely to tickle Johnson’s ego.
What would you do instead, though?Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments
You best check your pension portfolio you’re always bragging about then. Pension investors love investing in care homes because of their high yield and large property portfolios that look good on the books.profiteering hell holes
What would you do instead, though?
Some are actually OK tbf. I'd argue it's as much assessing the needs of the individual, rather than one size fits all, and applying some rigorous standards within them, which then needs rewarding the staff. As that then needs somebody to pay for it... who does that? That needs buy-in from an early age, and as with private pensions it's hard to engage people when old age seems far away, and pointless engaging them once they've got there.
Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments
I've had relatives stay in them as respite care rather than long term residents and I find them grim places. How the carers that work in them manage it I don't know.
But what are your alternatives? The fact they're private and therefore as you put it profiteering is part of the policy of free-market thinking to up quality and drive down cost. So why is this not happening? The other thing is that these people that are in there that probably shouldn't be are there because we've got a society that is either selfish and don't want to look after their own family members themselves in their own home or that due to economic pressures and inequality have to work so they're unable to be full time carers. Again this is predominantly a stance that has it's origins from the right.
It has its origins from our society that thinks it’s acceptable to let their parents line in these places - many of whom are actually mentally alert. That’s not political it’s just the way people are in many countries across the west
It has its origins from our society that thinks it’s acceptable to let their parents line in these places - many of whom are actually mentally alert. That’s not political it’s just the way people are in many countries across the west
I agree, but this is a completely separate issue, this involves a Government directive to transferGrendel Post 23191 I see you have been in a lot of care homes have you made your choice yet? I could help you wife used to work in a good one in Bedworth. I know of that one and another within a mile of it which i would have closed down immediatly I do think society does have plenty to answer for the way some people forget the ones who brought them up.
Noticed the other day on twitter the owner of a string of local care homes was kicking off about the current crisis. Wasn't complaining about sick people being moved in or his staff stuggling to cope with the extra work or them not having the PPE required. His only complaint was that they should be receiving more money per day for every person they took in.For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes.
He always knows someoneOK, bye then.
I agree, but how has society ended up with that mindset? Who made it the 'me, me, me' society rather than putting family first and taking care of them?
I also ask that if this place was so despicable why did you allow this person to carry on living there? You could have offered to become a carer and taken care of them yourself if you so desired.
The saddest and worst thing of it all is that it shows a wider societal problem with how these people are considered and how they are treated.Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments
He tried to once again lie and deflect from the frankly shocking way the government prepared care homes for this crisis
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