Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (3 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Was lockdown to prevent a massive uncontrollable peak yes or no?

No one ever said it was until deaths or infections had reached a certain point.

Im not a tory or a lefty, but I've had enough. The MSM have made people believe this is necessary. It isnt anymore. We did what we were meant to do.

By all means if it fires back up again or there is a second wave ( which wont happen) then bring in the restrictions.

Coronavirus updates: Schools close again over South Korea virus spike - BBC News

The WHO don't think the virus is just going away

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Nah, Saddlebrains has said it's on its way out.

 

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[David O'Day]

Why we have to start getting the economy going again and lifting the lockdown safely

Yes dom safely

Also currently the government gilts are negative for the first time in history so technically we can borrow money and be paid for it.



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[David O'Day]

Nah, Saddlebrains has said it's on its way out.

The 2nd part of his name is up in front of trading standards

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[skybluetony176]

Coronavirus updates: Schools close again over South Korea virus spike - BBC News

Let’s not forget that South Korea got this far more under control than we ever have and a lot sooner, had an effective track and trace system in place from day one unlike the shite we have that’s been thrown together by some of Boris’ mates with the worst track record in doing this type of thing and even then isn’t even going to be fully working until the end of (insert month here) and South Korea also has one of the most efficient, capable, effective and largest testing set up of any countries in the world.

Based on all that Dom why should people send their kids to school on Monday?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Saddle have you seen

Brazjl
Chile
Mexico
India

The virus is alive and kicking. Now if we are saying we recognise the risks and will open up anyway and take the consequences then ok but we’re not

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Knowing that dumb fuck he’ll probably invade the Isle of Man. Thinking it’s the Isle of White.

Whichever it is he'd start by saying he'll build a bridge to it.

Shame he can't bridge the gap between his ears.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why we have to start getting the economy going again and lifting the lockdown safely

Somebody has to pay for furlough if you don't want business to foot 20%. Personally I'm happy to pay a little extra to support those less fortunate, and it seems you are too.

 

[David O'Day]

Sheffield won't open any of it's schools until the track and trace system has been fully operation for 14 days

Sensible

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[clint van damme]

Sheffield won't open any of it's schools until the track and trace system has been fully operation for 14 days

Sensible

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Which means they won't be opening until September as track and trace won't be fully up and running until end of June.
Why don't we just scrap the rest of this school year and concentrate on getting schools as safe as we possibly can for September.
Temperature tests, PPE, spraying bags on entry,.deep clean over night.
Other countries are doing it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which means they won't be opening until September as track and trace won't be fully up and running until end of June.
Why don't we just scrap the rest of this school year and concentrate on getting schools as safe as we possibly can for September.
Temperature tests, PPE, spraying bags on entry,.deep clean over night.
Other countries are doing it.

The problem will be in those schools where remote learning hasn’t really been attempted or done effectively and so there would be huge issues for the exam classes. I do think they need at least some time in.

 

[Ian1779]

The problem will be in those schools where remote learning hasn’t really been attempted or done effectively and so there would be huge issues for the exam classes. I do think they need at least some time in.

I see what you are saying - my concern is that a lot of parents won’t send their kids in regardless for a number of reasons - safety being the primary one but also needing to supervise younger siblings that are not back at school. I think we run the risk of having even larger gaps in learning between kids than we already have to try and close. It would be easier and probably fairer for the exam boards to think about reasonable adjustments for next year also.

 

[shmmeee]

Practically, government isn't a bottomless money pit. Time to raise taxes to pay for the state aid.

Practically it is TBF. As long as they claw back enough through tax. Government is there to add and remove from the money supply. Who they add to and who they remove from is a political decision. Inflation is well down so that’s hardly a worry right now, interest rates are rock bottom.

Now isn’t the time for austerity through tax raises or spending cuts. It’s time to stimulate the economy and put money in people’s pockets. We can pay off the debt over decades like we always do.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Practically it is TBF. As long as they claw back enough through tax. Government is there to add and remove from the money supply. Who they add to and who they remove from is a political decision. Inflation is well down so that’s hardly a worry right now, interest rates are rock bottom.

Now isn’t the time for austerity through tax raises or spending cuts. It’s time to stimulate the economy and put money in people’s pockets. We can pay off the debt over decades like we always do.

Exactly, tax has to come in. If raising taxes enables more people to keep their jobs, that stimulates the economy. What doesn't is making people unemployed and having to pay them benefts instead.

But... somebody has to pay. It's pretty crazy to run up a massive debt and then have to pay it down, that stops your spending further down the line. And there's absolutely no reason why any of us should care about an extra penny or two on income tax, and a higher rate at a higher wage earning threshold.

 

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[Nick]

I dont even know whey they are bullshitting about schools.

Whats the point, for a couple of weeks before they break up for the summer?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I dont even know whey they are bullshitting about schools.

Whats the point, for a couple of weeks before they break up for the summer?

Wanting things to appear sort of normal?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So it wasn't actually Cummings' Dad's house at all, as he told everyone, it was his second residence. He's also on the electoral register there

 

[Nick]

Wanting things to appear sort of normal?

Just messing people about.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just messing people about.

Could always sacrifice the summer holidays as G suggested

 

[shmmeee]

Exactly, tax has to come in. If raising taxes enables more people to keep their jobs, that stimulates the economy. What doesn't is making people unemployed and having to pay them benefts instead.

But... somebody has to pay. It's pretty crazy to run up a massive debt and then have to pay it down, that stops your spending further down the line. And there's absolutely no reason why any of us should care about an extra penny or two on income tax, and a higher rate at a higher wage earning threshold.

Disagree. Raising taxes or cutting spending now stops people spending to get business back on its feet. The pandemic is a one off that it’s entirely sensible to borrow to get through.

I support tax rises for improving public services anyway. But the idea you pay for one off costs through them when borrowing is so cheap is dangerous and leads to the Question Time Audience Economists blathering on about buying pints with a tenner.

There’s nothing wrong with debt and deficit at a time of crisis. That’s what it’s there for.

 

[David O'Day]

Disagree. Raising taxes or cutting spending now stops people spending to get business back on its feet. The pandemic is a one off that it’s entirely sensible to borrow to get through.

I support tax rises for improving public services anyway. But the idea you pay for one off costs through them when borrowing is so cheap is dangerous and leads to the Question Time Audience Economists blathering on about buying pints with a tenner.

There’s nothing wrong with debt and deficit at a time of crisis. That’s what it’s there for.

Yep tax rises will just further depress demand

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[chiefdave]

Am I missing something here? Find it concerning talking about using the Midlands as some sort of test to see if things can be opened without killing more people. Not helped by the fact Street mentions things like "economic driver" but no mention for public health.

West Midlands region seeking to be national test bed for re-opening hospitality and culture venues

 

[clint van damme]

So it wasn't actually Cummings' Dad's house at all, as he told everyone, it was his second residence. He's also on the electoral register there

There's some talk that document may be fake but who knows what's true or not anymore.
And if it is fake who's leaked it?
Would be convenient for Cummings to still be in the news if it keeps Jenrick and Raabs latest troubles off the front page.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

There's some talk that document may be fake but who knows what's true or not anymore.
And if it is fake who's leaked it?
Would be convenient for Cummings to still be in the news if it keeps Jenrick and Raabs latest troubles off the front page.

This I find a lot more worrying- several people saying the same thing

 

[clint van damme]

This I find a lot more worrying- several people saying the same thing

Worrying. I can see it happening.
I don't think this thing is going away.

 

[chiefdave]

There's some talk that document may be fake but who knows what's true or not anymore.
And if it is fake who's leaked it?
Would be convenient for Cummings to still be in the news if it keeps Jenrick and Raabs latest troubles off the front page.

Would be easy to disprove wouldn't it? Anyone can access the information online at the Land Registry for £3. He has certainly been on the electoral roll there, you can check that for free.

Did laugh at the first defence of this I saw on twitter. Doesn't count as a second home as its only in his name to avoid paying tax!

 

[chiefdave]

This I find a lot more worrying- several people saying the same thing

There was this earlier in the week as well:
Hospital closes A&E and stops accepting patients after new virus outbreak | Metro News

I totally understand one of the aims of lockdown was to avoid overwhelming the NHS but that shouldn't be the only measure. Even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed its still a discussion about potential lives lost. That seems to be getting forgotten in many discussions about easing lockdown.

 

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[PVA]

Good grief.

What is wrong with these people.

 

[chiefdave]

Even in the briefing yesterday if you look at what Valance said compared to what Johnson said it gave cause for concern about easing lockdown.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm reasonably confident that by March 2021 the excess deaths figure will be pushing 200k.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Even in the briefing yesterday if you look at what Valance said compared to what Johnson said it gave cause for concern about easing lockdown.

I've always said,if I were comfortable they were following the scientific advice, I'd go along with it as how on earth can I judge myself?

I'm becoming less and less comfortable, it must be said. One would hope that if there were a *serious* divergance there'd be some resignations, mind you...

 

[Marty]

I've gotta go back to work week after next. Kinda just want to get back to normal now.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Am I missing something here? Find it concerning talking about using the Midlands as some sort of test to see if things can be opened without killing more people. Not helped by the fact Street mentions things like "economic driver" but no mention for public health.

West Midlands region seeking to be national test bed for re-opening hospitality and culture venues

Very concerning. All about the £££, not one care given as to the public health consequences (or even the economic consequences of opening too soon and ending up having to shut them again for even longer than we would've.

But we're 'being led by the science'. Even though the science says it's still too early, deaths and infections are still too high even if the trends are downward, Johnson has re-iterated the intention to go to level 3 when everything says it should remain at 4.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Very concerning. All about the £££, not one care given as to the public health consequences (or even the economic consequences of opening too soon and ending up having to shut them again for even longer than we would've.

But we're 'being led by the science'. Even though the science says it's still too early, deaths and infections are still too high even if the trends are downward, Johnson has re-iterated the intention to go to level 3 when everything says it should remain at 4.

But his approval rating is really good under the circumstances so everything is just fine