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Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (1 Viewer)
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Nick
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I am talking about the general consensus. Look at the aspect the media are pushing as well, look at the general reactions on here.
Lockdown and social distancing doesn't seem to apply if you are doing it for a "cause" it goes under the radar. Same weeks ago when dicks were acting up in supermarkets over some Pasta, it was OK because they "need to eat".
LastGarrison
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This is what was relayed to teachers in Wales yesterday.
All schools in wales are to open for all years on June 29th until july 27th a week into summer hols and then open again sept1st with an extra week off for october half term. No more than a third of school at any one time. More details next week. ... bit different to what we thought they would do... I can imagine this would be a huge logistical nightmare for heads!
shmmeee
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Regarding the men vs women thing @The coventrian
I believe the idea is young men are more likely to make the dangerous journey across and then either send money back, or get asylum and bring their family over. That’s why it’s young men. The elderly and frail don’t tend to cling to rafts/the underside of lorries so well.
I believe the idea is young men are more likely to make the dangerous journey across and then either send money back, or get asylum and bring their family over. That’s why it’s young men. The elderly and frail don’t tend to cling to rafts/the underside of lorries so well.
Grendel
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The scale of outrage is different as you know - now of course conveniently lockdown has ended - that’s odd. Most shops are still closed, the ones that are open have queues outside everywhere, sport is off, concerts off, pubs and cafes closed
I’ll amazed people on here aren’t demanding the resignation of Barry Gardiner. At least Nandy and even Lammy have put the boot in - will be interesting if Starmer removes the whip
Grendel
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Which clearly is lockdown hasn’t ended - ikea is open
Nick
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Have they said Lockdown has finished? Granted, I don't watch the daily news briefs.
shmmeee
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From what I recall the general consensus was all gathering are stupid. Be it on the beach, on a bridge, or at a protest. The only person I’ve seen suggesting otherwise and making a distinction is you TBH.
clint van damme
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But no-one is saying its OK for them people to ignore social distancing. You're making out like the majority of the public think its OK when they don't.
I saw footage of protests from Rotterdam where they did maintain social distancing so there's no excuse and it can be done.
I haven't seen anyone on here condoning it but they are saying the Cummings thing gave people a reason to say fuck it which i totally agree with.
it's like someone bringing a pint to their seat at that match. Most people think what an arse.
But if everyone sees a steward doing it then a lot of them are gong to think fuck it, I'll do the same.
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ffs
clint van damme
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what has Gardiner done?
edit - just read it, ill advised but still not in the same league as the man who made the rules breaking them and then altering them to legitimise his own behaviour whilst giving an explanation to the nation full of lies.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don't envy them. Mind you as it was my fault for choosing secondary teaching, nobody made them teach in Wales.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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He went to the big George Floyd protest
Grendel
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Nick
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Has it? Have a look at how the media treat things, have a look at the level of reaction.
The police obviously think the situations are different, their boss joined in with a gathering in London on a bridge. No issue handing out fines to people in cars with somebody else though.
Much like Cummings, there is an awful lot of hypocrisy going on.
clint van damme
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Grendel
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Not at all and I think it’s far more likely to spread infection than a road trip to Durham
shmmeee
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There’s also the fact that the lockdown hasn’t been policed at all, and that’s because of direction from the government. At the start they were policing it and right wing Twitter got all up in arms about the police state. Government ministers started telling the police off for enforcing the law.
Then the absolute mess of messaging. Vulnerable people are allowed out despite us still being at level 4 apparently. Sports starting up. Dates given for pubs to be open soon. Retrospectively changing the rules to allow people to use their “instinct”. Bringing back Parliament despite them being able to work from home.
Then the absolute mess of messaging. Vulnerable people are allowed out despite us still being at level 4 apparently. Sports starting up. Dates given for pubs to be open soon. Retrospectively changing the rules to allow people to use their “instinct”. Bringing back Parliament despite them being able to work from home.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Don't forget the 14 day quarantine makes total sense because we don't want a second spike and we'll make sure you get fined a grand but you can still go to the shop
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You complain about nobody complaining about certain figures' actions, but seem happy for those who set the tone to be disengenuous, unclear, and contradictory.
The deflection onto nonentities absolves people of responsibility.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Assuming this is G coming back with his fishing rod. Wonder if he now accepts we are the worst for deaths in Europe
shmmeee
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Why are we pretending that the government don’t set the rules here?
If they wanted to they could make it clear people need to be prosecuted for this stuff. But that would mean throwing their favourite advisor under the bus so they don’t. Same as when they wanted a fall guy from SAGE suddenly breaking lockdown was serious, until someone they liked broke it then it was all fuzzy and about using your judgement.
You want to talk hypocrisy and politicisation that’s where to start.
If they wanted to they could make it clear people need to be prosecuted for this stuff. But that would mean throwing their favourite advisor under the bus so they don’t. Same as when they wanted a fall guy from SAGE suddenly breaking lockdown was serious, until someone they liked broke it then it was all fuzzy and about using your judgement.
You want to talk hypocrisy and politicisation that’s where to start.
clint van damme
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we are worse for deaths than Europe!
Brighton Sky Blue
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All of it combined?
Ian1779
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What it does highlight is how easily the virus could be potentially spread.
Gardiner would have been in Parliament earlier in the week - Alok Sharma has a suspected case and has been tested. Parliament struggled to socially distance because of the absurd voting nonsense so it’s perfectly plausible that the virus could have been transmitted. He’s then gone to this protest where again social distancing isn’t happening and again could potentially transmit it.
Gardiner would have been in Parliament earlier in the week - Alok Sharma has a suspected case and has been tested. Parliament struggled to socially distance because of the absurd voting nonsense so it’s perfectly plausible that the virus could have been transmitted. He’s then gone to this protest where again social distancing isn’t happening and again could potentially transmit it.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Europe's, number 1, Europe's Europe's number 1
Grendel
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Oh dear double standards alert
If you seriously are trying to convince anyone that social distancing rules are not still there and known that’s straw clutching
Describing an MP as a non entity as a reason for a excusing is curious. Are special advisors more likely to spread infection
Mr Starmer said he would fire Mr Cummings. Let’s see what happens to Mr Gardiner who admits he is aware what was happening was against guidelines and he didn’t care
Nick
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Oh, MPs being hypocrites are nothing new.
Cummins was in the wrong, that's obvious. It's pathetic the shit he has come out with and he visited a landmark. If he had just driven himself and his family to a second home to isolate there's not too much wrong with it. He didn't just do that though so yeah, fuck him off.
Same as Cressida Dick, why is she still in a job after rocking up on a busy bridge surrounded by the public?
skybluetony176
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I wonder what we should do about Rees-Mogg? He’s made MP’s come back and anyone who saw footage from inside parliament yesterday would have seen social distancing inside parliament as bad as social distancing at a demonstration outside of parliament. You could actually argue that what Rees-Mogg organised is many times worse as parliament is an enclosed space whereas the demonstration was at least outside where the risk of spreading infection is greatly diminished. Just to be clear I’m not saying that makes the demonstration okay as far as social distancing is concerned, I’m far from happy with the scenes outside of parliament. I’m saying the scenes inside parliament was arguably far worse as far as risk of spreading the virus is concerned.
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I'm actually sympathetic to the first point. People clamouring for house arrest is... an interesting sociological event. That also makes me sympathetic towards protest as democracy requires government to be challenged and held to account, it also requires the disenfranchised to be allowed a chance to gain a voice. You can, of course, do the latter in a different way at present.
It's the chaos of the messaging I have most of an issue with!
shmmeee
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This isn’t quite right TBF. Spain have developed a bat shit way of counting that saw their deaths drop from a couple of hundred to single figures overnight. In all likelihood their real figures would’ve put the 27 slightly ahead.
Even so, we are waaaaay out of kilter with the rest of the continent.
The coventrian
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No just send them back.