shmmeee
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It can only be lack of confidence in their ability to give answers. Surely the sensible thing to do is announce Sat night for the Sunday papers then do the rounds of Sunday shows explaining it?
What I don’t understand is why not do all this yesterday before the working week started. How many people have gone to work today and then before the working day finishes find out that they should be at home? Happened to me at the beginning of the first wave.
Had a daughter displaying symptoms over the weekend before lockdown, went to work Monday morning as per usual following the advice of the government and before I finished work I was being told that I should self isolate for 2 weeks. Don’t believe I or my daughter had it on that occasion but potentially I could have given it to 7 people, one of who has health complications and had to shield.
Why not do this at the weekend? Doesn’t make any common sense.
How have they established that there isn't any existing suppliers who can meet the demand if they aren't even speaking to any of them? Do you not find it odd that existing suppliers that cover both manufacture in the UK and import are considered by the government unable to meet this demand to the point they don't even have a conversation with them while multiple newly formed companies, who just happen to have links back to the government, are handed huge contracts. Seemingly with no penalty when they fail to fulfil them or when they product delivered is of a poor standard and unusable?Yes because the government are not going to go for a strategy of onboarding and setting up supply chain, logistics networks, payment terms, onboarding, etc., for ten companies when they can get the same volume with one company are they? So I am not suprised they didn't get a response.
It would be fair to separate them if this was an outlier. But it isn't. There's a clear pattern here which would be of concern at the best of times let alone when the result is frontline workers not having what they need to work safely during the pandemic.I said the medpro deal is a non story yes. Are you unable to separate them in your head?
This just illustrates the issue you're arguing against. Existing companies not able to get a response from the government or being tied up in red tape while those with the right connections get fast tracked.Also, nobody said they couldn't supply product to the required standard, I just said they weren't accredited with the CE standard.
Don't think anyone would be complaining about the lack of a tender process if there was a successful end result that stood up to scrutiny. The concerns are because contracts are being handed out seemingly not based on competence or suitability but based purely on having a connection to the government. And time and time again it later emerges that the companies in question are unable to deliver what they promised. Of course the 'time is of the essence' argument links back to another issue where the government decided to ignore the results of Operation Cygnus which flagged up exactly these issues.Again, not surprised there's not a formal tender process and I believe that was quite publicly explained that there was no time. Those processes can take months. Clearly time was of the essence here. You say newly setup companies with no track record - how do you know that the manufacturer (after all, that's what's important rather than a middle man surely) has no track record or experience?
What the fuck are you talking about? It's not guilty until proven innocent is it? What EVIDENCE (nice and shouty for you) is there than the other company is able to meet it's stated targets? Your argument is ridiculous. You have no idea about the MedPro producer and what their reputation or trading history is. You have no idea what the criteria was for the supplier selection.
Because they are importing from an accredited producer and obviously have significantly bigger volume commitments on offer than the "long established PPE supplier" (beauty gown supplier that is) who was able to offer 40k gowns per month. The awarded supplier was able to offer 25 million gowns per year.
Non story really
It’s not is it, it’s that specific example I spoke about and you’ve tried your best to twist that into me saying the government have acted perfectly in every single Procurement exercise they’ve ever carried out.
Classic straw man argument because you couldn’t say anything about the actual case being discussed.
I’m out
Doesn’t make any common sense.
Yup. That's one thing we'd have surely learned from last time. Do it or, frankly, why bother after the event?if you're gonna do it, get on & do it FFS.
The strategy seems to be take random, relatively light measures while hoping for the best, despite the weight of overwhelming evidence that the “strategy” isn’t working.Had a nice simple message, protect the NHS.
Now we seem to be protecting the NHS / protecting the economy / allowing for eye test trips / keeping schools and universities open etc. etc.
I've no real idea what our strategy is just atm. Maybe it'll become clearer at 3pm(!)
The strategy seems to be take random, relatively light measures while hoping for the best, despite the weight of overwhelming evidence that the “strategy” isn’t working.
For me, the biggest failure is the lack of preparation done over the summer while we were doing OK. There’s no real plan for uni students, no backup plan for schools. The delayed app is poor. The messaging became incoherent etc.
I see a new one has come to light today. Basically a contract for face masks given to a company without tender who’s owners/management have links to Liz Truss. The government overpaid for the masks by a whopping £30+ million. Just to be clear this is above the governments own figures of what they’ve been paying during the pandemic.
This lot are doing some sterling work on it. They’re keeping us in the dark - Good Law ProjectBut that's just one specific case. It doesn't mean any of the rest are like that. Except for all the ones that are.
Although that is a worrying statistic I think the NHS is much better placed to deal with it from better treatments, more respirators, other forms of breathing assistance that negates the use of respirators and the extra work involved in keeping people on respirators, adequate and available PPE etc. Not that any of that should cause complacency.There are now more people in hospital with Covid-19 than there were when the UK went into lockdown in March...
There are now more people in hospital with Covid-19 than there were when the UK went into lockdown in March...
It certainly puts to bed any hopes it's any less virulant now than in March, however.Although that is a worrying statistic I think the NHS is much better placed to deal with it from better treatments, more respirators, other forms of breathing assistance that negates the use of respirators and the extra work involved in keeping people on respirators, adequate and available PPE etc. Not that any of that should cause complacency.
Did he give anymore information as that seems at odds with most things I've read recently.Van Tam says those under 16 have minimal role in infection. So fucking let me do my job properly then
I've got nothing to back this up but did the numbers not drop as far in places where manufacturing or other roles that can't be done from home are more prominent? Hope they aren't trying to send a message that stupid northerners didn't follow the rules so its their own fault.Incidentally, did he really say that the rate hadn't died down as much in the North when we relaxed lockdown, and that's why they're suffering now?
Incidentally, did he really say that the rate hadn't died down as much in the North when we relaxed lockdown, and that's why they're suffering now?
That's the frustrating thing nationally, that we seemed to be only a couple of weeks from knocking the rates back to where the likes of Italy were but, because they were opening up, we decided to as well!I posted this a week or so back......Andy Burnham & Steve Rotherham warned of the dangers of releasing lockdown too soon back in the summer as the North West was lagging London & SE by about 3 weeks........but what would the Regional leaders & directors of public health know eh?
Yeh, you're right. Don't know much about public procurement. Know a bit about private though, but i'm just going on the information that is out there which apparently everyone else is able to jump to chunky conclusions with...
To be fair its an old ad but it does give an idea of what careers they view as not worthwhile.Government scraps ballet dancer reskilling ad criticised as 'crass'
Culture secretary distanced himself from widely mocked poster amid job losses in artswww.theguardian.com
I'll withdraw the criticism then.To be fair its an old ad but it does give an idea of what careers they view as not worthwhile.
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