Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (67 Viewers)

[PVA]

Also a question to Dom - why do you seem to think there are only two options: ease lockdown now or stay in lockdown forever?

There's a pretty huge array of options in between those two

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

So we sit in lockdown for another few months and the country becomes economically ruined and bankrupt and millions are unemployed.....we need to start getting things going like every other country, if the vaccine don’t work we’ve got to live with this forever! We need that track and trace to be properly working now I agree it should have been in place weeks and weeks ago

That sounds very close to saying let’s give up on managing this and allow it to just run itself out with the loss of a generation before their time

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We were slow in reacting to what was going on in Italy when this arrived in Europe and here we are eager to come out of lockdown at a time when we are still regularly seeing over 300 confirmed deaths daily. That rate of death in March and there would have been absolutely no discussion on ending lockdown..

This is what I don't get. I can be sympathetic to us being slow to begin with (who wants this!) but current behaviour is contradictory to past.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

That sounds very close to saying let’s give up on managing this and allow it to just run itself out with the loss of a generation before their time

So if we do have a hard lockdown for many more months do you not think the top bit will happen? We need to try and find a safe balance and that’s why they released the new Workplace safety guidelines, if we follow them there is no reason why another spike will happen

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

What depresses me is that there seems to be an acceptance that there will be a "spike" soon after mid June. Surely thst's more a result of coming out of lockdown too soon rather than anything else.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What depresses me is that there seems to be an acceptance that there will be a "spike" soon after mid June. Surely thst's more a result of coming out of lockdown too soon rather than anything else.

Yep as if it’s a given rather than a consequence of mistakes that we don’t have to make

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What depresses me is that there seems to be an acceptance that there will be a "spike" soon after mid June. Surely thst's more a result of coming out of lockdown too soon rather than anything else.

No reason there will be a spike if people follow the guidelines and rules mate? It’s not like everything is opening straight away, things are being opened slowly and safely

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What depresses me is that there seems to be an acceptance that there will be a "spike" soon after mid June. Surely thst's more a result of coming out of lockdown too soon rather than anything else.

And as you say, it's more destructive if we get it wrong. I don't want to come out, only to have to go back in again!

 

[clint van damme]

So all manner of scientists and even members of SAGE are coming out and saying it's too early to lift lockdown...

....yet the government ease lockdown despite saying they would follow the science. It's almost as if there's been something else in the news that they are desperate to take attention away from.

It's clearer than ever now that they value their party and the economy over human lives.

Which will ultimately hit the economy harder in the long run if we have.

 

[skybluetony176]

Here you go Don listen to the opinion of someone who matters ie not that cretinous Boris lad

 

[Ian1779]

So we sit in lockdown for another few months and the country becomes economically ruined and bankrupt and millions are unemployed.....we need to start getting things going like every other country, if the vaccine don’t work we’ve got to live with this forever! We need that track and trace to be properly working now I agree it should have been in place weeks and weeks ago

But we do not have a plan. All we have is a series of knee jerk reactions from the government as they feel pressure from ‘interested parties’

The last 2 weeks have been a disorganised shambles - even you are acknowledging it with the schools, the track and trace and then Cummings.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

But we do not have a plan. All we have is a series of knee jerk reactions from the government as they feel pressure from ‘interested parties’

The last 2 weeks have been a disorganised shambles - even you are acknowledging it with the schools, the track and trace and then Cummings.

Yes schools shouldn’t be opened till September now I don’t think it’s worth the risk.....also we should have had track and trace months ago up and ready

 

[Ian1779]

The fact is he shouldn’t have to say it - he needs to because too many people are fucking morons.

This is when leadership has to model this and take the lead.

 

[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

So we sit in lockdown for another few months and the country becomes economically ruined and bankrupt and millions are unemployed.....we need to start getting things going like every other country, if the vaccine don’t work we’ve got to live with this forever! We need that track and trace to be properly working now I agree it should have been in place weeks and weeks ago

Spain went into its lockdown 1 week before the UK. Unlike the UK being rules only, not enforceable by the police (my wife's uncle is in the police force in Bedfordshire) Spains rules were set in Law.

We were only permitted out to go to the shop for FOOD at our nearest store, also we could go to the pharmacy and medical appointments. That was it. If we went out in the car only the driver was permitted to travel except if taking a member of the family, from the same household, to a medical appointment, even then they had to sit on the back seat. My son needed a permit to drive to work.
Madrid and Barcelona are still in full lockdown now as they have not met the criteria to come out of lockdown. Alot of Spanish live in apartments with no private outdoor space so are pretty much locked indoors.

5 weeks ago we were finally allowed out to exercise, different age groups given different times of the day. Businesses were only allowed to reopen 3 weeks ago, mainly by appointment only.

Bearing this in mind the Canary Islands are made up of 14 islands, 7 larger with 10,000+ inhabitants.
El Hierro (pop 10,968) had 3 cases, 0 deaths
La Gomera (pop 21, 503) had 8 cases, 0 deaths
Fuerteventura (pop 116,886) had 45 cases no deaths
Still had to go under full lockdown.

The other islands.
Lanzarote (pop 152,289) 84 cases, 6 deaths.
La Palma (82,671) 95 cases, 6 deaths.
Gran Canaria (851,231) 575 cases, 38 deaths.
Tenerife (917,841) 1,470 cases, 106 deaths.

And yet the uk is now about 5 weeks behind Spain.

Whilst we were in full lockdown I wished we could go out to the likes of 'B&Q' to get some jobs done, but we couldn't.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The fact is he shouldn’t have to say it - he needs to because too many people are fucking morons.

This is when leadership has to model this and take the lead.

We have a self serving model

 

[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

Yes schools shouldn’t be opened till September now I don’t think it’s worth the risk.....also we should have had track and trace months ago up and ready

Surely you wanted everything back to normal now, how do some parents work if their kids are not back in school?

By the way Spains schools not likely to reopen until mid June, summer holidays start around June 20th in Spain, they normally go back around 10th September.

 

[chiefdave]

You might want to do some research into Sikora before you quote him.

For a start his area of work is cancer. He's employed by AstraZeneca, the company who have been signed up to manufacture and distribute the Oxford vaccine. Past that he's made some very dubious claims, Imperial College had to take legal action as he repeatedly, falsely, claimed he was a professor of cancer medicine there.

He's also a bit of a right wing nut. Campaigned for the republicans against Obamacare and is anti-NHS describing it as communist.

 

[wingy]

Why I quit working on Boris Johnson's ‘world-beating' test-and-tracing system | Anonymous

This is accurate as have family signed up to work on this

 

[wingy]

No reason there will be a spike if people follow the guidelines and rules mate? It’s not like everything is opening straight away, things are being opened slowly and safely

Dom , you should have been watching Sky yesterday afternoon .
They had a female reporter out at some park .
She'd been asking poeple what they would do now things are being relaxed .
It sounded like 'Party On ' in her words .

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why I quit working on Boris Johnson's ‘world-beating' test-and-tracing system | Anonymous

This is accurate as have family signed up to work on this

That reads very much like the census training FWIW. Capita?

 

[chiefdave]

Why I quit working on Boris Johnson's ‘world-beating' test-and-tracing system | Anonymous

This is accurate as have family signed up to work on this

I'm definitely more confident in Johnsons promised world beating track and trace system having read that.

What a shambles. Is there any other job in which you can so consistently be completely incompetent with no consequences?

 

[wingy]

That reads very much like the census training FWIW. Capita?

Think it's Serco.

 

[David O'Day]

Why are you posting that crank who is a cancer doctor not a virologist and has been discredited as a crank







He's not an expert and he has a dodgy history





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[David O'Day]

Think it's Serco.

The link to the unable to log in screen was a link to a sitel page.

They are just as bad.

But I think it maybe multiple companies

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[chiefdave]

Two more members of SAGE to add to the 'its too early' list.

As well as John Edmunds OBE (Dean of the Faculty of Epidemiology and Population Health and Professor of Infectious Disease Modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine) and Sir Jeremy Farrar OBE (director of the Wellcome Trust and previously Professor of Tropical Medicine at the University of Oxford) we can now add Calum Semple (Professor of Child Health and Outbreak Medicine at the University of Liverpool and a consultant respiratory paediatrician at Alder Hey) and Peter Horby (Professor of Emerging Infectious Diseases and Global Health at the University of Oxford, former, and founding, Director of the Oxford University Clinical Research Unit in Hanoi and founder of the epidemic disease Research Group Oxford).

Still, I'm sure Johnson and Cummings know best.


Has anyone else noticed that not a single scientific advisor on SAGE has come out and said this is what they advised the government to do?

 

[robbiekeane]

Genuine question, saw this on the BBC:


They show one Sage meeting on 23 April estimated there would be only 1,000 cases per day by mid-May.

Instead, estimates by the Office for National Statistics suggest there are currently 8,000 cases per day in England alone. Those figures do not include cases in care homes or hospitals.
y the Office for National Statistics suggest there are currently 8,000 cases per day in England alone. Those figures do not include cases in care homes or hospitals.


Anyway in worldometer the daily new cases is averaging 1500-2000 ish. What am I missing, are they different measures?

 

[fernandopartridge]

So obvious from this that it will have been similar in the UK! I rekon even before then it was spreading

Yes, it is published fact that we had cases in early Feb. That plane load of people were quarantined on 30 Jan

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[fernandopartridge]

So if we do have a hard lockdown for many more months do you not think the top bit will happen? We need to try and find a safe balance and that’s why they released the new Workplace safety guidelines, if we follow them there is no reason why another spike will happen

We do not and never have had a hard lockdown. What a bunch of entitled cunts we are in this country

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[chiefdave]

Genuine question, saw this on the BBC:


They show one Sage meeting on 23 April estimated there would be only 1,000 cases per day by mid-May.

Instead, estimates by the Office for National Statistics suggest there are currently 8,000 cases per day in England alone. Those figures do not include cases in care homes or hospitals.
y the Office for National Statistics suggest there are currently 8,000 cases per day in England alone. Those figures do not include cases in care homes or hospitals.


Anyway in worldometer the daily new cases is averaging 1500-2000 ish. What am I missing, are they different measures?

ONS is an estimate based on the available data, as we don't have enough testing to have a 'true' number. Maybe the worldometer number is the number of confirmed cases (as in those who have a negative test).

 

[Marty]

Mmm. A Japanese car maker that uses its U.K. plant to sell cars in the EU duty free? How could brexit effect that? Still, at least the Sunderland workers can relax safe in the knowledge that a French company isn’t a major stakeholder in Nissan. Oh, wait...

Oh, wait...

Nissan backs UK plant but protests erupt in Spain

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Seen a few cretins on facebook saying "I don't think Greece can afford to pick and choose" - I really think this country has got so obsessed with perceived wealth, it's fucking rotten.

Given we've still got high incidents of the virus and our renowned behaviour abroad we'd pose a massive risk of taking the virus there and pushing them into a second wave and another costly lockdown. Better to lose our money and stay open IMO.

 

[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

I dont know if you can open this link.
But it shows what power the police have over here. A passenger boarded a bus in Gran Canaria without wearing a mask, the driver asked him to wear a mask or get off (it is now law in spain to wear a mask in public place since last Wednesday but on public transport (inc. Taxis) it has been law since March).

The police will have asked the passenger to get off before forcefully removing him.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No reason there will be a spike if people follow the guidelines and rules mate? It’s not like everything is opening straight away, things are being opened slowly and safely

How do you know they're being opened safely? It is cos the govt told you so? Because they've not made any mistakes or told any lies recently.....

 

[David O'Day]

Absolutely no social distancing all over the country.

Ffs people

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