Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (18 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Furlough extended again

At least it's an early decision, this time.

Tell you what, there's a job come up I fancy. The downside is that in normal times it'd require me to go in to an office 150 miles away, which they'd expect... post-pandemic.

The way it's going, part of me wonders if I should take my chances on being able to work from home for a year, before finding another job!

 

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[bezzer]

What if their parents need someone to come around and do things on their behalf?

Well you don't send a school child round to fix it!

A little story for you. My parents boiler packed up in October. Local gas company who they have their service plan with turned up. Engineers masked and gloved up. Fixed the boiler and sanitised everything they'd touched. That's how things can be done and be as safe as is possible.

 

[Grendel]

How big a fine would you give me for seeing my last grandparent on Christmas Day?

Transportation to Devils Island

 

[bezzer]

How big a fine would you give me for seeing my last grandparent on Christmas Day?

What are you on about? Why would I fine you?

My Father is 83, suffers from dementia. I've not been able to hug him since the end of February. Will I see him over Christmas? No.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well you don't send a school child round to fix it!

A little story for you. My parents boiler packed up in October. Local gas company who they have their service plan with turned up. Engineers masked and gloved up. Fixed the boiler and sanitised everything they'd touched. That's how things can be done and be as safe as is possible.

Hate to break it to you but masks do not guarantee no transmission particularly in indoor spaces. Expecting the elderly to be alone for a year is just unrealistic

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What are you on about? Why would I fine you?

My Father is 83, suffers from dementia. I've not been able to hug him since the end of February. Will I see him over Christmas? No.

You think it’s down to selfishness. What punishment should people get for wanting to see family for one day?

 

[bezzer]

Hate to break it to you but masks do not guarantee no transmission particularly in indoor spaces. Expecting the elderly to be alone for a year is just unrealistic

Christ, talk about deflecting the conversation!

Where did I say masks stopped the transmission of COVID? Show me. The fact they wore masks, gloves and sanitized everywhere they'd touched was the point I was making.

Go on deflect again and tell me sanitising isn't a guarantee to stop the spread.

Why is it unrealistic? My parents have been alone since March. My In-Laws have too. As has my neighbour.

 

[bezzer]

You think it’s down to selfishness. What punishment should people get for wanting to see family for one day?

Selfishness? Again, what are you on about?

Why are you asking me about punishment? If you want to see your family that's your choice. Nobody is going to fine you, you'd be adhering to the Christmas guidelines. My choice is to not see mine.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Christ, talk about deflecting the conversation!

Where did I say masks stopped the transmission of COVID? Show me. The fact they wore masks, gloves and sanitized everywhere they'd touched was the point I was making.

Go on deflect again and tell me sanitising isn't a guarantee to stop the spread.

Why is it unrealistic? My parents have been alone since March. My In-Laws have too. As has my neighbour.

The research done on transmission shows that it is predominantly through droplets and aerosols, surface transmission is much less of an issue. Hence we did not see much of a spike over the summer despite huge numbers gathering outdoors.

You seem to be as pissed off as me to be fair.

 

[derbyskyblue]

I'm under pressure as we have the son in law , his wife and granddaughter coming on boxing day from dublin. Their idea of social distancing is to space out a little more while doing the oops upside your head rowing boat dance thing....i shit you not !!! fortunately my lad lives in the same road and he is as good as gold with his social distancing.....think ill decamp to his his then.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s denying people treatment for serious illness for fear of catching the great asymptomatic virus. Yes I’m being emotional with it I just see and hear the stories and find it baffling .

It’s more those that have bad symptoms and in need of help

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s more those that have bad symptoms and in need of help

I understand Pete but we are incurring some fairly monstrous collateral damage in the process.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Sad though it is, treatment for illness always has to weigh up capacity and cost, rather than just treating everything, even outside of a pandemic.

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Coventry/Warwickshire | Drummer's fight to prolong life

news.bbc.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Its not irrational there are several areas of society where judgements are made regarding deaths and cost benefit analysis is used to see if the cost is worth actually paying. This is on a much bigger scale of course but the argument remains the same

The problem is that covid cuts across absolutely everything, it isn't self contained. You can't just say "we'll let the virus run wild as it kills mostly elderly" because the demand on hospitals from patients elderly or not would completely overwhelm the NHS and lead to all sorts of other treatment being cancelled.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I understand Pete but we are incurring some fairly monstrous collateral damage in the process.

Yep caused by covid though and the consequences of it

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Macron's turn to catch it.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

35383 today is that the 11000 welsh cases

 

[xcraigx]

35383 today is that the 11000 welsh cases

That includes the Welsh backlog - ordinarily they would have been announcing 2000 or so cases, but announced 11,500 so the real UK figure is around 26,000.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That includes the Welsh backlog - ordinarily they would have been announcing 2000 or so cases, but announced 11,500 so the real UK figure is around 26,000.

Still up on last week then

 

[David O'Day]

will todays news that places with decreasing case numbers not being reduced lead to great restriction fatigue meaning people do more stupid things in the xmas 5 day? Leading to more cases and deaths

 

[David O'Day]

 

[wingy]

will todays news that places with decreasing case numbers not being reduced lead to great restriction fatigue meaning people do more stupid things in the xmas 5 day? Leading to more cases and deaths

Mmmm!
Like Cardiff the other week in had hoards of visitors across the the bridge to take advantage of the lower restrictions in the region.

 

[David O'Day]

Mmmm!
Like Cardiff the other week in had hoards of visitors across the the bridge to take advantage of the lower restrictions in the region.

more a case of if you are single you can form for 5 nights only a big fuck off bubble and get fucked up in peoples houses

 

[wingy]

Big question on Newsnight tonight around a letter to Cabinet regards lateral flow tests and their accuracy or lack of .
It was in a different context to the question of the late late protocol announced for schoolkids in the New year,dated 11thDec from some bigwig.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Big question on Newsnight tonight around a letter to Cabinet regards lateral flow tests and their accuracy or lack of .
It was in a different context to the question of the late late protocol announced for schoolkids in the New year,dated 11thDec from some bigwig.

Yep it’s why they do two tests. Also it doesn’t give many false positives just a high false negatives

 

[skybluetony176]

The problem is that covid cuts across absolutely everything, it isn't self contained. You can't just say "we'll let the virus run wild as it kills mostly elderly" because the demand on hospitals from patients elderly or not would completely overwhelm the NHS and lead to all sorts of other treatment being cancelled.

Don’t let facts cloud your judgement will you

 

[Ian1779]

Looking forward to adding ‘untrained Cov-ID tester’ to my skill set.

 

[fernandopartridge]

will todays news that places with decreasing case numbers not being reduced lead to great restriction fatigue meaning people do more stupid things in the xmas 5 day? Leading to more cases and deaths

Possibly, the lack of transparency over decision making annoys me, what are the criteria and how are they weighted!?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Walked past the local cricket club by me where they seem to be constructing a marquee in the car park. Can't see it being for a function so wonder if it's a covid vaccination centre...

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Possibly, the lack of transparency over decision making annoys me, what are the criteria and how are they weighted!?

That really would be a Pandora’s box wouldnt it? Don’t get me wrong I’d hate to be making the decisions and it really is a shit storm across Europe. However it does seem other governments see the facts and react where as we take a good look at them, smell them, turn them over and over and then eventually when left without a choice, we make a decision

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Walked past the local cricket club by me where they seem to be constructing a marquee in the car park. Can't see it being for a function so wonder if it's a covid vaccination centre...

Likely. Where’s that?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Likely. Where’s that?

Not in Coventry, I live in Derbyshire

 

[David O'Day]

Possibly, the lack of transparency over decision making annoys me, what are the criteria and how are they weighted!?

The local decision in Coventry according to DHSC is based on a perceived increase in cases which is at best very small. The cases in coventry according to them are below the national average and hospital and icu usage is also below the national average.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The local decision in Coventry according to DHSC is based on a perceived increase in cases which is at best very small. The cases in coventry according to them are below the national average and hospital and icu usage is also below the national average.

Tbh though the national average has gone up by a third in a week or two and is far too high, so being below it isn't exactly fantastic. However, the rules should be applied consistently.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Tbh though the national average has gone up by a third in a week or two and is far too high, so being below it isn't exactly fantastic. However, the rules should be applied consistently.

Anything over 1 in 10000 isn’t good and has been treated as a problem all along