Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (11 Viewers)

[PVA]

I’d imagine most of these arguments have been made but may be lost in the bickering

Morrison’s won’t be the first or the last. Shmmeee mentioned I think Delta Airlines have bumped up PMI costs for unvaccinated staff which is far worse.

Whilst I don’t like backdoor mandating people to take vaccines (I’ve always felt it should be individuals choice). You can understand Morrison’s position. Currently if youre double jabbed and pinged you don’t have to quarantine. If you’re not you should. Also we don’t know how many people might’ve taken the piss with being pinged and staying off work for a couple of weeks ?! It would be relatively easy to do if you know someone who’s got covid.

They are still paying sick pay if you get covid (vaccinated or unvaccinated) or have symptoms. In addition the more people vaccinated the less likely internal spread at the company and/or to customers

Id they were cutting sick pay for unvaccinated who actually caught covid, I’d 100% be against it. Also theyve potentially caused a new issue of people without symptoms ignoring the ping and still going in and spreading ! Not good.

Good post. My thoughts exactly.

But be prepared to be called a thick twat, incredibly right wing, and that you've just written your forum suicide note for holding such views.

 

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[Philosoraptor]

Yet they have a stricter policy than England regarding mask wearing

Yes, schools though have gone back earlier than in England by a few weeks. Maybe there's a correlation.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Could be a number of things though.

The lifting of restrictions, The seasonal change affecting the country earlier because of being further North etc.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yes, schools though have gone back earlier than in England by a few weeks. Maybe there's a correlation.

Defo a correlation with schools returning but didnt Sturgeon also kept things closed/restrictions in place longer ? I’m hoping we’ve had a more gradual spread over summer south of the border..…ever there optimist ! There will undoubtedly be an increase though

 

[CCFCSteve]

You would think if people are choosing not to be vaccinated they won't have the app installed to get pinged.

Very good point. Not thought of that. So basically it will just cut out those unvaccinated abusing the ping ! No harm done

 

[Philosoraptor]

I think this is where the Governments idea of Covid passports starts coming into play, to start to stem the tide of this thing.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Good post. My thoughts exactly.

But be prepared to be called a thick twat, incredibly right wing, and that you've just written your forum suicide note for holding such views.

Haha, I’ve been writing forum suicide notes for years

 

[Philosoraptor]

Expecting measures over the next few days for anyone who has not been vaccinated not being allowed into places etc.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Expecting measures over the next few days for anyone who has not been vaccinated not being allowed into places etc.

Yeah, heard the government ‘winter plan’ (we got one this year !!!) will be announced next week/soon with measures they will take to prevent a big wave, hopefully without need for lockdowns….we’ll see !

 

[Philosoraptor]

Think they may be a bit too late though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah, heard the government ‘winter plan’ (we got one this year !!!) will be announced next week/soon with measures they will take to prevent a big wave, hopefully without need for lockdowns….we’ll see !

I wish they'd just announce things without all this leaking / testing the water however.

What's appropriate (whatever it may or may not be!) is not necessarily what's populist!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You would think if people are choosing not to be vaccinated they won't have the app installed to get pinged.

Come on Nick not this again. The app is advisory, test and trace is not

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Come on Nick not this again. The app is advisory, test and trace is not

tbf to Nick, he was responding to a post specifically about people being pinged, rather than test and trace as a whole.

 

[Nick]

Come on Nick not this again. The app is advisory, test and trace is not

If people who don't get sick pay don't want to isolate, they won't bother with the app and test and trace.

I've never had the app installed.

Therefore it encourages people to go to work if they have knowingly been around people with covid.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If people who don't get sick pay don't want to isolate, they won't bother with the app and test and trace.

I've never had the app installed.

Therefore it encourages people to go to work if they have knowingly been around people with covid.

Test and trace phone you and it’s illegal to ignore

 

[Nick]

Test and trace phone you and it’s illegal to ignore

They won't phone you if they don't have your details.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They won't phone you if they don't have your details.

Others have your details as a close contact that’s how that works. Lol

 

[Nick]

Others have your details as a close contact that’s how that works. Lol

Like I said, they can't phone you if they don't have your details.

How do you think people who are self employed or don't get sick pay have done it since the start?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Like I said, they can't phone you if they don't have your details.

How do you think people who are self employed or don't get sick pay have done it since the start?

Picked and chose the laws they follow most likely and probably increased infections and caused deaths by transmitting the virus. But hey it’s ok like speeding and jumping a red light

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

starting to feel a bit better , the wife’s had 3 lateral flow and 3 pcr tests which have all come back negative

But she’s wiped out with a cold , more importantly our daughter is getting better too although her sense of smell and taste haven’t come back yet

 

[Nick]

Picked and chose the laws they follow most likely and probably increased infections and caused deaths by transmitting the virus. But hey it’s ok like speeding and jumping a red light

Not everybody gets full pay to isolate so they won't. Same with places like Morrisons.

It's as simple as that, let's make out they are all murderers though.

The law is only if you have a positive test or are pinged, isn't it?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not everybody gets full pay to isolate so they won't. Same with places like Morrisons.

It's as simple as that, let's make out they are all murderers though.

The law is only if you have a positive test or are pinged, isn't it?

Lol not individual murders no of course but individual decisions have individual consequences it’s not rocket science

And no if you are contacted by test and trace and are not double vaccinated then It’s a legal requirement (though completely unenforceable) to isolate

I completely understand no pay people having to make the decision they have been

it’s not without consequence though

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Lol not individual murders no of course but individual decisions have individual consequences it’s not rocket science

And no if you are contacted by test and trace and are not double vaccinated then It’s a legal requirement (though completely unenforceable) to isolate

I completely understand no pay people having to make the decision they have been

it’s not without consequence though

If the choice was not get paid or keep going in when infected then it’s not really a choice is it? The problem is SSP while better than nothing still incentivises people to do the wrong thing and come in if they’re ill.

 

[Nick]

Lol not individual murders no of course but individual decisions have individual consequences it’s not rocket science

And no if you are contacted by test and trace and are not double vaccinated then It’s a legal requirement (though completely unenforceable) to isolate

I completely understand no pay people having to make the decision they have been

it’s not without consequence though

So yeah... The more people who get no pay to isolate, the less people who will.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So yeah... The more people who get no pay to isolate, the less people who will.

Yep

 

[PVA]

That majority of companies are only paying SSP.

Of course Morrisons are far right Nazis though for paying most of their employees more, with a small minority getting SSP.

 

[chiefdave]

What are Morrisons actually doing? Are they removing the temporary changes they made to their sick pay so that it covered those who were having to self isolate or are they saying those who aren't vaccinated won't get sick pay in any circumstances?

 

[PVA]

What are Morrisons actually doing? Are they removing the temporary changes they made to their sick pay so that it covered those who were having to self isolate or are they saying those who aren't vaccinated won't get sick pay in any circumstances?

The actual details haven't been released.

But it appears to be a case of simply only paying SSP to non vaccinated people when they have to self isolate (no mention about what happens if they actually get Covid).

Which is totally fair enough considering vaccinated people don't have to isolate if pinged.

It's crime of the century though according to some on here. Or maybe they've calmed down and realised they might have over reacted a bit.

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

Official - passports not happening;

England vaccine passport plans ditched, Sajid Javid says

The health secretary rules out the scheme for nightclubs and large events, following much criticism.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Sick Boy]

Official - passports not happening;

England vaccine passport plans ditched, Sajid Javid says

The health secretary rules out the scheme for nightclubs and large events, following much criticism.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yet another u-turn.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The actual details haven't been released.

But it appears to be a case of simply only paying SSP to non vaccinated people when they have to self isolate (no mention about what happens if they actually get Covid).

Which is totally fair enough considering vaccinated people don't have to isolate if pinged.

It's crime of the century though according to some on here. Or maybe they've calmed down and realised they might have over reacted a bit.

Think it’s just pinged. I read somewhere that if they have symptoms or Covid unvaccinated will still get full sick pay.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yet another u-turn.

You wonder if this was the plan all along to encourage younger people to get jabbed. If so, probably not a bad shout.

 

[shmmeee]

You wonder if this was the plan all along to encourage younger people to get jabbed. If so, probably not a bad shout.

Has it increased take up just from a rumour in the politics pages?

 

[PVA]

Think it’s just pinged. I read somewhere that if they have symptoms or Covid unvaccinated will still get full sick pay.

Truly horrific stuff from the Morrisons Nazis.

Think a few people owe me an apology.

 

[skybluetony176]

Official - passports not happening;

England vaccine passport plans ditched, Sajid Javid says

The health secretary rules out the scheme for nightclubs and large events, following much criticism.

www.bbc.co.uk

Knee jerk reaction to popularity rates and voting intentions falling.