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chiefdave · May 20, 2021

PVA said:
There is definitely an attitude in this country of not wanting free stuff for yourself because you don't want other people to have free stuff.

People put a priority on making sure others don't get free stuff, even at the expense of themselves getting it.

There was a discussion on moving to a 4 day week on Radio 4 - this was pre-pandemic. One of the economists on there was from a Nordic country, can't remember which one, and couldn't get his head round why people were against improving things for others if they didn't directly benefit.

We had it on here recently with the discussion on WFH post covid. Some of those who have jobs where they can't WFH weren't happy that some peoples work / life balance (hate that phrase) might improve.

chiefdave · May 20, 2021

This isn't the Labour, or Corbyn, nationalise the railways plan anyway is it? This seems more like the taxpayer foots the bill for decades of under investment by franchisees but private companies still pocket the money just that they're now under a GBR branding rather than their individual companies.

I'd be amazed if this doesn't end up with more taxpayer money being handed over.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 20, 2021

shmmeee said:
People like individual policies in isolation but that’s not the same as liking the program as a whole and trusting the people proposing it to deliver.

Indeed. Best just to vote for guaranteed crap than dare be an optimist.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 20, 2021

chiefdave said:
There was a discussion on moving to a 4 day week on Radio 4 - this was pre-pandemic. One of the economists on there was from a Nordic country, can't remember which one, and couldn't get his head round why people were against improving things for others if they didn't directly benefit.

We had it on here recently with the discussion on WFH post covid. Some of those who have jobs where they can't WFH weren't happy that some peoples work / life balance (hate that phrase) might improve.

I've wondered for a while why we don't have two people both working three and a half days each as opposed to 1 person doing a 5 day week.

Similarly why we don't have three 8 hour shift patterns rather than a 9-5 ethos and then most things shut. In this day and age with global trade, technology and a much less prevalent religious reasoning I don't see why we don't have a 24/7 economy.

Grendel · May 20, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I've wondered for a while why we don't have two people both working three and a half days each as opposed to 1 person doing a 5 day week.

Similarly why we don't have three 8 hour shift patterns rather than a 9-5 ethos and then most things shut. In this day and age with global trade, technology and a much less prevalent religious reasoning I don't see why we don't have a 24/7 economy.

Is this a serious post?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 20, 2021

Grendel said:
Is this a serious post?

Yep. Remember the arguments over Sunday trading? Same idea. Only thing people could argue against it was it was different to what they were used to and religion.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 20, 2021

chiefdave said:
There was a discussion on moving to a 4 day week on Radio 4 - this was pre-pandemic. One of the economists on there was from a Nordic country, can't remember which one, and couldn't get his head round why people were against improving things for others if they didn't directly benefit.

We had it on here recently with the discussion on WFH post covid. Some of those who have jobs where they can't WFH weren't happy that some peoples work / life balance (hate that phrase) might improve.

Because invariably most WFH jobs are middle class or above.

Deleted member 4439 · May 20, 2021

Israel approves Gaza ceasefire to halt 11-day conflict

Netanyahu’s office announces ‘mutual and simultaneous’ truce

www.theguardian.com

wingy · May 20, 2021

Macron!
Trying to restrict filming or images of police when doing their Dodgy shit. twat.

clint van damme · May 21, 2021

wingy said:
Macron!
Trying to restrict filming or images of police when doing their Dodgy shit. twat.

The way the French police force(s) behaved during the yellow vest protests I'm not surprised.

shmmeee · May 21, 2021

Really interesting analysis on voter groups

What's right for centre-right parties - UK in a changing Europe

Noam Gidron on how centre-right parties across Western Europe are facing electoral challenges and may be losing their grip.

ukandeu.ac.uk

Tl;dr: people with a mix of views (left wing socially/right wing economically or visa versa) both prioritise their conservative views over their progressive ones and often only holding one conservative view is enough to make them vote for the right.

AOM · May 21, 2021

chiefdave said:
More performative nonsense.

The new series of Line of Duty looks rubbish

Deleted member 4439 · May 21, 2021

She loves it, doesn't she? She's to immigration (old and new) what Tebbit was to workers.

Deleted member 4439 · May 21, 2021

I see she's having a go at the Beeb about not having done a thorough investigation over the Bashir i/v (though me thinks Princes are wrapping up all of their understandable press contempt on a single man/org); yet she was quick to close down any investigation into her bullying, in the process using using taxpayer's money for the payoff.

clint van damme · May 21, 2021

dubed said:
I see she's having a go at the Beeb about not having done a thorough investigation over the Bashir i/v (though me thinks Princes are wrapping up all of their understand press contempt on a single man/org); yet she was quick to close down any investigation into her bullying, in the process using using taxpayer's mosey for the payoff.

In the week stifled the release of the Daniel Morgan report the hypocrisy is breathtaking.

But then we're talking about a woman who wants to deny people the same refuge in this country her parents were afforded.

PVA · May 21, 2021

Patel is a horrible, spiteful, vindictive person.

Nick · May 21, 2021

PVA said:
Patel is a horrible, spiteful, vindictive person.

Bet she is a filthy bitch though.

shmmeee · May 22, 2021

Nick said:
Bet she is a filthy bitch though.

Nah. You’d get her watch you wank as a birthday present and expect to be glad about it. She’s 100% that sort of woman who thinks sex is dirty and only does it under duress. No one with that level of moral disgust can be a decent shag.

skybluetony176 · May 22, 2021

So. Murdoch wedding guest says she needs to vet independent enquiry into a murder that the Murdoch press is entwined in

Daniel Morgan’s son says Priti Patel has added to family’s agony | Police | The Guardian

Home secretary urged to ‘bring our torture to an end’ by allowing publication of report into police and media corruption<br>

amp.theguardian.com

Nothing to see here.

PVA · May 22, 2021

It's going to be redacted to shit once she's finished with it.

And she'll probably do it while wearing that stupid police coat from the previous page to get an extra kick out of it.

Nick · May 22, 2021

shmmeee said:
Nah. You’d get her watch you wank as a birthday present and expect to be glad about it. She’s 100% that sort of woman who thinks sex is dirty and only does it under duress. No one with that level of moral disgust can be a decent shag.

Nah, if she is willing to let people die in the english channel she is going to do things to you that are probably illegal in most countries.

wingy · May 22, 2021

Publish and be dammed.

Evo1883 · May 22, 2021

Skybluefaz · May 22, 2021

Evo1883 said:

Quality, up the glory tory boys.

Evo1883 · May 22, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
Quality, up the glory tory boys.

Not for me mate , just highlighting the state of play

Grendel · May 22, 2021

New party of the working class this is becoming more and more obvious

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 22, 2021

Grendel said:
New party pretending to be of the working class this is becoming more and more obvious

Fixed

shmmeee · May 22, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Not for me mate , just highlighting the state of play

Only way is up?

In all seriousness, being objective there’s a lot of temporary boosts in place for the Tories right now, we won’t vaccinate everyone and open the pubs and do Brexit and win an election every year.

If we’re still miles behind this time next year I might start taking the death of the party stuff seriously, but right now is a terrible time to make any long term judgments.

Evo1883 · May 22, 2021

shmmeee said:
Only way is up?

In all seriousness, being objective there’s a lot of temporary boosts in place for the Tories right now, we won’t vaccinate everyone and open the pubs and do Brexit and win an election every year.

If we’re still miles behind this time next year I might start taking the death of the party stuff seriously, but right now is a terrible time to make any long term judgments.

Il go with that

Grendel · May 22, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Fixed

No that’s the Labour stance and is why no one votes for them anymore

Brighton Sky Blue · May 22, 2021

Grendel said:
No that’s the Labour stance and is why no one votes for them anymore

I guess wrecking the industry of an entire region and then getting them to vote for you on the back of a 3 word slogan is good going. Then throwing in a few bribes as a 'reward' for voting for the party instead of spending money in these places for the last 10 years.

Funnily enough they'll only keep those votes if they govern as the Labour Party intends to each time

Grendel · May 22, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I guess wrecking the industry of an entire region and then getting them to vote for you on the back of a 3 word slogan is good going. Then throwing in a few bribes as a 'reward' for voting for the party instead of spending money in these places for the last 10 years.

Funnily enough they'll only keep those votes if they govern as the Labour Party intends to each time

Well the Tories governed for many years under thatcher - guess she must have done the same

Brighton Sky Blue · May 22, 2021

Grendel said:
Well the Tories governed for many years under thatcher - guess she must have done the same

Yeah and they lost nearly all their Scottish seats in the process plus made no inroads in the communities she ruined. Just a few decades for that to be forgotten because an Etonian said 3 words and promised the economic investment that the left has been calling for all along

Grendel · May 22, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yeah and they lost nearly all their Scottish seats in the process plus made no inroads in the communities she ruined. Just a few decades for that to be forgotten because an Etonian said 3 words and promised the economic investment that the left has been calling for all along

Only 2 Labour politicians have actually been elected as prime minister in the last 60 years haven’t they?

The one before that was privately educated

Brighton Sky Blue · May 22, 2021

Grendel said:
Only 2 Labour politicians have actually been elected as prime minister in the last 60 years haven’t they?

The one before that was privately educated

A neat sidestep G, but the main thing is people want more economic investment into their local areas not less, which up until Mr Johnson arrived the Conservative Party would keep telling us was 'the magic money tree'. Yet the party has been rewarded for ignoring these places for the past decade and ruining their local industries in the 80s.

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