Brighton Sky Blue
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Blair at least had half a brain and made a vague effort to do his job properly
Blair had Campbell at the heart of government who was implicit in a suspicious motive for a war and also the death of an individual who was bullied and harangued.
Funny how Cummings pretends to be all Innocent, lets not forget he was part of it last March the twat. It's probably all lies coming from his mouth.
He’s going nuclear on the orders of his puppet masterIt's what I don't get. He's throwing himself under the bus as much as anyone else. He was a major player and advisor at this time, so whatever happened is on him too, regardless of what he says. If he thinks he shouldn't have been in that position, there was nothing stopping him saying 'No - I'm not suitable'.
Also he's doing it confirming what I've always thought. He is a bitter vile c*** who couldn't give a shit about the truth. This is all a grudge about getting sacked.
Annoyingly the govt will prob get away with it purely because it's coming from his mouth, and no-one believes a word he says. It's like he watched The Thick Of It and used it as a training manual.
If you substitute "IT consultant" for senior managers within the NHS that statement is accurate beyond belief!!
How these people, with absolutely no knowledge, understanding and insight into the decisions they make and how they will impact on the people and service they are in charge of stay in post is unbelievable. The way they rewrite history, glossing over the fuck up's they have initiated and learn nothing from their mistakes is endemic and becomes the 'cultural norm'.
It's what I don't get. He's throwing himself under the bus as much as anyone else. He was a major player and advisor at this time, so whatever happened is on him too, regardless of what he says. If he thinks he shouldn't have been in that position, there was nothing stopping him saying 'No - I'm not suitable'.
Also he's doing it confirming what I've always thought. He is a bitter vile c*** who couldn't give a shit about the truth. This is all a grudge about getting sacked.
Annoyingly the govt will prob get away with it purely because it's coming from his mouth, and no-one believes a word he says. It's like he watched The Thick Of It and used it as a training manual.
Whilst I agree with your overall point he is at least admitting fault and blame, which is more than Johnson and Hancock will ever do.
True. has he said much about Gove? As I'm certain he's looking to get him in to replace Boris as his next puppet since he's decided to let Carrie tell him what to do instead of Cummings.
Senior leadership within the civil service is indeed key here. Now, to be clear, there are some very capable people at that level, and who justly hold their position in terms of the person's experience, aptitude, and intelligence. But (perhaps more than in the private sector) promotions at mid-manager level and above in the civil service rely as much on networking than in having in full measure these qualities or a record of delivery.
Those in higher positions but who are inept and inexperienced fall very easily for the out and out consultant bluffers, especially when these pander to held prejudices and simple beliefs. And because it's very difficult to evidence value in a non-profit organisation delivering public goods, any non-delivery or screw-ups is easy to cover up by the use of smoke and mirrors, including defection for blame
So yes, absolutely, those in headship positions (divisional directors an above) are ultimately the issue here.
Blair had Campbell at the heart of government who was implicit in a suspicious motive for a war and also the death of an individual who was bullied and harangued.
I think eventually Boris will be the Tories Blair. And he’d have earned it. Flag waving only gets you so far. Cool Britannia and all that.Noted: don’t vote for Tony Blair next election.
I think eventually Boris will be the Tories Blair. And he’d have earned it. Flag waving only gets you so far. Cool Britannia and all that.
Boris Johnson dreams of being half the politician Blair was. Say what you like about his decisions but Blair was always across the detail of his brief. Thatcher was the Tory Blair, there are Thatcherites and Blairites in both parties still, there’ll never be Johnsonites.
Blair had Campbell at the heart of government who was implicit in a suspicious motive for a war and also the death of an individual who was bullied and harangued.
It’s OK, Grendull is clearly criticising Boris’ judgment.Does that make it OK to have Cummings in such an influential role?
Laura Kuenssberg is going to be scapegoated as well as he's just admitted her he used her as a press mouthpiece.
A stretch in every sense to associate her with journalism. Secretary of State for propaganda would be more fitting.She hasn't done her job properly, she deserves whatever comes her way. A poor excuse for a journalist.
Boris Johnson dreams of being half the politician Blair was. Say what you like about his decisions but Blair was always across the detail of his brief. Thatcher was the Tory Blair, there are Thatcherites and Blairites in both parties still, there’ll never be Johnsonites.
Yep Cummings just said that in so many words that he would be prepared to pay for human guinea pig trials on for people for Covid.
Wouldn't just affect the poorest in society. No sir.
The machiavellian tendencies are crazy with him.
In a surprise to virtually no-one.He's basically showing traits of a psychopath
Yep Cummings just said that in so many words that he would be prepared to pay for human guinea pig trials on for people for Covid.
Wouldn't just affect the poorest in society. No sir.
The machiavellian tendencies are crazy with him.
He’s right though. If you’re going to kill thousands or even millions indiscriminately while you go through a slower process, you’d be mad not to try and get an order of magnitude fewer volunteers to speed it up.
Seriously though, it is against everything that a commonwealth is set up for. Basic Human Rights.
? I’ve only had it on in the background while I’m working so might have misheard but I thought he was talking about finding people who would volunteer and get huge payments if things went wrong. Where’s the human rights issue?
Yes poor people would be attracted to it, but that’s true about literally anything involving remuneration. We do this on a smaller scale with medical testing already, I had a mate at Uni who got paid to do testing. This is just increasing the risk/reward calculation.
Can't really believe I need to explain this.
Show me a trail anywhere where there is a significant chance that a healthy person might die from the trial.
I do wish you wouldn’t do the riddle me this shite. Just say what your point is. I’m guessing it’s that new virus vaccines are significantly higher risk at outset than medical trials are. And yes, I know, that’s why I said the risk reward profile changes. Stopping millions of deaths is possible in a new vaccine but not normal medical tests so the reward is much higher allowing a higher risk for the same moral calculation.
Again, it would be voluntary. This is a basic trolley problem but you can only ask people to step in front of the trolley instead of pulling a lever.
It's what I don't get. He's throwing himself under the bus as much as anyone else. He was a major player and advisor at this time, so whatever happened is on him too, regardless of what he says. If he thinks he shouldn't have been in that position, there was nothing stopping him saying 'No - I'm not suitable'.
Also he's doing it confirming what I've always thought. He is a bitter vile c*** who couldn't give a shit about the truth. This is all a grudge about getting sacked.
Annoyingly the govt will prob get away with it purely because it's coming from his mouth, and no-one believes a word he says. It's like he watched The Thick Of It and used it as a training manual.
I know many don’t like Hunt but he’s too good to be on back benches and we would’ve been far better having him in role than Hancock (not saying much I appreciate)
Spot on. I think Hancock is in big trouble though (rightly, as he’s well out of this depth).
Watched quite a bit this morning, very interesting. If I get this right he’s said government was shit, civil service was shit, initial scientific advice was shit, Johnson was shit and should never be PM (even though he helped him get in the job), Hancock was double shit, Sunak was ok and he (Cummings) tried but nobody listened....but he should never have been in that role anyway
Ps I know many don’t like Hunt but he’s too good to be on back benches and we would’ve been far better having him in role than Hancock (not saying much I appreciate)
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