If only people were this willing to hold the government to account for the last 13 years.
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If only people were this willing to hold the government to account for the last 13 years.
fernandopartridge
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All austerity politics is basically doing this to a lesser extent
Brighton Sky Blue
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He needs to learn from Trump winning that this argument will not win the election even if it’s true.
MalcSB
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Starmer - “we aren’t going to tell people how to live their lives.”
Milliband - oh yes, we are.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Milliband - oh yes, we are.
Plans to introduce 'boiler tax' for manufacturers slammed
The Energy Secretary has signed off on a proposal to impose swingeing taxes on boiler manufacturers if they fail to meet his targets for installing heat pumps.
Nick
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MadnessStarmer - “we aren’t going to tell people how to live their lives.”
Milliband - oh yes, we are.
Plans to introduce 'boiler tax' for manufacturers slammed
The Energy Secretary has signed off on a proposal to impose swingeing taxes on boiler manufacturers if they fail to meet his targets for installing heat pumps.
MalcSB
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Left wing middle class elite - “we have failed to win the argument, how can we enforce our unrealistic desires”
”Hit the bastard plebs in the pocket - again and again until they give up”
Brighton Sky Blue
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To be clear, I’m laughing at this post, not with it
MalcSB
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You may be laughing now ………………..
Brighton Sky Blue
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Oh I’m not, this government is doing fuck all for me and my wife.
shmmeee
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Starmer - “we aren’t going to tell people how to live their lives.”
Milliband - oh yes, we are.
Plans to introduce 'boiler tax' for manufacturers slammed
The Energy Secretary has signed off on a proposal to impose swingeing taxes on boiler manufacturers if they fail to meet his targets for installing heat pumps.
Tax is telling people how to live their life now?
shmmeee
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Genuine question from this: do you think climate change is a hoax?
MalcSB
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I think it is, yes. If the argument about heat pumps had been won it would be unnecessary.
Taxes can often be a means to direct people to live their lives in a certain way, eg tobacco duty and the £2 to come on a bottle of vape liquid. When I vaped I was buying them from onepoundliquid. Not hard to work out that the price will triple and threepoundliquidbuttwopounisagovernmentripoff isn’t quite as catchy.
They will be taxing meat at some point.
In the meantime, let’s cosy up to climate change drivers China to get trade benefits.
shmmeee
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It’s also a way of capturing externalities.
MalcSB
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I’m not convinced that the UK should be leading the way on this.
Im certainly not convinced that a system requiring taking heat out of cold air is going to prove all that effective, especially when the power cuts start. It is very expensive to run.
And then no one will be able to charge their cars to get to work!
MalcSB
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I have no idea what that means,
shmmeee
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The costs of something aren’t always captured in its sale price. Some things have external negative impacts (climate change pollution, increased healthcare costs etc) so we tax them to pay for those. Same argument as tax on fags and alcohol cos you have to pay for the NHS.
The argument for a climate tax isn’t nudge theory, it’s that people who emit carbon don’t pay the price to fix that at source.
shmmeee
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Heat pumps are effective. Our problem IMO is not allowing air con (a two way heat pump) as part of it, I think if we did people would see more benefits. Our other problem is my house for example has less insulation than an instagram model so heat pump just wouldn’t work until that could be fixed. I imagine I’m more common than not in that respect.
The power cuts won’t start, you’ve been reading too much right wing press. We should be building new nuclear though.
Ultimately the energy transition is happening. British homes are uniquely poorly insulated and heated.
Grendel
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It appears the peak sales have been reached and targets will be missed in Europe
Market data - European Heat Pump Association
Heat pump sales fell by 47% in the first six months of 2024, compared to […]
www.ehpa.org
shmmeee
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No same. And I don’t qualify for shit.
To be clear you aren’t paying this rumoured tax, it’s on boiler companies who fail to sell enough heat pumps.
Marty
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As you alluded too, heat pumps do not work for the majority of homes without major re work to the property.
shmmeee
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Yeah and any targets should take that into account. With respect I’m not sure we’re ever going to see eye to eye on this as you seem to think AA batteries are a woke plot.
Marty
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What the fuck are you going on about?
shmmeee
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Any electrification topic comes up and you pop up moaning about it.
Marty
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You know what, I can't even be bothered.
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chiefdave
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Basic insulation on my house would be thousands, no way I can afford that. Apparently you used to be able to get it paid for with a grant but obviously that's been stopped. Upshot is whatever heating solution I put in my house its going to be massively inefficient if the heat just goes straight out the house.
MalcSB
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"Should" is such a big but empty word. I far prefer "must".
I didn't realise I could heat my home on a couple of Duracells.
MalcSB
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Theoretically heat pumps are more efficient than boilers, producing something like 3.5 times as much heat energy as the electrical energy used to do so. Problem is electricity costs 4 times as much as gas (on my tariff) and so the heating is higher cost. So energy efficient but not cost effective.
The heat escaping from your house would escape whatever the heating system, but as heat pumps work on a lot lower temperature heating sources (e.g. radiator temperatures) and the source of heat is less extractable when outside temperatures are low (i.e. just when you need the heating on) it can make the system ineffective if mega insulation isn't installed.
MalcSB
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So the consumer want face increased costs?
Just like the working person won't end up paying the increased employer NIC costs through higher consumer prices.
CovValleyBoy
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"We will eliminate the homeless by 2008".
"The green belt is a Labour achievement & we intend to build on it".
Good for a laugh John Prescott , Labour.
"The green belt is a Labour achievement & we intend to build on it".
Good for a laugh John Prescott , Labour.
MalcSB
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You are right, it isn't nudge theory. It is a full-blown shove in the back.