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Well I hope you are right but the experience of Syia suggests this country at least will not do much.
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shmmeee
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Evo1883
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Honestly woke up so annoyed about Afghanistan and I guess many ex/ military personnel will be the same
Lives lost , regions fucked up , peoples lives altered , suicide , mental health problems of thousands of young men and women , innocent people including children dead , refugee crisis ..
And for what
So pissed off
2 friends who took there own lives after going to this shit hole ..Blair and Bush living the life of luxury leaving a trail of destruction , its devastating
Lives lost , regions fucked up , peoples lives altered , suicide , mental health problems of thousands of young men and women , innocent people including children dead , refugee crisis ..
And for what
So pissed off
2 friends who took there own lives after going to this shit hole ..Blair and Bush living the life of luxury leaving a trail of destruction , its devastating
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Taliban retaking Afghanistan makes it much more likely Islamic terrorism will breed there. You can argue that's an ideology but if a group with that ideology are in control of the country then that country becomes a potential breeding ground.
Just like the US is a breeding ground for right-wing nutjobs to go on shooting sprees.
shmmeee
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Not even against drugs. Worse than the French.
fernandopartridge
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No more so than as a country occupied by a Western power where the Taliban is resurgent anyway.
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Johnson was talking yesterday about a be a change of Government in Afghanistan, like it's the sort of change we have here after a general election.
This is an extreme regime that we have spent 20 years suppressing and which harboured Bin Ladin. To allow them back is disastrous, not just for the people of Afghanistan but for the West too.
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Very difficult not to feel this way, the strategy was just never achievable and the speed with which the Taliban are back on top makes that very clear. Sorry to hear about your friends Evo, this is going to rake over old wounds for thousands here (and mean god knows what for the average poor bastard stuck in Afghanistan).
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Complete lack of will to oppose them it would seem. We've poured billions into their security forces and they've gone through them like they weren't there (which in some places is probably the most accurate description). It will probably revert to the kind of patchwork, tribal alliances and warfare that has characterised the place for centuries, you can expect the likes of Dostum and various other war criminals to re-emerge pretty quickly to make deals and carve out areas of influence/control.
COV
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they didn’t do too bad against us tbf
Johnnythespider
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They've been allowed to
clint van damme
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It hasn't happened in7 days. The process was started during the Trump administration, I'm not sure what the Yanks are thinking.
COV
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you may be right, also technically it could maybe be classed as a civil war
COV
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saw footage of the Afghan forces scarpering with terrified & angry locals chucking rocks at them as they were being left to fend for themselves, and long queues outside banks- it’s going to be horrific
Evo1883
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Well 80% of the original American settlers were from British blood .
They also had the help of France, Spain and the Dutch to win a war against what was actually a small British force tbh at peak was 48,000
Almost under the wheels, hundreds of them , danger of getting sucked into the engine's etc.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Clown world.
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Think we fucked our chances of winning that war pretty early on and the appearance of a french fleet basically swung Yorktown for the yanks and brought the end. From what i remember from my uni days the Russians piled in on us at one point too.
David O'Day
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Also the French and Spanish sniffing around the sugar islands in the West Indies as well help the Americans
David O'Day
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This is the point a force 4 times the size with the best modern equipment just refused to fight,
Even the Taliban are shocked at what has happened
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Not sure if anyone has seen this, but I thought this article was quite interesting on how the Afghan army essentially dissolved.
www.aljazeera.com
How this stuff was ignored when factored into the withdrawal plans is shocking.
Why did the Afghan army disintegrate so quickly?
The billions spent by the US and NATO on the Afghan military could not fix major internal flaws.
How this stuff was ignored when factored into the withdrawal plans is shocking.
clint van damme
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Not sure if anyone has seen this, but I thought this article was quite interesting on how the Afghan army essentially dissolved.
Why did the Afghan army disintegrate so quickly?
The billions spent by the US and NATO on the Afghan military could not fix major internal flaws.
How this stuff was ignored when factored into the withdrawal plans is shocking.
It's quite incredible.
Similar ro Iraq where Blair and Bush were warned of the Sunni/Shia schism that would develop post Saddam and totally ignored it.
It's the political equvilant of Saturday when we went into a game of football without a nominated penalty taker. Absolute amateur hour.
skybluetony176
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I see Desmond Swayne and John Redwood are talking absolute bollocks in Parliament again. Redwood being corrected by Teresa May of all people.
derbyskyblue
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Sorry to change tack completely , but i see sunak is after the triple lock pension.
Didnt this do for Theresa May (apart from brexit ) ? Quite a dangerous move sunak could be making here....for him and us.
Didnt this do for Theresa May (apart from brexit ) ? Quite a dangerous move sunak could be making here....for him and us.
skybluetony176
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What! But but Boris lad promised he wouldn’t at the last GE.
Think it makes sense as a one off tweak. Wage growth is currently 7-8% due to Covid. Difficult to ask everyone to tighten belts and then increase pensions by that amount. It’s an anomaly year.
As well as Brexit, think it was the social care proposal that did for May (an issue still to come for the government !)...and just a generally shit manifesto and campaign, which lost her majority
skybluetony176
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We already have one of the worst pensions in Europe, even this “anomaly” year wouldn’t change that. It’s a cop out to “level up”. Barely a month since he made that speech. Clearly just more Boris bluster.