Philosoraptor
Well-Known Member
I would answer but I am too busy spanking someone's ass in a game to reply at the moment.
Another ad hominem.
Yes , we've just recently been on guaranteed hours pay and it's changedTell us more about this;
You are saying Coventry Labour has introduced zero-hour contracts for some of their agency staff?
For the record if anyone is remotely interested I was born in Hillfields from very working class parents and my father died when I was young
I lived in a council house. I was the one person amongst my circle of friends who decided I’m going to university.
When I left there was record unemployment. I hooked ul
With a company and said I’d work for nothing as work experience as I knew they’d then employ me.
I was the only graduate in a very hourly paid environment in Jaguar and I was ridiculed every day
Didn’t care as I knew I’d do better and then got employed as a bottom grade analyst in marketing. Then I said I’d work any hours they wanted me to work - often I’d go in at 7 am and leave at 10 pm
I got 3 promotions in 4 years and then privately educated all my children.
I honestly think a Thatcher society provided a work and succeed attitude and if I’d been in a Kinnock led government i would be as angry as many on here
Yes , we've just recently been on guaranteed hours pay and it's changed
Not saying anymore, although it's shit I still want the job and I don't want to lose it
Don't know who dwells on here
Ah yes Mr Cruddas the ultimate leftie who mysteriously managed to fund through parliamentary expenses a second home in Notting Hill so he could send his children to one of the most successful state schools (faith school though as he’s clearly very Roman Catholic) in the country
And fair play to you for this. I just wonder whether you’d have the same opinion if you had put the work in and not secured promotions off the back of it - would you have put this down to your own failings or would you think “I’ve been taken for a ride here”? Rhetorical question, not expecting an answer but intriguing as a bit of a ‘sliding doors’ moment.
Who knows? Possibly as I say there’s a large slice of luck - there always is
I know a fair few people from very average beginnings who’ve significantly enhanced their “status” - a couple who are practically in the millionaire bracket who’ve got zero qualifications but a high ethic to achieve
Really what I’m trying to do is explain why people don’t vote for a party like Labour. It’s a dinosaur concept. A lot of people will ask the question as to how is this party going to make me get out of drudgery and into the middle classes - it is a concept politically that lacks ambition and is jaded
I don’t think forums like this work for political discussion. If you believe this thread you assume most people would vote labour - that’s clearly not true it’s just most people can’t be bothered to enter a discussion - especially those on the “winning” side
The constant undertone that working class people who vote Tory are thick and I’m really clever so you listen to me isn’t a great sales Pitch either
Who knows? Possibly as I say there’s a large slice of luck - there always is
I know a fair few people from very average beginnings who’ve significantly enhanced their “status” - a couple who are practically in the millionaire bracket who’ve got zero qualifications but a high ethic to achieve
Really what I’m trying to do is explain why people don’t vote for a party like Labour. It’s a dinosaur concept. A lot of people will ask the question as to how is this party going to make me get out of drudgery and into the middle classes - it is a concept politically that lacks ambition and is jaded
I don’t think forums like this work for political discussion. If you believe this thread you assume most people would vote labour - that’s clearly not true it’s just most people can’t be bothered to enter a discussion - especially those on the “winning” side
The constant undertone that working class people who vote Tory are thick and I’m really clever so you listen to me isn’t a great sales Pitch either
If Brexit had been totally resolved before 2019 there was no way the Tories would have an 80 seat majority. They would have been the largest party still, and may have gotten a very small majority on their own.
Equally G there are many more who work extremely hard and get nowhere. Or as is the case must then ask for handouts at a food bank which seems to be a 2010+ phenomenon unless I’m mistaken. Employment today is less secure and more temporary than it was in the past and a full time job does not offer the financial security it used to, so what is the answer?
Most of my friends are lifelong Tory voters. One is an Asian lad who in seriousness says he would favour immigration policies that keep people like him out of the country. Others vote for them in the belief they’ll get lower taxes despite recognising that the party gives bigger breaks to people much wealthier than them. I don’t really know what you’re meant to say in reply to oxymoronic voters like that.
In any case with the impending collapse of the Union there’ll soon be a place to go more in line with the values I prefer
With hindsight, losing Stoke-On-Trent Central and Mansfield was a warning shot to the Labour Party in 2017. Two Labour strongholds since the 1920-30s flipped to Conservative.
Brexit sped up a process that has been happening since around 2005.
There won’t be a collapse of the Union - prepare for more disappointing times
With hindsight, losing Stoke-On-Trent Central and Mansfield was a warning shot to the Labour Party in 2017. Two Labour strongholds since the 1920-30s flipped to Conservative.
Brexit sped up a process that has been happening since around 2005.
If Labour lose Hartlepool it won’t be because ‘of’ Brexit. It’ll be parachuting in a staunch remainer that was all over the PV policy with no connect to the area whatsoever.If Labour lose Hartlepool Ian will still blame Brexit
If Labour lose Hartlepool it won’t be because ‘of’ Brexit. It’ll be parachuting in a staunch remainer that was all over the PV policy with no connect to the area whatsoever.
That’s a fair comment, so why was the general decline in ‘red wall’ seats that had been happening over the last 25 years start to reverse in 2017?With hindsight, losing Stoke-On-Trent Central and Mansfield was a warning shot to the Labour Party in 2017. Two Labour strongholds since the 1920-30s flipped to Conservative.
Brexit sped up a process that has been happening since around 2005.
Who knows... you’d have thought that kind of behaviour is fair game in the Tory world.Won’t it be the previous MP being naughty
That’s a fair comment, so why was the general decline in ‘red wall’ seats that had been happening over the last 25 years start to reverse in 2017?
Irish unity and Scottish independence before the decade is up, at least one of them if not both.
British workers 'among worst idlers', suggest Tory MPs
Many British employees "prefer a lie-in to hard work", a group of Conservative MPs claims as they call for measures to boost productivity.www.bbc.co.uk
The party of the working people. They will be happy when the work houses return.
Weird isn't it?Truss, Raab and Patel, now idolised by the very people they insulted. This country
British workers 'among worst idlers', suggest Tory MPs
Many British employees "prefer a lie-in to hard work", a group of Conservative MPs claims as they call for measures to boost productivity.www.bbc.co.uk
The party of the working people. They will be happy when the work houses return.
Weird isn't it?
They say they are going to kick immigrants harder though don't they so that's good enough for quite a few.They seem to get off on it, it is weird you're right
And here we are again. Rather than ask why Labour fail time and time again, it's all the fault of the electorate, the bunch of stupid, racist wankers.
There is a certain luck involved, but then I have no real issue with people who've worked for it, earning their rewards - a friend of mine earns vastly more than me but, given the hours he puts in, I'm not surprised. People gaining money through hard work is somewhat different as well, then people being born into a life of privilege and seeking to ensure they keep that advantage. The Majors, and even Thatchers of this world, I can admire on a personal level for how they made something of themselves, even if I despise the politics. It's harder with some of the others however... and is an interesting cultural shift as well - there was a time that, although slightly patronising, the Tory grandees of the '50s and '60s felt it was their duty to govern and yes, even support people in their own way - I see less and less of the supporting now - it's demonising, and playing on fears. That's irresponsible.Possibly as I say there’s a large slice of luck - there always is
Corbyn did run a good campaign in 2017. The next election... not so good a campaign.That’s a fair comment, so why was the general decline in ‘red wall’ seats that had been happening over the last 25 years start to reverse in 2017?
Have you read the thread?
I've posted several times saying I accept the criticism of Labour, as have others, but what we've asked is whatis the attraction for the working class of voting tory?
And the answer that appears to have been concluded is, the tory voting working class are a bunch of stupid, racist wankers.
Can't help themselvesAnd here we are again. Rather than ask why Labour fail time and time again, it's all the fault of the electorate, the bunch of stupid, racist wankers.
Because they don't want to vote for identity politics , they don't want to vote for the people that keep telling them how bad they are and how privileged they are , they don't want to align themselves with all the middle class activists on social media that call them bigoted Gammon flag shaggers day in day out ...Can't you answer the question?
Labour does not appeal to the working class snymore, but why do they vote tory?
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